1.6% of Virginia has been vaccinated.

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Only counting 1st dose. Less than 7,000 have received both doses. At this rate, it will take about 5 years to vaccinate everyone.

Was just announced that Phase 1b vaccinations can start so that should accelerate things.

How is your state doing?
Notacoronabro
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Wait two weeks.

It's like people forgot how growth works. We just got a vaccine for a new virus in 8 months.
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Maryland isn't much better.

We need to be at about 3 million shots a day to get this done by summer. It's not looking great.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

Virginia looks to be up to 2.35%, Texas is 3.14%.

I think I saw somewhere that yesterday there was over 1 million shots given in one day. (The tally of Covid vaccine doses administered in the U.S. rose by 1.25 million Monday, a record daily gain amid what's been an otherwise slow rollout of the shots.)

Considering a few weeks ago we were looking at a numbers in the 10's of thousands a day, I think we're making progress in the right direction.
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I like the tracking on there. To get 75% of people immunized you have to get to 150 doses per 100 people though. Getting the J&J shot approved would help that a lot.
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I was actually surprised they opened Virginia up to phase 1b already. There are a ton of people in that category so it should really accelerate things.
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I live in Central Teas and would take the vaccine tomorrow if I could get access to it.

Why can I not get it?
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agsalaska said:

I live in Central Teas and would take the vaccine tomorrow if I could get access to it.

Why can I not get it?


My niece works at a nursing home in Central Texas in the COVID ward and can't get the vaccine.
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agsalaska said:

I live in Central Teas and would take the vaccine tomorrow if I could get access to it.

Why can I not get it?


Make friends with a pharmacist.
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I do Risk and Safety for a medium-size City here in Virginia. I am doing the logistics for our City along with our Emergency Manager with our Fire Department.

The VDH process is a nightmare. I will say those that opted in with Fire/EMS, LEO, and Sheriff's dept will all have their first shot by the 20th. After that, our 1B group is up in the air.

Ex 1B myself, public works, social services, IT, Transit, courts, finance, wastewater, and voter registration could be sometime in February. The problem is politics as usual and who exactly is group 1b.

I get no less than 20 calls or emails saying my staff is 1b because of such and such. However, when I look at their job description they can 100% telework, their office does not work with the general public or their office does not physically see the general public. Of course, they make calls to the City Manager, or the Council or the governors liaison, and I have to explain why they are not 1B or even 1C but a 2 on a good day.

How bad is/was Virginia? The Virginia Supreme Court who oversees all courts in Virginia were left out of first-rounded 1a-c. The Courts had to write a letter informing the governor about due process, the importance of courts to continue to remain open, and that through the pandemic never shut down. Pretty important in terms of the Constitution, so after all that courts are now at 1b.

Secondly, we have thousands of Paramedics that could assist, but the governor declined any sort of medical liability protections for EMS providers in administering the vaccine. But yet training pharm techs to assist or pharmacist who already usually one or two persons per pharmacy. Just slows the process.

Overall, the rollout is poorly run and logistically wrought with political red tape.
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My wife gets first dose today at Petco Park in San Diego. Personally, I think it's dumb she's even eligible, but think most of us would get it if we were. She's a pout 40 and a veterinarian. Meanwhile, teachers aren't getting it yet or her at risk parents.

I suppose anyone getting it is better than no one, but this rollout has been awful by most states.
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The rollout is so terrible that no one should feel like they are jumping the line if they can get it. The only thing that matters now is getting shots in arms. Sure it would be better if those arms were attached to healthcare workers or old people, but the vaccine is more useful in the arm of a 25 year old healthy person than in a vial on the shelf.
The Big12Ag
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We need to do better, but on some level complaining too harshly about this is like when someone who grew up with corded landlines complains about their smart phone being "awful".

This is the largest pandemic in a very long time. Vaccines were developed at a record pace - by far a record. Brand new technology, mRNA vaccines, are being deployed for the first time in history. 27 million doses have been distributed in the US in less than a month, with 10 million doses being given in less than a month.

I would argue it's slower than we want it to be. It does feel like if we had gotten it a month or two earlier, before this spike, it would have made a bigger difference. But at the same time, I think the US has done quite well and is leading the world in pushing the vaccine deployment and getting it to it's citizens.
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Is this a supply issue, or a getting shots into arms issue?
amercer
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Some things we've done well, others not so much.

Getting a vaccine made in 8 months was damn near a miracle. Not spending those 8 months figuring out how to get it to people was a colossal failure.
oneeyedag
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KlinkerAg11 said:

Is this a supply issue, or a getting shots into arms issue?


My feeling is a shot in the arm issue. My wife works at UVa Medical Center, they have vacccines. They actually went through the triage process of frontline workers etc.. They are at the point now, where nursing and physicians are either done or have declined and they're now opening up to general staff.
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One data point, but out in rural Texas vaccine supply is the issue. We've had 300 total doses sent to our county so far in batches of 100 and administered all of them within 1-2 days of receipt. We are currently just sitting around waiting for more with no timetable for shipments. Several nearby communities haven't received any doses at all.

Apparently the new focus in Texas is giant metropolitan vaccine megacenters. Makes sense since that's where things are worst and that's were all the people are. Just means our rural population isn't reaching herd immunity any time soon
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The rollout is so terrible that no one should feel like they are jumping the line if they can get it. The only thing that matters now is getting shots in arms. Sure it would be better if those arms were attached to healthcare workers or old people, but the vaccine is more useful in the arm of a 25 year old healthy person than in a vial on the shelf.
This x1 bazillion. Don't ever feel like you're taking a vaccine from someone else or don't deserve it. If you have the opportunity to get, take it and don't feel guilty about it.
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Does anyone know if they are reserving vaccine for folks to get their 2nd dose or if it will be a free for all competing with folks getting their first?

Not as concerned for myself but my mom and aunts/uncles are high risk and were vaccinated over the weekend.
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Israel at 21%
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amercer said:

Some things we've done well, others not so much.

Getting a vaccine made in 8 months was damn near a miracle. Not spending those 8 months figuring out how to get it to people was a colossal failure.


How do we know they weren't prepared or that they maybe had to audible their original plan?

Remember, we are barley a month over Pfizer approval and not even a month from Modena approval.

Ramp up in the beginning will always be slow. Always. There will always be snags in the beginning. Always. No matter the prep.

I think one doc on this forum said we've recently started administering 1MM shots a day, so we're ramping up.

I'm not defending any roll out plan or saying we couldn't have done better. But I do think it is wise to remember we are barely a month out from approval of both vaccines and we've never had the need to distribute a vaccine this quickly, at least not for a long while, so some speed bumps are to be expected.
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I guess I'm a bit confused by some of the numbers. I thought we needed to hit a vaccinated / infected rate of about 50- 60% in order for the disease to die out. About 7% has been infected to date, which means we need 43-53% of the population to get vaccines. Where is the 75% number Fauci is quoted as saying being necessary for herd immunity coming from?
GAC06
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The CDC recently estimated that 91 million Americans had been infected by Nov 30th. If that's accurate, that plus vaccinations plus spring weather could dramatically reduce deaths and cases in a few months.
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95 year old father was told he is still 4 weeks out.
DCAggie13y
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GAC06 said:

The CDC recently estimated that 91 million Americans had been infected by Nov 30th. If that's accurate, that plus vaccinations plus spring weather could dramatically reduce deaths and cases in a few months.


I heard this as well. About 30% have been infected. We need ~150M vaccinations to reach 75%.
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The number needed for herd immunity to slow cases also depends somewhat on community spread. At the rate we are going right now vaccinating people isn't going to help much.

Hopefully we come down from the current peak soon, and then the vaccine on top of that means we never go back up.
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If 91 million was accurate as of Nov 30th, that meant roughly 4-5 to 1 infections to documented cases. Based on how many new cases we're seeing now, we may easily exceed 1/3rd. Using that very rough ratio, the 200-300k daily new cases reported may really be over a million a day
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You can't add the number of people infected to the number of people vaccinated to get an estimate of how many people will have immunity for the purposes f herd immunity. People who have had the virus are getting the vaccine same as everyone else.
GAC06
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Correct but I bet infections are higher with younger people and vaccinations are largely starting with older people
DCAggie13y
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Why not?
oneeyedag
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After much back and forth with our EMS medical director, the Fire Chief, myself, city attorney and VDH we finally have an MOU to allow our EMT Intermediates and Paramedics to administer vaccines in our health district. This should help speed things up quite a bit in the next week or two.
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oneeyedag said:

After much back and forth with our EMS medical director, the Fire Chief, myself, city attorney and VDH we finally have an MOU to allow our EMT Intermediates and Paramedics to administer vaccines in our health district. This should help speed things up quite a bit in the next week or two.
What was the hold up? Our techs/medics had to do the CDC training module, but that's about it.
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Gumby said:

Why not?
Because we are vaccinating people regardless of whether or not they have already been infected. The two groups are not mutually exclusive, there will be a lot of overlap. The message being sent is that the vaccine gives you more durable and long lasting immunity so people are taking it regardless of their infection status.
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Ok, I see what you are saying.

If we could identify people who already had COVID and had antibodies, it would make sense not to vaccinate them while supply is so tight. If 30%+ of the population is in that boat, that's a lot of vaccine going to people with natural immunity at the expense of people who are vulnerable. However, I understand the logistical challenges and cost of antibody testing.
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bigtruckguy3500 said:

oneeyedag said:

After much back and forth with our EMS medical director, the Fire Chief, myself, city attorney and VDH we finally have an MOU to allow our EMT Intermediates and Paramedics to administer vaccines in our health district. This should help speed things up quite a bit in the next week or two.
What was the hold up? Our techs/medics had to do the CDC training module, but that's about it.


Medical Director, liability and EMS attitudes-remember we're a city. We can't so much as poop without red tape and hold crap up.

Virginia is so much different than Texas. Before I retired Fire/EMS as a Paramedic (23 years) I did the "Shots across Texas" immunization program on my off days. So administering vaccines was nothing new.

I had actually pushed this back in September and the Battalion Chief of EMS said getting the medics to partipate would be a challenge, much less getting the medical director on board.
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