My oldest son has day camp next week at T bar M and I have zero concerns. The overnight sports camp is what got shut down this week. The emails I have been getting from them with information has been fantastic.
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Bring itamercer said:
I don't blame anyone for sending their kids to camp. I would have sent my daughter if the one up here didn't close. But you better be prepared for the **** storm if there is a big outbreak. Families that can afford 4 week fancy camps in the hill country make a really easy target for ridicule and scorn.
my daughter is at T Bar M Camp Travis this week- the teenagers camp in Spicewood. One week camp. I have zero concerns. At drop off and at pick up, we can't even get out of the car. Takes 10 minutes start to finish. I think that's a good thing, btw.
I feel the same way about camps as I do all this other stuff..summer youth sports, off season, etc. If you don't feel safe sending your kid, don't send them. I do, however, and alot of us do.
I feel the same way about camps as I do all this other stuff..summer youth sports, off season, etc. If you don't feel safe sending your kid, don't send them. I do, however, and alot of us do.
CowtownAg06 said:
I think reason is that there has yet to be a camper or staff hospitalized out of any of these. I also think that all of these camps are being very responsible with reporting and even shutting down earlier than they "need" too.
To the poster who thinks it's a bad idea... camps are actually doing a ton of social distancing relative to normal. It's not risk free, but I think they mitigate as best they can.
Kanakuk has had 5000 kids attend already this summer.
The hospitalization rate for kids under the age of 17 was 3.7 per 100,000. (Using this week's figure)
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_3.html
The odds that any one camper in that population would end up in the hospital to this point was 1.85% at 95% C.I.
Using BETA.INV function in excel.
Beta may not be the best way to model the risk, but it is more aggressive than other methods so I would consider it worst case? Using more traditional stats I think you could make an argument that the odds that any one out of 5000 campers end up in hospital at about 0.25%.
I agree, I was just commenting on why camps having some cases hasn't been a news story.
What about kids that have had Covid and now have the antibodies - could they all be put together with other "survivors"? Including counselors that are back after recovering?
apologies, didn't mean to @ you with that.CowtownAg06 said:
I agree, I was just commenting on why camps having some cases hasn't been a news story.
Does anyone know if Abbott's new mandate affects sleepaway camps? My kids go on Sunday.
Our YMCA camp cancelled for tomorrow and next week due to a counselor with a positive test. This week was fine until today, but last week had been cancelled as well. Doesn't bode well for Fall school if they also will shut everything down if one teacher or support staff test positive.
Dropped my daughter off at Camp Mystic yesterday and she is excited. I am happy for her and have no concerns. This is the centerpiece of her year and I would hate to see her robbed of it as a casualty of this Covid-19 insanity.
It's questionable if the mask order would apply to summer camps. The EO states everyone should wear a face covering "when inside a commercial entity or other building or space open to the public, or when in an outdoor space, wherever not feasible to maintain 6 feet of social distance."
I'm not a lawyer, but I believe since summer camps operate on private property that aren't "open to the public" they might be exempted?
I'm not a lawyer, but I believe since summer camps operate on private property that aren't "open to the public" they might be exempted?
smc05 said:
Does anyone know if Abbott's new mandate affects sleepaway camps? My kids go on Sunday.
I believe another poster previously posted a link. Summer camps seem to be exempt but reread what he posted earlier.
DuncanAg said:
It's questionable if the mask order would apply to summer camps. The EO states everyone should wear a face covering "when inside a commercial entity or other building or space open to the public, or when in an outdoor space, wherever not feasible to maintain 6 feet of social distance."
I'm not a lawyer, but I believe since summer camps operate on private property that aren't "open to the public" they might be exempted?
My nieces are Camp Mystic campers and they are required to wear masks much more than I had originally assumed they would have to. My nieces have these Camp Mystic masks that look more like gaiters to me. Probably easier for the younger girls to wear.
My son is finishing up Space Camp today. They had a graduation ceremony last night, and they streamed it to You Tube, so I was able to watch.
Camp is in AL, and I'm in TX, so obviously, I'm not there, but everything I've seen and heard from my son and his dad is that they did a great job of distancing the kids.
There couldn't have been more than 30 kids in his age group this week (IDK what the usual numbers are, but I get the impression that's a really low number). When they introduced the kids at graduation, most of them were from the AL/FL/GA/MS/LA region.
The kids wore masks all week, and shots from the graduation streaming showed the kids seated the appropriate distance from each other.
My son had a fantastic time and wants to go back. I've had no concerns for his safety. He had do go visit his dad, so he was going to be in the area anyway. It had been almost a month since he flew there, and he'd had no symptoms. Given the small number of kids at camp and the precautions they took, I think he was as safe there as anywhere. Obviously, we will keep an eye on him and make sure he doesn't develop any symptoms.
Short of another lockdown (which I do NOT support), I think what I've described above is about as good as it gets (whether we're talking about summer camp or going back to work). So, while my son hasn't spent the entire summer social distancing, I think what we have chosen to do has been socially responsible.
Obviously, we could have chosen to cancel completely, but given that he was healthy when he went, all attendees were willing to take the same risk as we were (no one was forced to attend), the camp did their part, and we are going to watch him closely for any symptoms, I don't think anyone outside of our immediate family will be at risk due to our choice (and I don't even think we are really at risk).
Camp is in AL, and I'm in TX, so obviously, I'm not there, but everything I've seen and heard from my son and his dad is that they did a great job of distancing the kids.
There couldn't have been more than 30 kids in his age group this week (IDK what the usual numbers are, but I get the impression that's a really low number). When they introduced the kids at graduation, most of them were from the AL/FL/GA/MS/LA region.
The kids wore masks all week, and shots from the graduation streaming showed the kids seated the appropriate distance from each other.
My son had a fantastic time and wants to go back. I've had no concerns for his safety. He had do go visit his dad, so he was going to be in the area anyway. It had been almost a month since he flew there, and he'd had no symptoms. Given the small number of kids at camp and the precautions they took, I think he was as safe there as anywhere. Obviously, we will keep an eye on him and make sure he doesn't develop any symptoms.
Short of another lockdown (which I do NOT support), I think what I've described above is about as good as it gets (whether we're talking about summer camp or going back to work). So, while my son hasn't spent the entire summer social distancing, I think what we have chosen to do has been socially responsible.
Obviously, we could have chosen to cancel completely, but given that he was healthy when he went, all attendees were willing to take the same risk as we were (no one was forced to attend), the camp did their part, and we are going to watch him closely for any symptoms, I don't think anyone outside of our immediate family will be at risk due to our choice (and I don't even think we are really at risk).
DuncanAg said:
It's questionable if the mask order would apply to summer camps. The EO states everyone should wear a face covering "when inside a commercial entity or other building or space open to the public, or when in an outdoor space, wherever not feasible to maintain 6 feet of social distance."
I'm not a lawyer, but I believe since summer camps operate on private property that aren't "open to the public" they might be exempted?
I read the proclamation and it only amended the previous order, keeping exemptions for certain events like religious gatherings and summer camps. Summer camp is on!
My kids go to The Pines in Big Sandy, TX and they just cancelled our week that was supposed to start this Sunday because of multiple campers and counselors testing positive.
Just received an email that a day camp I had both my kids signed up for in August has decided to cancel and do a virtual camp.
Ultimately 41 positives out of K2. Yikes.
culdeus - it looks like that number will go up, unfortunately. Kids are developing symptoms after leaving camp.
culdeus said:
Ultimately 41 positives out of K2. Yikes.
I think more of these larger camps are going to have something like this.
Maybe not to that scale, but enough to close some more. People at the beginning are careful, and become more careless as time goes on. Keep adding in new kids each week or every other week, especially the HS age, and it is going to happen.
I'd be interested in knowing how many cabins or whatever groupings they are in are represented.
Iowaggie said:culdeus said:
Ultimately 41 positives out of K2. Yikes.
I think more of these larger camps are going to have something like this.
Maybe not to that scale, but enough to close some more. People at the beginning are careful, and become more careless as time goes on. Keep adding in new kids each week or every other week, especially the HS age, and it is going to happen.
I'd be interested in knowing how many cabins or whatever groupings they are in are represented.
The vector for K2 was two counselors. The kids that had exposure to them were the central element to it all. I haven't heard where they feel the two counselors pulled it in from.
So far none of the other kanakuk camps have had even one case.
Getting sort of third hand reports that the staff was slow to manage the two cases because they were not campers. There are changes upcoming. In theory I drop mine off there Saturday. We've been on a tight lockdown since last weekend.
I'm not super scared about them getting sick. It's inevitable. They will survive. Feel like it's far less likely they give it to someone older, unlike school where we plan on just rolling the dice with older teachers.
TbarM just emailed and they are shutting the day camp down for the next two sessions due to leadership getting a positive and other staff showing symptoms. Had the choice to refund, reschedule to next year or reschedule to a later session. Crossing my fingers I can get him into later session.
Kanakuk all but cancelled the rest of K2
My 17 and 14 year old daughters both went to Pine Cove In Tyler 2 weeks ago for a week. High School camp (Shores) was the most well attended since it opened 22 years ago.
Zero issues for either camp. I know Timbers shut down this week due to multiple Counselors getting it and bringing it.
Zero issues for either camp. I know Timbers shut down this week due to multiple Counselors getting it and bringing it.
Gig'Em and God Bless,
JB'91
JB'91
The Pines canceled their remaining July and August sessions.
Know someone who's kid got sick after returning from the pines. They immediately got her tested when she was symptomatic and sure enough was C+. His kid felt bad for a couple of days but no fever. Kid is over it but the parents are anxiously waiting to start feeling bad. I sent him Reveille's vitamin recommendations.
Ended up pulling the plug at Kanakuk altogether. Have minimal confidence they can rally from here.
Found two spots in another place that hasn't had a single issue all summer yet.
Found two spots in another place that hasn't had a single issue all summer yet.
Does anyone know what happened with Camp Ozark? Sounds like they had a situation this session but can't seem to determine exactly what.
Starting week 2 at Camp Honey Creek, so far no cases or symptoms from anyone at camp. They are treating each cabin as a family unit, no masks in cabins or on cabin only activity. Anything outside of that and masks required, my daughter only complaint is the mask tan lines!
Easy come, Easy go
K2 case count now 82.
I'll say it again this is very bad news for high schools as K2 is somewhat unique in they have mostly all older kids. In some cases two full years older after other camps even let you come.
I'll say it again this is very bad news for high schools as K2 is somewhat unique in they have mostly all older kids. In some cases two full years older after other camps even let you come.
Camp Ozark closed their current session early and my son will no longer be going to his session that was starting on Sunday. Sounds like they had some positive tests. I told my son the news yesterday and he was heartbroken. He was so pumped to go. They are hoping to get kids back in a few weeks for shorter one week sessions.
Kanakuk made People magazine:
https://people.com/health/missouri-summer-camp-sees-dozens-infected-with-coronavirus-as-outbreak-raises-safety-concerns/
And CNN with Kanakuk and Ozark
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/us/missouri-arkansas-summer-camp-covid-19-trnd/index.html
https://people.com/health/missouri-summer-camp-sees-dozens-infected-with-coronavirus-as-outbreak-raises-safety-concerns/
And CNN with Kanakuk and Ozark
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/us/missouri-arkansas-summer-camp-covid-19-trnd/index.html
This is not a post to downplay Covid... but,
I know camps had to send campers home and close due to Swine Flu whatever year that was. This is not totally unprecedented and don't think it belongs in CNN.
I know camps had to send campers home and close due to Swine Flu whatever year that was. This is not totally unprecedented and don't think it belongs in CNN.
I also don't think it's a huge deal BUT if schools or classrooms are going to have to shut down for each positive case it does show that it's going to be more difficult to keep kids physically in school.
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