Abbott closing bars, reducing restaurant capacity

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Yeah, this is ALL just because of the media.

Abbott just sat down, spent 30 minutes watching FOX, 30 minutes watching CNN, and 30 minutes reading Internet media and made his decision.

I'm sure he has zero input and real numbers coming his way from professionals that aren't in the media.

Are you saying the Houston Hospital Exec are wrong? Because clearly Abbott didn't listen to them, and instead shut down part of their business

If he has some special data, sure would be nice if he shared it instead of BS statements about 5K w/o details behind it.
Perhaps he data and details isn't all that positive and he's trying to just institute these measures without going into the data that he has access to. It's possible the data that drove him to making these decisions just sucks and he's trying not to panic folks even further.

There's likely way more that goes in to this than most of us consider. Pretty positive Abbott and Lt Dan don't want to tank businesses any more than they absolutely have to.


Do you really think that when the CEOs of all the major hospitals said there were no capacity issues. Maybe it's on them for not providing more detailed data to the Governor and the public but they basically stated that it is normal for their ICUs to run at 70% to 80% capacity and 70% of the ICU patients were non COVID patients. If I were them I would start putting out detailed data daily.
I've said all along that there is blame to be passed out pretty much everywhere with this thing.

This entire thing has pretty much been an epic disaster across the board. It's really kinda scary just how little a modern society seems to be able to address this. And the fact that our society is so utterly and completely divided isn't helping.
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In reply to HowdyTexasAggies • 11:49a, 6/26/20
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Yep, this will be the final nail for bars and businesses that were just barely hanging on. Hopefully there are lawsuits coming soon and maybe our Supreme Court can save them like Wisconsin's did

Why? What should happen instead? We tried the 'everyone please be responsible' approach and look where we are.

Where exactly are we? A media driven fear mongering frenzy.
You can look to the TMC website to see where we are.


Our clinics in East Texas are seeing significant increase in COVID19+ patients over the last week. We're also starting to see positive staff, unfortunately.
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11:54a, 6/26/20
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If people use common sense, this probably doesn't happen. There's a large group of very selfish people who refuse to take any precautions. Kind of ironic that those people who most likely didn't support the first shutdown are causing another one.

I just don't understand why it's such a big deal to be careful. You can still live your life.
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So that leaves 30% capacity for surging Covid cases?

Does it matter what reason those beds are currently 70% full for? Seems to me that what is more important is how much availability there is for this surge.
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The hospital executives did not contradict Abbott when they said there was capacity. In Houston, "normal ICU capacity" has been met at 100%. They have excess "sustainable surge capacity" that can be used now. However, at the current growth of hospitalizations in Houston, that sustainable surge capacity will be exceeded in 12 days according to the TMC. Therefore, they are making action to try to avoid that scenario. Hospital executives are trying to project confidence in the medical systems and to not scare people away, but they are also the ones who signed the letter warning people that this is getting worse and that they should take precautions.

You are ignoring every single bit of evidence that does not align with your pre-conceived beliefs.


Like 70% of ICU patients are non COVID patients?

So? That's still COVID causing them to be at capacity
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The hospital executives did not contradict Abbott when they said there was capacity. In Houston, "normal ICU capacity" has been met at 100%. They have excess "sustainable surge capacity" that can be used now. However, at the current growth of hospitalizations in Houston, that sustainable surge capacity will be exceeded in 12 days according to the TMC. Therefore, they are making action to try to avoid that scenario. Hospital executives are trying to project confidence in the medical systems and to not scare people away, but they are also the ones who signed the letter warning people that this is getting worse and that they should take precautions.

You are ignoring every single bit of evidence that does not align with your pre-conceived beliefs.

Did the hospital execs tell Abbott to shut down elective surgery? Are you saying they can't manage themselves in the face of their data?
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 12:03p, 6/26/20
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Does it matter what reason those beds are currently 70% full for? Seems to me that what is more important is how much availability there is for this surge.
Absolutely yes because it would tell us what areas we can push/pull to open up more ICU capacity during this inevitable surge. If all of the ICU were from elective surgeries you slow down certain elective surgeries. If they are all from auto accidents maybe enact curfews and ask business to have more WFH.

These EOs don't allow for much compromise or flexibility. Give the people and businesses on the ground the ability and opportunity to make good choices instead of this top down approach from people with political axes to grind.
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Ok, so I don't really know how that works.... but seems like ICU beds filling up due to "elective" surgeries is kinda high.

I get that a lot of elective surgeries aren't just minor cosmetic surgeries, but how many of them put you in ICU afterwards? Aren't a lot of them things like gall bladder removals, etc? If your surgery was so serious that you had to go straight to ICU, that hardly seems very "elective" and much more of a medically necessary surgery
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The hospital executives did not contradict Abbott when they said there was capacity. In Houston, "normal ICU capacity" has been met at 100%. They have excess "sustainable surge capacity" that can be used now. However, at the current growth of hospitalizations in Houston, that sustainable surge capacity will be exceeded in 12 days according to the TMC. Therefore, they are making action to try to avoid that scenario. Hospital executives are trying to project confidence in the medical systems and to not scare people away, but they are also the ones who signed the letter warning people that this is getting worse and that they should take precautions.

You are ignoring every single bit of evidence that does not align with your pre-conceived beliefs.


Like 70% of ICU patients are non COVID patients?
That's the point SoupNazi! People don't stop being sick from other things, people still get cancer and heart attacks. If the hospitals fill up to an unsustainable amount from COVID patients, then it puts everybody at additional risk. Not to mention that the highly contagious virus does infect healthcare workers and takes them off the front lines. Throughout April and May only 4-5% of ICU beds were being occupied by COVID patients, so this recent trend in hospitalizations is driving the problem.
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In reply to HowdyTexasAggies • 12:12p, 6/26/20
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If any of that is true, its why no one trusts anything the government says. This goes all the way back to Fauci, he's flip flopped over and over Data is tainted, presented in misleading manners.

The current hospitalization numbers are tainted and being used to create fear.

You have posted that you don't believe the media. You don't believe Fauci. And the hospital numbers are tainted to create fear. Do you have any data that you DO believe. I would suggest that your ignoring critical facts and experts is not helpful to you, those you love, and the general population.
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 12:12p, 6/26/20
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So that leaves 30% capacity for surging Covid cases?

Does it matter what reason those beds are currently 70% full for? Seems to me that what is more important is how much availability there is for this surge.
It absolutely does matter. One percentage can be managed by the people who run the industry that's being affected and the other percentage can't.

If the hospitals stopped all elective procedures yesterday and they could discharge most of the non COVID beds in 3 days, maybe to drop their current capacity percentage of 70% to 40%. That's huge to know. It's not the ideal way they would want to operate, but they can manage who they're knowingly putting into those ICU beds.

I'm not saying they still won't get overrun regarding current increase in cases, but damn, them saying they're on the verge of being at complete capacity is a little artificial when they could decrease that 70% themselves.


By the way - please don't make this into I don't think the current increases aren't an issue. I'm just responding to you asking why it matters what the reason for the 70% current capacity is.
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12:14p, 6/26/20
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I can say from first hand experience it is absolutely crazy to try to get a test in Houston right now.


I can say from my first hand experience that you are wrong. I have been tested three times since December, the first time by my Dr when it was eventually determined that my problem was caused by "...a sh** load of allergies hitting you at the same time." Those are his exact words BTW. The last two I have done on my own simply because I want to make sure I am not carrying anything. Look around, look at the county health department website or call the state health department. Call CVS and make an appointment. However, I will say that here in Harris County, more testing locations are setup outside Bltwy 8 and south than there are for the balance of the area; I'll give you that. I live in Gleannloch Farms and the two locations I visited on my own were both in The Woodlands. Getting tested is free and even though I have insurance, the locations didn't take the info. If you want to get tested just for grins so to speak, you can get tested. Believe me. Make an appointment and go. Again, Im just speaking for Metro-Houston; for DFW, SAT, AUS or ELP I cant comment.

Wear your mask, do your social distancing and dont do stupid things; you'll probably be OK.
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In reply to HowdyTexasAggies • 12:16p, 6/26/20
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OlSarge92 said:
HotardAg07 said:
The hospital executives did not contradict Abbott when they said there was capacity. In Houston, "normal ICU capacity" has been met at 100%. They have excess "sustainable surge capacity" that can be used now. However, at the current growth of hospitalizations in Houston, that sustainable surge capacity will be exceeded in 12 days according to the TMC. Therefore, they are making action to try to avoid that scenario. Hospital executives are trying to project confidence in the medical systems and to not scare people away, but they are also the ones who signed the letter warning people that this is getting worse and that they should take precautions.

You are ignoring every single bit of evidence that does not align with your pre-conceived beliefs.

Did the hospital execs tell Abbott to shut down elective surgery? Are you saying they can't manage themselves in the face of their data?
Stop moving the goal posts. You are claiming that this is a media driven hoax. I have gone way out of my way to post not just hospital data but actual ER doctor's quotes to show the contrary and you have ignored it all. This is not a media driven hoax.

I don't want another lock down, in fact i am sickened by the thought of it. That's why I want people to take the virus seriously and take the necessary precautions so that the government doesn't have to get involved. People claiming this is a media driven hoax are part of the problem, not the solution.
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In reply to monarch • 12:19p, 6/26/20
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I can say from first hand experience it is absolutely crazy to try to get a test in Houston right now.


I can say from my first hand experience that you are wrong. I have been tested three times since December, the first time by my Dr when it was eventually determined that my problem was caused by "...a sh** load of allergies hitting you at the same time." Those are his exact words BTW. The last two I have done on my own simply because I want to make sure I am not carrying anything. Look around, look at the county health department website or call the state health department. Call CVS and make an appointment. However, I will say that here in Harris County, more testing locations are setup outside Bltwy 8 and south than there are for the balance of the area; I'll give you that. I live in Gleannloch Farms and the two locations I visited on my own were both in The Woodlands. Getting tested is free and even though I have insurance, the locations didn't take the info. If you want to get tested just for grins so to speak, you can get tested. Believe me. Make an appointment and go. Again, Im just speaking for Metro-Houston; for DFW, SAT, AUS or ELP I cant comment.

Wear your mask, do your social distancing and dont do stupid things; you'll probably be OK.
Do you realized that things have changed recently in Houston?

My wife came down with symptoms. Yesterday we decided to try to get her a test. CVS was out of appointments at all their drive thru locations, as was Walgreens, Walmart, UMMC, and all of the locations on the Houston emergency portal http://houstonemergency.org/covid-19-testing. The soonest we could get scheduled for a test on any of those sites was January 30th.

My friend got tested last weekend at a drive through site. He waited in line for 6 hours to get a test.

We ended up getting tested at a local urgent care and paying in cash. For us, it only took 1 hour after getting an appointment. I know other people who sat at Urgent Cares for 4 hours to get a test.
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I always said the biggest key to have the best outcomd was we needed to limit the spread. That's an evolving, data driven approach. It's depressing that we couldn't even get close to figuring it out due to the selfishness and ignorance of a lot of society.

Now we're here and only have ****ty options. We're well past the point we can ignore COVID's impact on our healthcare system, unfortunately. Every day this trend continues decreases the odds that things we want, things that benefit society, can happen any time soon on a sustainable basis. The virus doesn't care about your business or how tired you are of this whole ordeal. Maybe now that it's not "just NYC" we can take common sense measures to limit the spread of this virus. Just depressing we had to learn this lesson at least twice.
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In reply to 75AG • 12:24p, 6/26/20
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OlSarge92 said:
If any of that is true, its why no one trusts anything the government says. This goes all the way back to Fauci, he's flip flopped over and over Data is tainted, presented in misleading manners.

The current hospitalization numbers are tainted and being used to create fear.

You have posted that you don't believe the media. You don't believe Fauci. And the hospital numbers are tainted to create fear. Do you have any data that you DO believe. I would suggest that your ignoring critical facts and experts is not helpful to you, those you love, and the general population.

Why would you believe the media? Why would you believe Fauci? The hospital number include hospitalization that are not there for Covid, that is a fact confirmed by state health officials.

They are sharing no details about the make-up of the people in ICU or the hospitalizations. That is creating fear and panic in low risk age groupings that should not be fearful.
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OlSarge92 said:
HotardAg07 said:
The hospital executives did not contradict Abbott when they said there was capacity. In Houston, "normal ICU capacity" has been met at 100%. They have excess "sustainable surge capacity" that can be used now. However, at the current growth of hospitalizations in Houston, that sustainable surge capacity will be exceeded in 12 days according to the TMC. Therefore, they are making action to try to avoid that scenario. Hospital executives are trying to project confidence in the medical systems and to not scare people away, but they are also the ones who signed the letter warning people that this is getting worse and that they should take precautions.

You are ignoring every single bit of evidence that does not align with your pre-conceived beliefs.

Did the hospital execs tell Abbott to shut down elective surgery? Are you saying they can't manage themselves in the face of their data?
Stop moving the goal posts. You are claiming that this is a media driven hoax. I have gone way out of my way to post not just hospital data but actual ER doctor's quotes to show the contrary and you have ignored it all. This is not a media driven hoax.

I don't want another lock down, in fact i am sickened by the thought of it. That's why I want people to take the virus seriously and take the necessary precautions so that the government doesn't have to get involved. People claiming this is a media driven hoax are part of the problem, not the solution.

You are still ignoring my point. Abbott shut down elective surgery, that wasn't necessary. The hospitals could do that on their own.

There is no question the media is driving a frenzy and to state otherwise is disingenuous.
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In reply to HowdyTexasAggies • 12:32p, 6/26/20
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OlSarge92 said:
HotardAg07 said:
OlSarge92 said:
HotardAg07 said:
The hospital executives did not contradict Abbott when they said there was capacity. In Houston, "normal ICU capacity" has been met at 100%. They have excess "sustainable surge capacity" that can be used now. However, at the current growth of hospitalizations in Houston, that sustainable surge capacity will be exceeded in 12 days according to the TMC. Therefore, they are making action to try to avoid that scenario. Hospital executives are trying to project confidence in the medical systems and to not scare people away, but they are also the ones who signed the letter warning people that this is getting worse and that they should take precautions.

You are ignoring every single bit of evidence that does not align with your pre-conceived beliefs.

Did the hospital execs tell Abbott to shut down elective surgery? Are you saying they can't manage themselves in the face of their data?
Stop moving the goal posts. You are claiming that this is a media driven hoax. I have gone way out of my way to post not just hospital data but actual ER doctor's quotes to show the contrary and you have ignored it all. This is not a media driven hoax.

I don't want another lock down, in fact i am sickened by the thought of it. That's why I want people to take the virus seriously and take the necessary precautions so that the government doesn't have to get involved. People claiming this is a media driven hoax are part of the problem, not the solution.

You are still ignoring my point. Abbott shut down elective surgery, that wasn't necessary. The hospitals could do that on their own.

There is no question the media is driving a frenzy and to state otherwise is disingenuous.
I have used nothing but information from the hospital system and from doctors on this board for my arguments why the situation is serious and needs to be addressed. I don't watch cable news or pay attention much to the media. There is enough evidence, whilst ignoring the media entirely, to be concerned about the coronavirus spread in Houston. I have posted the evidence. You just run away and move the goal posts to a new argument.
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In reply to HowdyTexasAggies • 12:32p, 6/26/20
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75AG said:
OlSarge92 said:
If any of that is true, its why no one trusts anything the government says. This goes all the way back to Fauci, he's flip flopped over and over Data is tainted, presented in misleading manners.

The current hospitalization numbers are tainted and being used to create fear.

You have posted that you don't believe the media. You don't believe Fauci. And the hospital numbers are tainted to create fear. Do you have any data that you DO believe. I would suggest that your ignoring critical facts and experts is not helpful to you, those you love, and the general population.

Why would you believe the media? Why would you believe Fauci? The hospital number include hospitalization that are not there for Covid, that is a fact confirmed by state health officials.

They are sharing no details about the make-up of the people in ICU or the hospitalizations. That is creating fear and panic in low risk age groupings that should not be fearful.
I believe Fauci because he (and his team) are the world's leading experts in virus and pandemics. I believe the media because I read, watch, and listen to numerous sources to narrow-down the truth. I am intelligent enough to understand there is no "great scheme" trying to undo our economy, but rather trying to protect the lives of innocent people who don't deserve to die. And giving that information to people should never be considered a scare tactic. And I'm informed enough to know that the largest number of infected people are those currently believed to be in low risk groups, who very likely can and will pass this virus to those in higher-risk groups.

Finally, the data is there and public about the percentages of ICU beds for both COVID-19 and non-COVID-19 patients. Just this morning, CBS news reporting on ICU beds in the Texas Medical Center reported that 70+% were non-COVID related. The information is out there.
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In reply to HowdyTexasAggies • 12:33p, 6/26/20
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It's also disingenuous to act like this is all just because of the media.

Are they behaving irresponsibly over this? Sure. But our society as a whole is also absolutely acting irresponsibly as well. When you sit here and just harp on the media while ignoring how foolishly a lot of people have acted just is being biased.
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"I believe Fauci because he (and his team) are the world's leading experts in virus and pandemics. "

We'll just have to disagree. He's flip flopped on many occasions.

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So the goalpost move today is the makeup of the ICU is not covidey enough?
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monarch said:
I can say from first hand experience it is absolutely crazy to try to get a test in Houston right now.


I can say from my first hand experience that you are wrong. I have been tested three times since December, the first time by my Dr when it was eventually determined that my problem was caused by "...a sh** load of allergies hitting you at the same time." Those are his exact words BTW. The last two I have done on my own simply because I want to make sure I am not carrying anything. Look around, look at the county health department website or call the state health department. Call CVS and make an appointment. However, I will say that here in Harris County, more testing locations are setup outside Bltwy 8 and south than there are for the balance of the area; I'll give you that. I live in Gleannloch Farms and the two locations I visited on my own were both in The Woodlands. Getting tested is free and even though I have insurance, the locations didn't take the info. If you want to get tested just for grins so to speak, you can get tested. Believe me. Make an appointment and go. Again, Im just speaking for Metro-Houston; for DFW, SAT, AUS or ELP I cant comment.

Wear your mask, do your social distancing and dont do stupid things; you'll probably be OK.
Do you realized that things have changed recently in Houston?

My wife came down with symptoms. Yesterday we decided to try to get her a test. CVS was out of appointments at all their drive thru locations, as was Walgreens, Walmart, UMMC, and all of the locations on the Houston emergency portal http://houstonemergency.org/covid-19-testing. The soonest we could get scheduled for a test on any of those sites was January 30th.

My friend got tested last weekend at a drive through site. He waited in line for 6 hours to get a test.

We ended up getting tested at a local urgent care and paying in cash. For us, it only took 1 hour after getting an appointment. I know other people who sat at Urgent Cares for 4 hours to get a test.


I have friends in houston who simply gave up trying to get tested because it was almost impossible to schedule an appointment at one of the testing sites.
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OlSarge92 said:
"I believe Fauci because he (and his team) are the world's leading experts in virus and pandemics. "

We'll just have to disagree. He's flip flopped on many occasions.

It's a novel virus. We haven't seen the virus before and no one, including the world's leading experts, knows exactly how the virus will react or mutate. So, we listen to the people who have studied and prepared for pandemics their entire lives.

Also, I would like to know what you think he's "flip flopped" on.
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 12:53p, 6/26/20
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It's also disingenuous to act like this is all just because of the media.

Are they behaving irresponsibly over this? Sure. But our society as a whole is also absolutely acting irresponsibly as well. When you sit here and just harp on the media while ignoring how foolishly a lot of people have acted just is being biased.
I don't disagree, but goodness the leadership has been really poor. You cannot absolve personal responsibility, but leadership is way more important than you are giving credit for here.

Just today, in the Harris County stay home work safe advisory, Judge Hidalgo said she was going to ban all outdoor events in Harris County of over 100 people, even with masks.

This is just after the city of Houston basically had hand in the organization of the George Floyd funeral where the knew a mass gathering of people would be present.

The apparent research is the protests marginally impacting the increase in cases right now, so why ban outdoor events over 100 people? The two things go completely against each other.

Leadership sets the tone and drives the majority of the way an organization acts. Right now we have leadership which is not being consistent in their messaging, and even speaking one way and acting another.

To me, it's no wonder you have people who reject what their leaders are saying because the leaders aren't being consistent or at least messaging their reasoning well.

Yes, people need to take personal responsibility, but don't hang the entire spike on people who don't want to wear masks either.
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Agree. The entire thing has been a complete mess all the way around.
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You can google that on your own. There is plenty of it to find, its not buried.
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75AG said:
OlSarge92 said:
"I believe Fauci because he (and his team) are the world's leading experts in virus and pandemics. "

We'll just have to disagree. He's flip flopped on many occasions.

It's a novel virus. We haven't seen the virus before and no one, including the world's leading experts, knows exactly how the virus will react or mutate. So, we listen to the people who have studied and prepared for pandemics their entire lives.

Also, I would like to know what you think he's "flip flopped" on.
Don't panic.
Do panic.
No need to wear a mask.
Must wear a mask.
Sports are okay.
No sports.
Super spreaders.
Asymptomatic may not spread as much.
Kids should go back to school.
We should do online schools.


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In reply to HotardAg07 • 1:17p, 6/26/20
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SoupNazi2001 said:
HotardAg07 said:
The hospital executives did not contradict Abbott when they said there was capacity. In Houston, "normal ICU capacity" has been met at 100%. They have excess "sustainable surge capacity" that can be used now. However, at the current growth of hospitalizations in Houston, that sustainable surge capacity will be exceeded in 12 days according to the TMC. Therefore, they are making action to try to avoid that scenario. Hospital executives are trying to project confidence in the medical systems and to not scare people away, but they are also the ones who signed the letter warning people that this is getting worse and that they should take precautions.

You are ignoring every single bit of evidence that does not align with your pre-conceived beliefs.


Like 70% of ICU patients are non COVID patients?
That's the point SoupNazi! People don't stop being sick from other things, people still get cancer and heart attacks. If the hospitals fill up to an unsustainable amount from COVID patients, then it puts everybody at additional risk. Not to mention that the highly contagious virus does infect healthcare workers and takes them off the front lines. Throughout April and May only 4-5% of ICU beds were being occupied by COVID patients, so this recent trend in hospitalizations is driving the problem.

Here you go.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/texas-government-counting-every-covid-positive-hospital-case


A couple quotes for you:

"Lindsey Rosales, a spokeswoman for the Texas Department of State Health Services, confirmed to Just the News this week that the state is categorizing every inpatient in the state with a positive COVID-19 test as a COVID-19 hospitalization.


"The number of hospitalized patients includes patients with a lab-confirmed case of COVID-19 even if the person is admitted to the hospital for a different reason," Rosales said.

The number of hospitalizations are "being misinterpreted," said Houston Methodist CEO Marc Boom, "and, quite frankly, we're concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now."
"We do have the capacity to care for many more patients, and have lots of fluidity and ability to manage," Boom said.

He pointed out that his hospital one year ago was at 95% ICU capacity, similar to the numbers the hospital is seeing today. "It is completely normal for us to have ICU capacities that run in the 80s and 90s," he said. "That's how all hospitals operate."
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None of that is contradicting what I've pointed out. I have repeatedly said that we are at "normal ICU capacity" and that surge capacity is available. I have posted what those numbers look like. I have also said that due to the rapid growing trend, we would be out of sustainable surge capacity in 12 days at this pace -- ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS MEDICAL CENTER, not the media, not a politician..
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None of that is contradicting what I've pointed out. I have repeatedly said that we are at "normal ICU capacity" and that surge capacity is available. I have posted what those numbers look like. I have also said that due to the rapid growing trend, we would be out of sustainable surge capacity in 12 days at this pace -- ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS MEDICAL CENTER, not the media, not a politician..

"Stop moving the goal posts. You are claiming that this is a media driven hoax. I have gone way out of my way to post not just hospital data but actual ER doctor's quotes to show the contrary and you have ignored it all. This is not a media driven hoax."


I just gave you quotes showing my claim regarding the media has merit.
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In reply to HowdyTexasAggies • 1:38p, 6/26/20
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HotardAg07 said:
None of that is contradicting what I've pointed out. I have repeatedly said that we are at "normal ICU capacity" and that surge capacity is available. I have posted what those numbers look like. I have also said that due to the rapid growing trend, we would be out of sustainable surge capacity in 12 days at this pace -- ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS MEDICAL CENTER, not the media, not a politician..

"Stop moving the goal posts. You are claiming that this is a media driven hoax. I have gone way out of my way to post not just hospital data but actual ER doctor's quotes to show the contrary and you have ignored it all. This is not a media driven hoax."


I just gave you quotes showing my claim regarding the media has merit.

You do understand all that you did is post your own media source and assumed that there's no way it could be a media driven hoax?
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Marc Boom, who you quoted, also signed this letter:


It's very clear how he and the other hospital executives who signed this letter feel about the threat of the virus.

Again, I don't want to shut everything down. I want people to take the virus seriously and act responsibly so government doesn't have to step in.
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Again, this is a novel virus. Nothing he has said has in anyway provided more, or less, safety for us all.
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