coolerguy12 said:

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ReloadAg said:

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Now when do we get to burn these stupid face masks?

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Literally whenever you want. If you're waiting for the government to give you the green light then never.

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Well I still want to go to places that require them so

AgsMyDude said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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ReloadAg said:

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Now when do we get to burn these stupid face masks?

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Literally whenever you want. If you're waiting for the government to give you the green light then never.

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Well I still want to go to places that require them so

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You still can. That's the beauty of it. Most places don't care, they just put the sign up so they don't get cancelled by the mob.

I think the author's timeline is a bit optimistic, but his points are absolutely correct. Even a single dose of one of the mRNA vaccines provides very good protection from serious COVID disease. Put this together with the anticipated rollout of the J&J vaccine, which doesn't require the same freezer treatment as the other two (yes, I know that there is speculation that the mRNA vaccines don't actually require all of the freezing that we are currently requiring of them), and I think you will see much wider distribution of vaccines for those who want it. Add in warmer months with people less crowded indoors to natural herd immunity from those who have already contracted COVID, and I believe the summer numbers should be way, way down from what we are now seeing.

One thing is certain: Herd immunity will soon be achieved. Flock immunity may never be reached, though.

AgsMyDude said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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ReloadAg said:

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Now when do we get to burn these stupid face masks?

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Literally whenever you want. If you're waiting for the government to give you the green light then never.

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Well I still want to go to places that require them so

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Stop wearing it. You'll be surprised by how few places ask you if you have a facemask.

FratboyLegend said:

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Squadron7 said:

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One thing is certain: Herd immunity will soon be achieved. Flock immunity may never be reached, though.

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can you explain the difference?

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Some sheep will never believe we can go back to normal, and will always live in fear of pandemics.

NASAg03 said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Squadron7 said:

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One thing is certain: Herd immunity will soon be achieved. Flock immunity may never be reached, though.

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can you explain the difference?

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Some sheep will never believe we can go back to normal, and will always live in fear of pandemics.

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Unfortunately there is some truth in this. I am still shocked that there are those out there that are not at risk and do not care for or have a lot of contact with at risk individuals who still don't go out and live their lives, meet with people, eat out etc. At this point, to still keep a "small circle" is a little obsessive. Don't get me wrong, I am almost impressed that some people just do not go out much for this long, but given that here in TX almost everything is open and available, its interesting for sure. Fear does rule too many people's lives during all of this.

And now that I have had Covid and the vaccine, I get the "well you do not want to get the flu or a cold" thing. Many people, I fear, will avoid much in life going forward and live life like the "new normal" really is a new normal. Their choice and 100% unnecessary.

It is just like Inception. The idea has been planted in their brains now.
Resilient as a parasite

Capitol Ag said:

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NASAg03 said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Squadron7 said:

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One thing is certain: Herd immunity will soon be achieved. Flock immunity may never be reached, though.

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can you explain the difference?

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Some sheep will never believe we can go back to normal, and will always live in fear of pandemics.

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Unfortunately there is some truth in this. I am still shocked that there are those out there that are not at risk and do not care for or have a lot of contact with at risk individuals who still don't go out and live their lives, meet with people, eat out etc. At this point, to still keep a "small circle" is a little obsessive. Don't get me wrong, I am almost impressed that some people just do not go out much for this long, but given that here in TX almost everything is open and available, its interesting for sure. Fear does rule too many people's lives during all of this.

And now that I have had Covid and the vaccine, I get the "well you do not want to get the flu or a cold" thing. Many people, I fear, will avoid much in life going forward and live life like the "new normal" really is a new normal. Their choice and 100% unnecessary.

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Even before this pandemic people tried to make me feel guilty for not getting a flu vaccine because I could unknowingly pass the flu on to someone at risk.

It's only going to be that much worse in the future.

JP_Losman said:

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It is just like Inception. The idea has been planted in their brains now.
Resilient as a parasite

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Great comparison. It's interesting that many were more resistant to just give into the idea that this thing needs to consume our lives fully. Others seemed to fully embrace the idea of lockdowns and limitations with no real end in sight. While I see the need for wise decision making and some level of limitations I have also seen the damage too much limitation can cause and been slightly amazed that while there have been the "hoaxers" that wanted to act like there was no virus, there also were way too many that just bought in to closures, distancing and masking without any sort of skepticism whatsoever. I'm glad I live in TX at least. I seriously doubt we have much of a push to keep masking or limiting occupation of retail, restaurants and events for much longer than we have to. Sadly, other states will not be so quick to open up.

NASAg03 said:

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Capitol Ag said:

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NASAg03 said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Squadron7 said:

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One thing is certain: Herd immunity will soon be achieved. Flock immunity may never be reached, though.

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can you explain the difference?

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Some sheep will never believe we can go back to normal, and will always live in fear of pandemics.

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Unfortunately there is some truth in this. I am still shocked that there are those out there that are not at risk and do not care for or have a lot of contact with at risk individuals who still don't go out and live their lives, meet with people, eat out etc. At this point, to still keep a "small circle" is a little obsessive. Don't get me wrong, I am almost impressed that some people just do not go out much for this long, but given that here in TX almost everything is open and available, its interesting for sure. Fear does rule too many people's lives during all of this.

And now that I have had Covid and the vaccine, I get the "well you do not want to get the flu or a cold" thing. Many people, I fear, will avoid much in life going forward and live life like the "new normal" really is a new normal. Their choice and 100% unnecessary.

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Even before this pandemic people tried to make me feel guilty for not getting a flu vaccine because I could unknowingly pass the flu on to someone at risk.

It's only going to be that much worse in the future.

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I agree. They shouldn't as it's your body and your business.

There's definitely something to that. There are a ton of germaphobes out there and instead of being made fun of they are now held up as heros willing to sacrifice for all of us. That's why we can't complain about my kids teacher leaving all the windows in the class open even when it's 25 degrees out.....

People who prefer to stay home get to feel selfless and brave while calling out people behaving normally as irresponsible and selfish. Completely backwards.

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I'll reserve some exceptions for people with legitimate medical issues and allergies.

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I'm sure they appreciate your grace.

Hopefully the courts would act fast to smack that nonsense down before too much damage is done.

That was in reference to your post about mandating vaccinations for domestic travel, before you deleted all your troll posts.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Insofar as meeting the actual definition of a pandemic, it's been over for some time. Soon it will be next to irrelevant, as mundane as the flu. You get your regular vaccine and go about your life. A few people get it and suffer. That sort of routine.

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Given that the most deaths in the USA just occurred last month, that's not really true. We'd need to be under 800 daily deaths per day from Covid to leave pandemic status.

That said, we've got that in sight and I see it being over very soon. The problem then will be getting states to ease their draconian restrictions.

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Always my fear. Putting restrictions in place? Easy and quick. Removing them? When has the government, federal or state, ever done anything quickly, or even removed rules/restrictions for that matter? It may simply be up to the people to just say f*** it to get through this any time soon(in the next 6 months)

beerad12man said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Insofar as meeting the actual definition of a pandemic, it's been over for some time. Soon it will be next to irrelevant, as mundane as the flu. You get your regular vaccine and go about your life. A few people get it and suffer. That sort of routine.

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Given that the most deaths in the USA just occurred last month, that's not really true. We'd need to be under 800 daily deaths per day from Covid to leave pandemic status.

That said, we've got that in sight and I see it being over very soon. The problem then will be getting states to ease their draconian restrictions.

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Always my fear. Putting restrictions in place? Easy and quick. Removing them? When has the government, federal or state, ever done anything quickly, or even removed rules/restrictions for that matter? It may simply be up to the people to just say f*** it to get through this any time soon(in the next 6 months)

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Agreed.

That's why so many people didn't want to government getting involved with the whole mask thing. Now they're in a position where if they call the shot to reduce the restrictions, and it starts to get worse again, the finger will be pointed at them. Who's going to sign up for that job? No no no no. Much easier to just leave the restrictions in place.

I'm pretty sold on the idea that's it's going to be up to the people to decide when they're going to stop wearing masks

Its already happening. You can go your entire week in Bell County without a mask on with the exception of Freebirds/Chipotle/Jason's Deli/Jimmy Johns and those style of restaurants. It is not enforced anywhere else though people still wear them to varying degrees.

It all comes down to the question of how we as a society will define what "over" means. As we approach this point, the debate will soon begin to rage, I have no doubt. Is over when the hospitals are no longer overwhelmed? Is over when there is very little chance of catching the virus. Is the main thing we are supposed to be concerned about the potential is "saving 1 life" that could die if we spread the virus even if hospitals are fine? The virus will still be around. There will be people who can catch it who didn't get the vaccine.

My views: It should only be about the hospitals. Once we know they cannot be overwhelmed, than it all opens and all mandates cease.

But we know others will disagree.

Capitol Ag said:

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It all comes down to the question of how we as a society will define what "over" means. As we approach this point, the debate will soon begin to rage, I have no doubt. Is over when the hospitals are no longer overwhelmed? Is over when there is very little chance of catching the virus. Is the main thing we are supposed to be concerned about the potential is "saving 1 life" that could die if we spread the virus even if hospitals are fine? The virus will still be around. There will be people who can catch it who didn't get the vaccine.

My views: It should only be about the hospitals. Once we know they cannot be overwhelmed, than it all opens and all mandates cease.

But we know others will disagree.

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I agree, but are we not already past this point?