Of course throwing f bombs and intentional meanness and clear trolling shouldn't be tolerated, but there are many that go to F16 and get offended if they are called racist, communist, or overly sensitive.....and some that just go to F16 to troll.Player To Be Named Later said:
Of course I would. But I could probably pull it off without throwing f-bombs and such at them. I'd point out their racist tendencies and be done with them..... but that's me.
So it is like the flu after all
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Please keep up the posts, Aurelius. You've taught me a great deal about this virus, and I know I speak for many others. Ignore the nonsense as much as you can. I know that's easier said than done - I've found myself taking long breaks from TexAgs in the past for just that reason. I among others am really interested in reading about what you are seeing in terms of presentation and treatment responses out there on the front lines.Marcus Aurelius said:
What I dislike is the absolute dichotomy of opinions on here of the danger of this virus. On one side - the "Karens" as so affectionately termed on forum 16. Socially distanced quarantined to the max. Never go in public. Mask. Gloves. Fear. On the other side. It's a cold. No worse than the common flu. The economy is wrecked. Fauci is a fool. Health care workers are self-aggrandizing because they want to look like heroes.
The truth IMO? Somewhere in the middle.
It's time to start opening up the country safely. I'm hopeful for remdisivir and the other IL-6 inhibitors. Bummed about HCQ.
I will say as this thing plays out. It preys on the elderly frail. For sure. I saw some younger sick as crap folks in the beginning. Seems like most nursing home, dialysis, rehab patients now. Feel for those folks and those working at those places. Nightmare.
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Marcus Aurelius said:
What I dislike is the absolute dichotomy of opinions on here of the danger of this virus. On one side - the "Karens" as so affectionately termed on forum 16. Socially distanced quarantined to the max. Never go in public. Mask. Gloves. Fear. On the other side. It's a cold. No worse than the common flu. The economy is wrecked. Fauci is a fool. Health care workers are self-aggrandizing because they want to look like heroes.
The truth IMO? Somewhere in the middle.
It's time to start opening up the country safely. I'm hopeful for remdisivir and the other IL-6 inhibitors. Bummed about HCQ.
I will say as this thing plays out. It preys on the elderly frail. For sure. I saw some younger sick as crap folks in the beginning. Seems like most nursing home, dialysis, rehab patients now. Feel for those folks and those working at those places. Nightmare.
Thanks Doc
Agree in the middle
johnnyblaze36 said:Well that explains a lot. Did you even watch the video in the OP? I haven't seen you state any opinions of it in this thread.Player To Be Named Later said:
I haven't watched ANY form of news in close to a month and it made life so much better. This forum WAS a great place to get information from physicians who had great real world insight about the virus, minus the politics and fighting. That has changed and now it is predominantly a mud slinging fest and not an enjoyable place to be.
Agreed about M&W...... TexAgs is just mirroring society however.
Do you agree, disagree, or just have hurt feelings because some people on a message board are not up to your level of civility?
edit: You also owe me an apology for saying I called all of the physicians on here "liars" when I did no such thing. And then you want to talk about toxicity? Go wash your hands and then look in the mirror.
HarleySpoon said:
As for F16......if it bothers you, don't go there. The Old Rivalries forum bothers me, I don't think I've clicked on that thing in over four or five years. But, the Old Rivalries folks do their thing as they should. Let those folks do their thing and you do yours.
The difference is Old Rivalries tends to stay on Old Rivalries. Politics Board posters and their posting style have been increasingly encroaching on other boards for a while now. And I say that as a somewhat regular Politics Board poster.
John Francis Donaghy said:HarleySpoon said:
As for F16......if it bothers you, don't go there. The Old Rivalries forum bothers me, I don't think I've clicked on that thing in over four or five years. But, the Old Rivalries folks do their thing as they should. Let those folks do their thing and you do yours.
The difference is Old Rivalries tends to stay on Old Rivalries. Politics Board posters and their posting style have been increasingly encroaching on other boards for a while now. And I say that as a somewhat regular Politics Board poster.
The posting "style" is of the 2020's. Welcome.
The problem with this virus is that it is both deadly and benign at the same time...
OP youtube ER docs are missing this point.
Yes, the older frail and compromised individuals are high risks for COVID 19 but...this doesn't explain a few young and middle age dying from COVID 19 infection with seeming no previous medical preconditions. Yes, most deaths are older typical nursing home patients but there are enough reports of relatively not yet olds coming down and suffering mightly.
This is certainly not like the common flue.
OP youtube ER docs are missing this point.
Yes, the older frail and compromised individuals are high risks for COVID 19 but...this doesn't explain a few young and middle age dying from COVID 19 infection with seeming no previous medical preconditions. Yes, most deaths are older typical nursing home patients but there are enough reports of relatively not yet olds coming down and suffering mightly.
This is certainly not like the common flue.
All I ever wanted was for everyone to consider the economic AND health ramifications.
Some of the backlash against doctors (and seriously, nobody is mad at the local Aggie docs doing Gods work, we're talking about the "experts" who were pushing data and getting play in the media) is due to the quick and rash decisions that were made as we were told to trust the experts. Some of us consider ourselves pretty savvy in business and economics. Our voices were not given the time of day while we warned what would happen if we went down this path and didn't take a more logical and measured approach. This board and forum 16 had people shouting down any opinion that wasn't favorable of closing businesses and sheltering in place. Then the goalposts started moving and the timeline kept getting extended, all while the data wasn't supporting it.
Now, we are finding out that the experts in the medical world didn't have all the data (some of us said this from the start) and were off by quite a lot. In the meantime, we are racing towards 20% unemployment and an unprecedented economic crisis.
The people mad are mad at those who's guidance and decisions have affected their lives. They lash out on a message board because they can't in real life. Don't let it ruffle your panties. In the end, everyone here would be cool as a cucumber tailgating at an Aggie game with anyone else from Texags.
Some of the backlash against doctors (and seriously, nobody is mad at the local Aggie docs doing Gods work, we're talking about the "experts" who were pushing data and getting play in the media) is due to the quick and rash decisions that were made as we were told to trust the experts. Some of us consider ourselves pretty savvy in business and economics. Our voices were not given the time of day while we warned what would happen if we went down this path and didn't take a more logical and measured approach. This board and forum 16 had people shouting down any opinion that wasn't favorable of closing businesses and sheltering in place. Then the goalposts started moving and the timeline kept getting extended, all while the data wasn't supporting it.
Now, we are finding out that the experts in the medical world didn't have all the data (some of us said this from the start) and were off by quite a lot. In the meantime, we are racing towards 20% unemployment and an unprecedented economic crisis.
The people mad are mad at those who's guidance and decisions have affected their lives. They lash out on a message board because they can't in real life. Don't let it ruffle your panties. In the end, everyone here would be cool as a cucumber tailgating at an Aggie game with anyone else from Texags.
Player To Be Named Later said:
I think most can agree there's a difference between "challenging beliefs" and being straight up trashy to people. What if I told you that it's possible to exchange differing beliefs with other people without name calling and belittling?
Great post. I wish we could keep this forum to one of intellectual discussion and reasoned debate on the facts. It is possible to do this without resorting to name calling (coronabro, Karen, idiot, etc.). Let's leave that to the other board and keep this one as a respectful one. I don't think anyone minds having ideas that they present questioned or challenged as long as it is done in a factual way without personal attacks. If someone does come at you with a personal attack, just ignore it, flag it if appropriate, and move on. Hopefully the moderators will remove them and we can keep this board pleasant. We want the physicians to continue to post here and bring us their insights from the front lines.
Good post. Peoples lively hoods have got to start being a higher priority.
I will be ignored, Ol RVag, and I'm fine with that. I don't expect everyone on this website with an AgTag to be a stand up citizen and apologize for their slander and outright lie about me.Old RV Ag said:johnnyblaze36 said:Well that explains a lot. Did you even watch the video in the OP? I haven't seen you state any opinions of it in this thread.Player To Be Named Later said:
I haven't watched ANY form of news in close to a month and it made life so much better. This forum WAS a great place to get information from physicians who had great real world insight about the virus, minus the politics and fighting. That has changed and now it is predominantly a mud slinging fest and not an enjoyable place to be.
Agreed about M&W...... TexAgs is just mirroring society however.
Do you agree, disagree, or just have hurt feelings because some people on a message board are not up to your level of civility?
edit: You also owe me an apology for saying I called all of the physicians on here "liars" when I did no such thing. And then you want to talk about toxicity? Go wash your hands and then look in the mirror.
Do you have any thoughts on the video in the OP or did you just come in here to post the lamest gif you could find?
Player to be Named Later should feel ashamed. If people want rational discussion on this board then they should be able to comment on the OP and not lie about other posters.
As for my opinion, the physicians in the OP are spot on and support many of the other studies we are seeing across the nation. I'd be glad to start a new thread with five of them to start but it seems that many here think that type of thing belongs on F16 only. Which is, well, you know...
When one of the most pro-economy administrations in history makes a decision/suggestion to shut things down, why would people assume that no thought was given to the economic side of things?
I think some of these posts are actually a perfect example of why you get so much tribalism and competitiveness among diverging view points. People are entering the discussion with the assumption that they are more informed than the "opposing side" and that they are wrong because "the other side" isn't considering Y and Z -- only X.
If you assume a viewpoint opposite of yours is uninformed, then no amount of discourse is going to change that. Having a diverging opinion on F16 is akin to trying to make a case for the longhorns or baylor on the football forums, or the Rangers/Astros on the opposite team's dedicated thread. It doesn't matter what your arguments or facts are, you're going to get shouted down.
Which is fine when it comes to that specific team or topic staying on it's dedicated thread/forum. But when you get this spillover into other forums it's damn near impossible for those without that tribal mentality to have any kind of conversation. As another poster mentioned above -- there's plenty of posters who are able to "turn it off" when they leave their respective discussion ground and return to a normal discourse... But there's also plenty who aren't able to do that.
I think some of these posts are actually a perfect example of why you get so much tribalism and competitiveness among diverging view points. People are entering the discussion with the assumption that they are more informed than the "opposing side" and that they are wrong because "the other side" isn't considering Y and Z -- only X.
If you assume a viewpoint opposite of yours is uninformed, then no amount of discourse is going to change that. Having a diverging opinion on F16 is akin to trying to make a case for the longhorns or baylor on the football forums, or the Rangers/Astros on the opposite team's dedicated thread. It doesn't matter what your arguments or facts are, you're going to get shouted down.
Which is fine when it comes to that specific team or topic staying on it's dedicated thread/forum. But when you get this spillover into other forums it's damn near impossible for those without that tribal mentality to have any kind of conversation. As another poster mentioned above -- there's plenty of posters who are able to "turn it off" when they leave their respective discussion ground and return to a normal discourse... But there's also plenty who aren't able to do that.
It is a symptom. "Politics" itself has been invading all forms of communication and information for years now, and there has been practically no refuge from it since the election of an unpopular, yet celebrity President in 2016. In the old days we had something called "news" where journalists would make an effort to go find things that were either interesting, or that the public needed to know and required gathering and verifying all of this information, and then coming up with a treatment which generated interest for the audience.John Francis Donaghy said:HarleySpoon said:
As for F16......if it bothers you, don't go there. The Old Rivalries forum bothers me, I don't think I've clicked on that thing in over four or five years. But, the Old Rivalries folks do their thing as they should. Let those folks do their thing and you do yours.
The difference is Old Rivalries tends to stay on Old Rivalries. Politics Board posters and their posting style have been increasingly encroaching on other boards for a while now. And I say that as a somewhat regular Politics Board poster.
"News" has been disappearing for years. It has been replaced by commentary. Its no longer important to find something that has happened, and tell the public about what it is and why it is important. Instead most information we are able to obtain just comes from a news organization getting together a cast of characters who no longer do any of that expensive gathering and verifying of information, but are specialists only in the treatment part, and even then its not about picking the treatment that would be most important to the public, but just having someone say something, many times the more inflammatory the better. Even better if you can add more people who then disagree with the first person. Producing content where writers or screen entertainers just argue about events which can just gathered up from either the free dregs of the internet or just referencing one of the few souls who are still trying to investigate and find information is practically free compared to actually having to pay someone to do all of the investigating, reimbursing their costs and travel and everything you'd have to do if you actually had a staff who's job was to find the news.
So now we live in an age where Sportscenter is basically dead, having been mostly replaced by PTI, First Take, Around the Horn, etc. This has happened in "real world news" as well. It was happening before then, but since 2016, all news is political. It seems like the easiest way to get people riled up and engaged with your "news" has been to have political opinions. So all news we see now is politically charged. Hurricanes and tornadoes? Earthquakes? The news opinion turns the story to politics. Sports? Increasingly political. Entertainment and celebrity events and news? Lets get their opinions on politics. And on and on.
At one time 5+ years ago, my twitter timeline was almost all related to local Houston news, Weather, Racing, Soccer, College Football, College Basketball, Baseball, famous authors of books I liked, friends I knew in real life and Texas A&M reporters and just random A&M related folks. It was an amazingly fast way to find out information on most all of these topics in real time. Who I follow basically hasnt changed all that much, but now, instead of 95% of my feed being about all those topics, it is like at least 70% commentary about politics. The soccer writers talk politics, my friends and random people from A&M constantly comment on and retweet Donald Trump, or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, if you followed someone like Clay Travis at some point because he might say something interesting about SEC football now and then, what you get now is all basically anti-establishment political commentary, either his own, or constantly commenting on what he views as politically charges commentaries in mainstream sports news.
Basically outside of our own little worlds and our families, or anything we do where we avoid or dont have to consume any media about it, politics has invaded every aspect of life. Coronavirus and COVID-19 is no different. Go to CNN, or Fox News, or the BBC even and look at their stories, headlines and news about COVID-19. All news is political news. Yeah there's this epidemic, but what about whats really important..."Here is what happened, what is Donald Trump doing and saying about it!" "What is Boris Johnson doing and saying about X!" "What are house Democrats doing and saying!" So we either want everything fed to us via convenient ideological prisms, or we are being trained to. I dont know, but it seems to be getting worse all the time, and not just on message boards.
Well said.
Very difficult for public, anonymous message boards to moderate themselves. The owner has do that. If moderators are not stepping in, then presumably ownership is okay with what is taking place.
It's crazy, isn't it? What's happened to news reporting and discourse?
What's sad to me is that media has modified people, people have taken on the personality of how information is presented to them. Quickest with a quip, a belittling name, all in the name of "winning" the opinion battle. I don't think most hyper-political people realize they've been controlled and puppetized in this way. It's unintentional and been gradual, but here we are.
I assume the media outlets involved in this would just say we gave the people what they wanted, what they consumed - THE PEOPLE controlled/puppetized US. It's interesting, but things are vastly different than they used to be and I'm not sure why drives it, from a societal psychology perspective.
What's sad to me is that media has modified people, people have taken on the personality of how information is presented to them. Quickest with a quip, a belittling name, all in the name of "winning" the opinion battle. I don't think most hyper-political people realize they've been controlled and puppetized in this way. It's unintentional and been gradual, but here we are.
I assume the media outlets involved in this would just say we gave the people what they wanted, what they consumed - THE PEOPLE controlled/puppetized US. It's interesting, but things are vastly different than they used to be and I'm not sure why drives it, from a societal psychology perspective.
Flu or not the flu ... its about to become real clear that we gleefully burned our lifeboats on this deal by voluntarily wrecking the economy.
I think we are going to see a run on meat this week and people losing their minds over food shortages / unavailability over the next months / years.
The shockwaves from this debacle are gonna take years to settle out.
I think we are going to see a run on meat this week and people losing their minds over food shortages / unavailability over the next months / years.
The shockwaves from this debacle are gonna take years to settle out.
I think a lot of people in the administration and on this message board were giving a lot of thought to the economic ramifications. A lot of people in the administration and on this message board have lost a lot as a result of this virus, including the President himself and his ownership stake in his many hotels.mazag08 said:
All I ever wanted was for everyone to consider the economic AND health ramifications.
...
The people mad are mad at those who's guidance and decisions have affected their lives. They lash out on a message board because they can't in real life. Don't let it ruffle your panties. In the end, everyone here would be cool as a cucumber tailgating at an Aggie game with anyone else from Texags.
I still don't think it was appropriate for you to talk down to people who disagree with you and infer that they are feeble minded children and people with your view points were the only adults in the room. We're almost all Aggies on this board and that stuff should be out of bounds on this forum.
Candidly, that stuff shouldn't be so prevalent on any forum, but especially not here. I know you will say it is harmless and I shouldn't be such a "snow flake" and to not get my "panties in a wad", but I think it's fair to say we could and should treat each other as if we were face to face at a tailgate, not anonymous keyboard assassins.
I think a lot of posters on this website don't fit into that dichotomy.Quote:
What I dislike is the absolute dichotomy of opinions on here of the danger of this virus. On one side - the "Karens" as so affectionately termed on forum 16. Socially distanced quarantined to the max. Never go in public. Mask. Gloves. Fear. On the other side. It's a cold. No worse than the common flu. The economy is wrecked. Fauci is a fool. Health care workers are self-aggrandizing because they want to look like heroes.
Sure, there's some of that. But what I hate more about this website and general society is assuming the worst intentions.
Same thing happens with the media. Most media isn't very different. There's a lot of great reporters out there doing the same great reporting that's been done for decades and decades. Some media has changed. But much has not. But people consume media through a different filter, and assume the worst intentions.
I think that was the point.TXAggie2011 said:I think a lot of posters on this website don't fit into that dichotomy.Quote:
What I dislike is the absolute dichotomy of opinions on here of the danger of this virus. On one side - the "Karens" as so affectionately termed on forum 16. Socially distanced quarantined to the max. Never go in public. Mask. Gloves. Fear. On the other side. It's a cold. No worse than the common flu. The economy is wrecked. Fauci is a fool. Health care workers are self-aggrandizing because they want to look like heroes.
Sure, there's some of that. But what I hate more about this website and general society is assuming the worst intentions.
Same thing happens with the media. Most media isn't very different. There's a lot of great reporters out there doing the same great reporting that's been done for decades and decades. Some media has changed. But much has not. But people consume media through a different filter, and assume the worst intentions.
Most posters don't fit into that split, but any lean towards one is characterized by the opposing side as not caring a bit about the other concern.
what happened to the video in the OP? YouTube says it was removed for violating terms of service. ???
update; just flipped on the news and they were talking about YouTube taking down this viral video. YouTube CEO apparently says that anything that goes against the WHO recommendations violates their policy and will be removed.oh no said:
what happened to the video in the OP? YouTube says it was removed for violating terms of service. ???
Sounds like censorship.
On FOX just announced that YouTube just jerked the video because it violated some rule. Basically the doctors hit a nerve. It's called TRUTH!
Gig'em, Ole Army Class of '70
Oh boy. Starting to appear that the two "doctors" in the video are just two guys who own an urgent care clinic and not certified physicians
https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/
https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/
Mark Fairchild said:
On FOX just announced that YouTube just jerked the video because it violated some rule. Basically the doctors hit a nerve. It's called TRUTH!
I know you do want to believe this. Hell I wish it were true. But it isn't.
They are real doctors and own urgent care clinics. Those arent mutually exclusive.TxAG#2011 said:
Oh boy. Starting to appear that the two "doctors" in the video are just two guys who own an urgent care clinic and not certified physicians
https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/
There are disagreements regarding Covid medical and economic impacts among people, doctors are people, and there are probably half a million plus doctors in America alone. Pointing to one or two doctors and saying they have the right answer is foolish. We should also rely on doctors trained specifically in this field also, and not wellness doctors.
Most all the decisions being made based upon non-peer reviewed medical data. That alone has inherent bias just like their statements may have been. Seems like a rather slanderous statement coming out in that release.TxAG#2011 said:
Oh boy. Starting to appear that the two "doctors" in the video are just two guys who own an urgent care clinic and not certified physicians
https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/
is the WHO still recommending against masking?
TxAG#2011 said:
Oh boy. Starting to appear that the two "doctors" in the video are just two guys who own an urgent care clinic and not certified physicians
https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/
They condemn them for being reckless with non peer reviewed opinion. What a joke of a statement.
This would be the ultimate TexAgs COVID board response. I can see the high fives flying.
The sad part is the "real" doctors and "scientists" have gotten it wrong much of the way. Doctors are also not qualified to make judgment calls where the balance of wrecking the economy vs keeping everyone on lock down is in question.
AgResearch said:Most all the decisions being made based upon non-peer reviewed medical data. That alone has inherent bias just like their statements may have been. Seems like a rather slanderous statement coming out in that release.TxAG#2011 said:
Oh boy. Starting to appear that the two "doctors" in the video are just two guys who own an urgent care clinic and not certified physicians
https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/
Premium said:TxAG#2011 said:
Oh boy. Starting to appear that the two "doctors" in the video are just two guys who own an urgent care clinic and not certified physicians
https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/
The sad part is the "real" doctors and "scientists" have gotten it wrong much of the way. Doctors are also not qualified to make judgment calls where the balance of wrecking the economy vs keeping everyone on lock down is in question.
You do realize this is a NOVEL coronavirus, yes? Something WE have not seen before, correct? All those stupid doctors and scientists making mistakes on something they don't even know what they are dealing with. Well gosh, shame on them. How ****ing could they. Must be so ****ing easy to get right the first time.
Such an idiotic and shameless response. Both the medical and scientific community have moved at speeds we couldn't have imagined before this began. Vaccine trials beginning against a pathogen we didn't even know existed four months ago? That's an incredible human achievement few, like yourself, realize. The medical community has come up with new guidelines on treatment in the span of weeks that improve survival once patients reach ICU. We have numerous trials ongoing of drug candidates to a disease we didn't know about at the beginning of the year.
Have there been failures? Science is 90% failure. Of course there is failure. That's how the scientific process works. We're working with a virus that causes a disease we don't even fully understand.
But sorry we couldn't get it right the first for ya.
Meanwhile while all this work and discovery is ongoing, we are keeping infections down, deaths down and not overrunning our hospital system while we devise new treatments and protocols. Every day/week we are better understanding how to tackle this.
So you can take your damn BS about doctors and scientists failing elsewhere.
You are building up arguments I'm not making, to tear them down. Also conflating two topics, while avoiding the one at hand. Literally 80-90% of your post avoids the topic except for the first paragraph.Ranger222 said:Premium said:TxAG#2011 said:
Oh boy. Starting to appear that the two "doctors" in the video are just two guys who own an urgent care clinic and not certified physicians
https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/
The sad part is the "real" doctors and "scientists" have gotten it wrong much of the way. Doctors are also not qualified to make judgment calls where the balance of wrecking the economy vs keeping everyone on lock down is in question.
You do realize this is a NOVEL coronavirus, yes? Something WE have not seen before, correct? All those stupid doctors and scientists making mistakes on something they don't even know what they are dealing with. Well gosh, shame on them. How ****ing could they. Must be so ****ing easy to get right the first time.
Such an idiotic and shameless response. Both the medical and scientific community have moved at speeds we couldn't have imagined before this began. Vaccine trials beginning against a pathogen we didn't even know existed four months ago? That's an incredible human achievement few, like yourself, realize. The medical community has come up with new guidelines on treatment in the span of weeks that improve survival once patients reach ICU. We have numerous trials ongoing of drug candidates to a disease we didn't know about at the beginning of the year.
Have there been failures? Science is 90% failure. Of course there is failure. That's how the scientific process works. We're working with a virus that causes a disease we don't even fully understand.
But sorry we couldn't get it right the first for ya.
Meanwhile while all this work and discovery is ongoing, we are keeping infections down, deaths down and not overrunning our hospital system while we devise new treatments and protocols. Every day/week we are better understanding how to tackle this.
So you can take your damn BS about doctors and scientists failing elsewhere.
That 10-20% make my point. Here we have doctors, an entire organization, calling out two specific doctors for not being legit, because they had no peer reviewed data - - there is no peer reviewed data.... yet these doctors are singled out. Makes zero sense.
mazag08 said:
All I ever wanted was for everyone to consider the economic AND health ramifications.
Some of the backlash against doctors (and seriously, nobody is mad at the local Aggie docs doing Gods work, we're talking about the "experts" who were pushing data and getting play in the media) is due to the quick and rash decisions that were made as we were told to trust the experts. Some of us consider ourselves pretty savvy in business and economics. Our voices were not given the time of day while we warned what would happen if we went down this path and didn't take a more logical and measured approach. This board and forum 16 had people shouting down any opinion that wasn't favorable of closing businesses and sheltering in place. Then the goalposts started moving and the timeline kept getting extended, all while the data wasn't supporting it.
Now, we are finding out that the experts in the medical world didn't have all the data (some of us said this from the start) and were off by quite a lot. In the meantime, we are racing towards 20% unemployment and an unprecedented economic crisis.
The people mad are mad at those who's guidance and decisions have affected their lives. They lash out on a message board because they can't in real life. Don't let it ruffle your panties. In the end, everyone here would be cool as a cucumber tailgating at an Aggie game with anyone else from Texags.
This is where I'm at. Quarantine the vulnerable, open up the country to those not vulnerable. Obviously some personal responsibility is required for this.
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