No large studies showing benefits. There are smaller studies showing decreased transmission rates. Others not very effective. Evidence not overwhelming. But, like so much of this disaster, recommendations are based on best judgement as this is novel. I for one believe they are effective when society as a whole accepts them. See Asia. Not the case here.atag said:
I know there are opinions sprinkled in other posts but I would like to hear informed healthcare educated posts about them. Please and thank you.
You mean like chiropractors.Federale01 said:
Saying "doctors" like they are all equal experts in these areas is a bit of an issue. My dad went to see his Ophthalmologist who told him he didn't think masks were effective and I had to hear about it for days.
Don't claim to be an expert. But. I have read too much about this virus. It dominates my every work day. So. I hope that I'm knowledgeable enough to give ya'll accurate info on here.Federale01 said:
Saying "doctors" like they are all equal experts in these areas is a bit of an issue. My dad went to see his Ophthalmologist who told him he didn't think masks were effective and I had to hear about it for days.
Yep, our City HR has mandated masks inside work spaces unless you are the only one in the room.bigtruckguy3500 said:
Remember, even if society at large refuses to wear masks, smaller organizations can still benefit. If all employees at a business chose to wear it, and one of them gets sick off work, a correctly worn mask will reduce risk of them spreading contagious droplets throughout the business.
My veterinarian riffed on his expert opinion on the futility of masks the other day. Dude, I just need some more heart medicineFederale01 said:
Saying "doctors" like they are all equal experts in these areas is a bit of an issue. My dad went to see his Ophthalmologist who told him he didn't think masks were effective and I had to hear about it for days.
That's because you're still thinking about it wrong. The point of a mask is NOT to stop YOU from breathing in any virus in the air. It's to catch as much droplets/virus as possible coming out of your potentially asymptomatic mouth when you cough, sneeze, or standing within 6ft of someone else.Yukon Cornelius said:
Serious question: How can any rational human being believe/think these masks are beneficial? There is no requirement for material/design/proper use. I see people wearing them with massive holes in the side as it billows from their face. Not likely helping. And material. Have materials been tested and shown to help? People are using just cotton Tshirts and other fabric bought at hobby lobby with zero consideration/design to prevent virus penetration. When I think about it logically the masks dont seem to provide any actual benefit.
I never said anything about me getting it or the user. Penetration works both ways. Old cotton T shirts being repurposed and worn about thinking you are protecting people is utter delusion. Especially when theres no design criteria or proper way to wear them.Player To Be Named Later said:That's because you're still thinking about it wrong. The point of a mask is NOT to stop YOU from breathing in any virus in the air. It's to catch as much droplets/virus as possible coming out of your potentially asymptomatic mouth when you cough, sneeze, or standing within 6ft of someone else.Yukon Cornelius said:
Serious question: How can any rational human being believe/think these masks are beneficial? There is no requirement for material/design/proper use. I see people wearing them with massive holes in the side as it billows from their face. Not likely helping. And material. Have materials been tested and shown to help? People are using just cotton Tshirts and other fabric bought at hobby lobby with zero consideration/design to prevent virus penetration. When I think about it logically the masks dont seem to provide any actual benefit.
This is why Reveille feels they will be worthwhile if we get to 80% of folks wearing masks.
I'm really amazed that people still think mask usage is to prevent YOU from catching anything. That's not the point, and that's been covered ad nauseum. IF a mask was only there to stop you from catching anything, then I'd be 100% in support of voluntary mask usage as it would help be a form of Darwinism. People could feel free to just go catch it and spread to their family if they wished.
atag said:
I know there are opinions sprinkled in other posts but I would like to hear informed healthcare educated posts about them. Please and thank you.
Try spitting/coughing through a shirt. Then try spitting/coughing through air. The shirt isn't perfect, but it takes a certain type of stubbornness to think that putting something over your mouth has no benefit at reducing the spread of respiratory droplets.Yukon Cornelius said:I never said anything about me getting it or the user. Penetration works both ways. Old cotton T shirts being repurposed and worn about thinking you are protecting people is utter delusion. Especially when theres no design criteria or proper way to wear them.Player To Be Named Later said:That's because you're still thinking about it wrong. The point of a mask is NOT to stop YOU from breathing in any virus in the air. It's to catch as much droplets/virus as possible coming out of your potentially asymptomatic mouth when you cough, sneeze, or standing within 6ft of someone else.Yukon Cornelius said:
Serious question: How can any rational human being believe/think these masks are beneficial? There is no requirement for material/design/proper use. I see people wearing them with massive holes in the side as it billows from their face. Not likely helping. And material. Have materials been tested and shown to help? People are using just cotton Tshirts and other fabric bought at hobby lobby with zero consideration/design to prevent virus penetration. When I think about it logically the masks dont seem to provide any actual benefit.
This is why Reveille feels they will be worthwhile if we get to 80% of folks wearing masks.
I'm really amazed that people still think mask usage is to prevent YOU from catching anything. That's not the point, and that's been covered ad nauseum. IF a mask was only there to stop you from catching anything, then I'd be 100% in support of voluntary mask usage as it would help be a form of Darwinism. People could feel free to just go catch it and spread to their family if they wished.
Yukon Cornelius said:
Serious question: How can any rational human being believe/think these masks are beneficial? There is no requirement for material/design/proper use. I see people wearing them with massive holes in the side as it billows from their face. Not likely helping. And material. Have materials been tested and shown to help? People are using just cotton Tshirts and other fabric bought at hobby lobby with zero consideration/design to prevent virus penetration. When I think about it logically the masks dont seem to provide any actual benefit.
You should look into how viruses spread. They don't ride on air molecules, they live in the same kinds of droplets that bacteria do.normaleagle05 said:
Look into the metric system. Scale is fascinating and bacteria are several orders of magnitude larger than what is being discussed.
A lot of folks in the medical community disagree with you.Yukon Cornelius said:I never said anything about me getting it or the user. Penetration works both ways. Old cotton T shirts being repurposed and worn about thinking you are protecting people is utter delusion. Especially when theres no design criteria or proper way to wear them.Player To Be Named Later said:That's because you're still thinking about it wrong. The point of a mask is NOT to stop YOU from breathing in any virus in the air. It's to catch as much droplets/virus as possible coming out of your potentially asymptomatic mouth when you cough, sneeze, or standing within 6ft of someone else.Yukon Cornelius said:
Serious question: How can any rational human being believe/think these masks are beneficial? There is no requirement for material/design/proper use. I see people wearing them with massive holes in the side as it billows from their face. Not likely helping. And material. Have materials been tested and shown to help? People are using just cotton Tshirts and other fabric bought at hobby lobby with zero consideration/design to prevent virus penetration. When I think about it logically the masks dont seem to provide any actual benefit.
This is why Reveille feels they will be worthwhile if we get to 80% of folks wearing masks.
I'm really amazed that people still think mask usage is to prevent YOU from catching anything. That's not the point, and that's been covered ad nauseum. IF a mask was only there to stop you from catching anything, then I'd be 100% in support of voluntary mask usage as it would help be a form of Darwinism. People could feel free to just go catch it and spread to their family if they wished.
I swear...... yes, this is all just one HUGE conspiracy.Yukon Cornelius said:
Alot agree too. Those just get censored.
And what about the humid bacteria environment the masks create behind it that people breathe in while they may unknowingly have compromised lungs? That poses a great danger as well.MouthBQ98 said:
It will slow transmission rates which will protract the epidemic by months or even years but will keep hospitalizations manageable. The question is what are the opportunity costs of a protracted epidemic.
Windy City Ag said:
Went and picked up Mexican food tonight . . .two guys at the bar had masks but not covering their mouths . . . they were hanging from their ears so they could drink their Margaritas. WTF is the point!!!!
Yukon Cornelius said:
Not really. Its human nature. Society is scared and will look to anything that gives them peace. Masks provide that. Governments look for ways to take more control. Theyve done that.
Riddle me this. How is it a good idea that breathing in your own bacteria from your mouth during a time when peoples lungs may be comprised before they know it a good idea?
I'm confused. So are you saying that masks catch droplets that contain bacteria? The same droplets that we think contain the virus?Yukon Cornelius said:And what about the humid bacteria environment the masks create behind it that people breathe in while they may unknowingly have compromised lungs? That poses a great danger as well.MouthBQ98 said:
It will slow transmission rates which will protract the epidemic by months or even years but will keep hospitalizations manageable. The question is what are the opportunity costs of a protracted epidemic.
