I assumed there is a lot of risk avoidance built into the guidance and that it wouldn't unusable if it got to 0c. But I wasn't sure if we were talking minutes, hours or days at injectable temps.

Thanks for the insight

Here is a great video on the vaccine I found very informative and also has dates when FDA is supposed to approve and roll out.

Well, can't agree here.

1. Medical Workers most exposed to the virus and treating those with it. They are at risk for viral load and are on the front lines. We need these folks to be available and not at risk so that they can actually save more lives treating the patients. Plus, they have been through this fight and have the most experience.
2. The elderly in nursing homes and those with serious comorbidities. They are the most likely to overrun the hospitals, and that is the main reason for restrictions and shut downs. As long as our hospitals are not at threat to be overrun, then almost all the mandates and restrictions can be eased or eliminated. This possibly can include masks after a period of time, for those of us ready to never wear these things in public.
3. Those at risk but healthy. Guys like me on immunosurppresants and other medications or have other conditions. While I can wait if need be, many in this class cannot and again, hospitals are at risk way less when these folks are vaccinated. I'd put teachers here as well if they did not already qualify.
4. Everyone else...Kids are very much safe here. Only kiddos who are at risk would be in the #2 bracket.

Duncan Idaho said:

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Who should I believe? You and science with this explaination or the prophecywatch2020 video I was forwarded on nextdoor?

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Spit coffee on this. Needed that this morning.

But I was told the government could now track me if In took the vaccine! I read it on my cell phone (which the government can already track if they need to) while on FB, so it must be true.

Well, apparently Denton County got completely left off of the initial distribution for any of the doses that Texas is receiving.

Like to know who dropped the ball on that one. So who knows when any of the Tier 1 or Tier 2 folks will have the option to get vaccinated in Denton County.

Wow.
Any idea how that happened? State issue or county issue?

What's your source? Texas has 254 counties to serve. What is your expectation?

Our Chief of Police

News report regarding Denton vaccines

"The hospitals are part of systems. My understanding is those systems in some instances ordered vaccine for all the system hospitals," explained Denton County Health Director Dr. Matt Richardson.


It is possible that all the vaccines for a hospital system in the DFW area goes to one location (where they have the ultra cold freezers to store it) and then distributed from there. That location was never going to be in Denton County.

If that is the plan, you could send a daily courier from the central location to the various hospitals with a days worth of vaccine. Has to be stored in the ultra cold freezer, but can be thawed and refrigerated for 24 hrs. So courier just needs a cooler rather than packed in dry ice and hospital just needs a refrigerator.

Plus you could load balance across the system. If only 50% of group A at hospital 1 wants to get the vaccine and 100% of group A at hospital 2 wants the vaccine, better to redistribute more to hospital 2 rather than leaving 25% of group A waiting at hospital 2 while doses for 25% at hospital A sits in the freezer unused.

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Well, apparently Denton County got completely left off of the initial distribution for any of the doses that Texas is receiving.

Like to know who dropped the ball on that one. So who knows when any of the Tier 1 or Tier 2 folks will have the option to get vaccinated in Denton County.

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Maybe they thought denton was in wise county.

It's also worth noting that while UNT is in Denton their main medical school and staff are at UNT Health Science Center which is located in Fort Worth. Being a large medical research arm they have massive storage capability for the vaccine.

Player To Be Named Later said:

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Makes sense. Also seems like even a small level of communication could have explained that to folks ahead of time so they were all on at least the same chapter, if not the same page.

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Was just watching the operation warp speed vaccine summit from yesterday. Mekesson guy said the minimum distribution of Pfizer is 975 doses. Moderna and others will be in 100 dose packages. I assume because of the ultra cold storage requirement for Pfizer making it more efficient to ship a large quantity packed in dry ice than smaller quantities each packed in a similar amount of dry ice.

That also might explain why large hospitals are getting Pfizer this week and some hospital systems consolidated. Better chance of getting a Pfizer box if you consolidate a couple of small hospitals.

I found that interesting, too.

It's why I searched for a little more info. Rarely does a quick snippet contain all the information that's available.

I read somewhere that they can be refrigerated 3-5 days (depending on the vaccine). So that would be huge to getting it into the smaller communities.

And the AstraZeneca vaccine isn't mRNA/liposome based, so I don't think that requires the ultracold transport, so that should be good for the less developed countries that won't have the capability for ultracold transport.

Cactus Jack said:

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There is a lot of concern about mRNA. Some are taking a wait and see approach until more information is available. I had a CNA told me she would never get the vaccine because she believes the Bill Gates conspiracies. Most of my coworkers who are adamantly against it are the ones who would suffer the most if they get it, morbidly obese and older.

A survey was sent out a few weeks ago trying to gauge how many people would be willing to take it, and apparently the percentage was pretty low. The concern is if they made it mandatory a lot of people would quit.

We've been very fortunate in that we have not had significant hospitalizations among our staff and no staff deaths. That probably plays a factor in that most of us don't know people who have been seriously impacted on a personal level. Most of our staff to have gotten that have shaken it off pretty quickly.

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Do you work in a hospital, nursing home, clinic, etc.? J

Hospital.

Hello, Arin Jobe!

You have been prioritized to receive the COVID vaccine being administrated at X. We appreciate your compassion and dedication to our patients, staff and community. Our goal is to get you in and out as efficient as possible in less than 10 minutes. Please click on the button bellow to view the online schedule and reserve available spots within a 30 minute block to receive your vaccination.

We have heard nothing new about vaccination here. As far as I know we still do not have a rollout plan.

The cynical side of me thinks the hospital administrators took the vaccines for themselves and their personal friends. Probably selling the rest on the black market.

Uh. I think it'll be hard for something like this just to "fall off the truck." You've got the strict storage requirements plus agencies keeping tabs on the vaccines.

Here's what initial distribution looks like among the counties and facilities.
https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/news/updates/COVIDVaccineAllocation-Week1.pdf

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Uh. I think it'll be hard for something like this just to "fall off the truck." You've got the strict storage requirements plus agencies keeping tabs on the vaccines.

Here's what initial distribution looks like among the counties and facilities.
https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/news/updates/COVIDVaccineAllocation-Week1.pdf

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Interesting. My sister does therapy in nursing and assisted living facilities so she works with elderly and fragile patients daily. I wonder if she can get vaccinated through these hospital distributions or if everything in that link is only intended for employees of those facilities?

It was a joke.

The Big12Ag said:

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CDub06 said:

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Uh. I think it'll be hard for something like this just to "fall off the truck." You've got the strict storage requirements plus agencies keeping tabs on the vaccines.

Here's what initial distribution looks like among the counties and facilities.
https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/news/updates/COVIDVaccineAllocation-Week1.pdf

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Interesting. My sister does therapy in nursing and assisted living facilities so she works with elderly and fragile patients daily. I wonder if she can get vaccinated through these hospital distributions or if everything in that link is only intended for employees of those facilities?

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I know we won't use up our allotment. Not sure if the policy is for us to return to the state or to act as a local hub for distribution. My guess is due to the deep freeze need that the hospitals would keep the doses and work with county/state to distribute to the next tier.

Methodist Dallas got a shipment this AM and will start roll out today for front line doctors and nurses,

Cactus Jack said:

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It was a joke.

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It's so hard to tell nowadays...