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Herd immunity has been reached, months ago and without the vaccine.

The vaccine is only increasing it. That's a good thing, IMO. I have never been against people getting the jab if they want it. I'm not excited about forcing it on kids, but I respect parental rights.

COVID is over, man. Find a new hobby.

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You're on this board more than most people. Is it over? Do you need to find a new hobby?

We are not at herd immunity and the only way we've gotten close at certain conditions (late spring early summer) is through vaccination. Like I don't know how anybody could be so clueless to support that kind of a lie. Why is the south leading in cases right now? Why are 99.2% of all deaths from COVID unvaccinated people?

Look life is pretty close to normal for me and everyone I know. I go into work, bars, restaurants etc. and I don't wear a mask or anything because I am fully vaccinated (so spare me the stay locked in your house forever canned response). However, that doesn't mean we've made it and this is done here in America. We still need people to wake the **** up and be a responsible adult. Society isn't asking much from you.

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https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/dallas-county-reaches-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-health-department-says/2675346/

Gordo14 said:

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waitwhat? said:

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Herd immunity has been reached, months ago and without the vaccine.

The vaccine is only increasing it. That's a good thing, IMO. I have never been against people getting the jab if they want it. I'm not excited about forcing it on kids, but I respect parental rights.

COVID is over, man. Find a new hobby.

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You're on this board more than most people. Is it over? Do you need to find a new hobby?

We are not at herd immunity and the only way we've gotten close at certain conditions (late spring early summer) is through vaccination. Like I don't know how anybody could be so clueless to support that kind of a lie. Why is the south leading in cases right now? Why are 99.2% of all deaths from COVID unvaccinated people?

Look life is pretty close to normal for me and everyone I know. I go into work, bars, restaurants etc. and I don't wear a mask or anything because I am fully vaccinated (so spare me the stay locked in your house forever canned response). However, that doesn't mean we've made it and this is done here in America. We still need people to wake the **** up and be a responsible adult. Society isn't asking much from you.

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Well said. It bothers me when i'm accused of being some crazy coronabro who wants to go back into lockdown and wear masks forever. No, I'm a normal, rational person who got vaccinated and pretty much lives my life as normal now. I just want more people vaccinated so we can put this awful virus behind us.

The bad part of the pandemic may be over but it's denial to say covid is completely over. it's not, yet. And the vaccination rate is largely to blame. The vaccines work and the more people that get them, the fewer variants will emerge and cause problems. It's simple. I am extremely critical of the anti vax movement for this reason.

larry culpepper said:

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Gordo14 said:

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waitwhat? said:

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Herd immunity has been reached, months ago and without the vaccine.

The vaccine is only increasing it. That's a good thing, IMO. I have never been against people getting the jab if they want it. I'm not excited about forcing it on kids, but I respect parental rights.

COVID is over, man. Find a new hobby.

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You're on this board more than most people. Is it over? Do you need to find a new hobby?

We are not at herd immunity and the only way we've gotten close at certain conditions (late spring early summer) is through vaccination. Like I don't know how anybody could be so clueless to support that kind of a lie. Why is the south leading in cases right now? Why are 99.2% of all deaths from COVID unvaccinated people?

Look life is pretty close to normal for me and everyone I know. I go into work, bars, restaurants etc. and I don't wear a mask or anything because I am fully vaccinated (so spare me the stay locked in your house forever canned response). However, that doesn't mean we've made it and this is done here in America. We still need people to wake the **** up and be a responsible adult. Society isn't asking much from you.

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Well said. It bothers me when i'm accused of being some crazy coronabro who wants to go back into lockdown and wear masks forever. No, I'm a normal, rational person who got vaccinated and pretty much lives my life as normal now. I just want more people vaccinated so we can put this awful virus behind us.

The bad part of the pandemic may be over but it's denial to say covid is completely over. it's not, yet. And the vaccination rate is largely to blame. The vaccines work and the more people that get them, the fewer variants will emerge and cause problems. It's simple. I am extremely critical of the anti vax movement for this reason.

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You and gordo were wrong about ending the masks requirement in Texas.

Gordo14 said:

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waitwhat? said:

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Herd immunity has been reached, months ago and without the vaccine.

The vaccine is only increasing it. That's a good thing, IMO. I have never been against people getting the jab if they want it. I'm not excited about forcing it on kids, but I respect parental rights.

COVID is over, man. Find a new hobby.

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You're on this board more than most people. Is it over? Do you need to find a new hobby?

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I've actually been thinking about this recently and yes, I do need to find another topic to focus on because this one is over. The only reason to continue talking about this, which I intend to do to a lesser extent, is to make people realize how much of a mistake the reaction to COVID was and how much worse the "cure" was than the disease.

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We are not at herd immunity and the only way we've gotten close at certain conditions (late spring early summer) is through vaccination. Like I don't know how anybody could be so clueless to support that kind of a lie. Why is the south leading in cases right now? Why are 99.2% of all deaths from COVID unvaccinated people?

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Stop. Looking. At. "Cases."

When the vast majority of "cases" are asymptomatic or mild infections (which they always have been) then whichever state or region is leading in cases is irrelevant and mostly based on who is doing more testing.

Last year the goal was to prevent the healthcare system from being overrun due to COVID. That was never actually a risk for the vast majority of the country, but regardless we're certainly not at risk of that now. Even with the Delta Plus Supreme variant and whatever comes next.

99.2% of all recent COVID deaths are unvaccinated people because the vaccines are extraordinarily effective and safe, which if you recognize me on this board you know I've said and defended the entire time.

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Look life is pretty close to normal for me and everyone I know. I go into work, bars, restaurants etc. and I don't wear a mask or anything because I am fully vaccinated (so spare me the stay locked in your house forever canned response). However, that doesn't mean we've made it and this is done here in America. We still need people to wake the **** up and be a responsible adult. Society isn't asking much from you.

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Life has been mostly normal for me the entire time, save for things I couldn't control like business closures. The main exception is I, responsibly, avoided contact with at-risk members of my family. Now they've been vaccinated and are no longer at risk and my life is as normal as it's going to be.

This is a good thing! Celebrate!

The government needs to stay out of this now. With the rates where their at, let people choose they own adventure.

This thread is one big circular argument. Two sides that will NOT relent to the other.

If more than 60 % of the eligible population is vaccinated in Texas, vaccine people should call that victory because that's about as high as it is going to get. Even if Joe-without-a-clue offers to give you the shot himself in bed with your morning coffee, do not expect higher than that.

I'm one of them. I'll never get vaccinated for Covid. I don't care how many variants pop up. I take care of my health and work to maintain a strong immune system.

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Gordo14 said:

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waitwhat? said:

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Herd immunity has been reached, months ago and without the vaccine.

The vaccine is only increasing it. That's a good thing, IMO. I have never been against people getting the jab if they want it. I'm not excited about forcing it on kids, but I respect parental rights.

COVID is over, man. Find a new hobby.

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You're on this board more than most people. Is it over? Do you need to find a new hobby?

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I've actually been thinking about this recently and yes, I do need to find another topic to focus on because this one is over. The only reason to continue talking about this, which I intend to do to a lesser extent, is to make people realize how much of a mistake the reaction to COVID was and how much worse the "cure" was than the disease.

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We are not at herd immunity and the only way we've gotten close at certain conditions (late spring early summer) is through vaccination. Like I don't know how anybody could be so clueless to support that kind of a lie. Why is the south leading in cases right now? Why are 99.2% of all deaths from COVID unvaccinated people?

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Stop. Looking. At. "Cases."

When the vast majority of "cases" are asymptomatic or mild infections (which they always have been) then whichever state or region is leading in cases is irrelevant and mostly based on who is doing more testing.

Last year the goal was to prevent the healthcare system from being overrun due to COVID. That was never actually a risk for the vast majority of the country, but regardless we're certainly not at risk of that now. Even with the Delta Plus Supreme variant and whatever comes next.

99.2% of all recent COVID deaths are unvaccinated people because the vaccines are extraordinarily effective and safe, which if you recognize me on this board you know I've said and defended the entire time.

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Look life is pretty close to normal for me and everyone I know. I go into work, bars, restaurants etc. and I don't wear a mask or anything because I am fully vaccinated (so spare me the stay locked in your house forever canned response). However, that doesn't mean we've made it and this is done here in America. We still need people to wake the **** up and be a responsible adult. Society isn't asking much from you.

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Life has been mostly normal for me the entire time, save for things I couldn't control like business closures. The main exception is I, responsibly, avoided contact with at-risk members of my family. Now they've been vaccinated and are no longer at risk and my life is as normal as it's going to be.

This is a good thing! Celebrate!

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I agree with everything you say and I've acted the same. The only difference is I chose to get vaccinated. End of the day we will likely both be fine. I'd prefer people get vaccinated. I'd rather we never, ever, repeat what we did in our reaction though. That was much more deadly than younger people avoiding the vaccine will be. I still thin vaccination is important and goes beyond the individual.

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I'm one of them. I'll never get vaccinated for Covid. I don't care how many variants pop up. I take care of my health and work to maintain a strong immune system.

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Never? If you were 80 today would you have gotten it? Do you have kids? Are your kids vaccinated? Do you hate your parents for your vaccinations?

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I'm one of them. I'll never get vaccinated for Covid. I don't care how many variants pop up. I take care of my health and work to maintain a strong immune system.

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Same

I chose to get vaccinated but about half the neighbors I hang with in my neighborhood did not. It has not changed, IN ANY WAY, how we interact and it is not a subject of discussion. Floating the comal and Guadalupe rivers scheduling has taken priority.

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This thread is one big circular argument. Two sides that will NOT relent to the other.

If more than 60 % of the eligible population is vaccinated in Texas, vaccine people should call that victory because that's about as high as it is going to get. Even if Joe-without-a-clue offers to give you the shot himself in bed with your morning coffee, do not expect higher than that.

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You're mostly right. Though I'll always ask anti-vax people why they are not getting vaccinated, to see if it's a legitimate medical reason or if it's based on all the BS about vaccines making its way through the internet and cable news talk shows. Usually it's the latter unfortunately.

I'd take 60% of Texans as a major win. I'm optimistically hoping we break 50%. And it's not all hopeless. I "convinced" a Trump supporter cousin of mine to get vaccinated because we were possibly planning an overseas trip. The trip fell through but he ended up getting the 2 jabs anyway.

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West Point Aggie said:

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This thread is one big circular argument. Two sides that will NOT relent to the other.

If more than 60 % of the eligible population is vaccinated in Texas, vaccine people should call that victory because that's about as high as it is going to get. Even if Joe-without-a-clue offers to give you the shot himself in bed with your morning coffee, do not expect higher than that.

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You're mostly right. Though I'll always ask anti-vax people why they are not getting vaccinated, to see if it's a legitimate medical reason or if it's based on all the BS about vaccines making its way through the internet and cable news talk shows. Usually it's the latter unfortunately.

I'd take 60% of Texans as a major win. I'm optimistically hoping we break 50%. And it's not all hopeless. I "convinced" a Trump supporter cousin of mine to get vaccinated because we were possibly planning an overseas trip. The trip fell through but he ended up getting the 2 jabs anyway.

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Texas is already at 60% of the 12yo+ population getting at least one shot - the numbers are not that complicated;
28.8M total population
5.1M younger than 12 (census.gov)
Vaccine eligible: 28.8M - 5.1M = 23.7M
At least one shot as of 8 Jul: 14.2M
% of vaccine-eligible with one shot: 60%
Fully vaccinated: 12.2M
% of vaccine-eligible fully vaccinated: 51.4%

When it is all said and done you can expect Texas to be somewhere in 60-65% fully vaccinated. The numbers are clear and the math is simple.

The remaining 35-40% is simply not going to do it. No degree of shaming or "do your part rhetoric" will change that.

There are 16 blue stars that support NASAg03's position, I being one of them. This is a forum for different opinions and viewpoints. Perhaps you should take that into consideration before you reveal your intolerance and berate a poster. You reinforce the benefits of the TexAgs' "Ignore" feature.

Is the COVID reinfection rate still less than 1%?
I would expect to see that change is natural covid antibody people were vulnerable to Delta.

Also, it seems much more people are getting the virus after a vaccine (albeit mild) than those getting the virus after naturally immunizing themselves. So wouldn't that make antibodies BETTER than the vaccine??

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So wouldn't that make antibodies BETTER than the vaccine??

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Brooo - you just don't get it. We don't know if the natural antibodies are good, but we created this thing to mimic the natural antibodies and it's just like.... so much better.

Don't you love Jesus, bro? Come on..... take the vaccine.

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Is the COVID reinfection rate still less than 1%?
I would expect to see that change is natural covid antibody people were vulnerable to Delta.

Also, it seems much more people are getting the virus after a vaccine (albeit mild) than those getting the virus after naturally immunizing themselves. So wouldn't that make antibodies BETTER than the vaccine??

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Most of what I've read is that natural immunity is as strong and likely stronger than the vaccine. It's a major disservice that we aren't including these in our immunity numbers.

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Got immunity naturally by living as free as ever since the beginning of this pandemic.

Won't ever get the shot, just like I've never gotten (and will never get) the flu shot.

Not my job to get every vaccination possible on the planet to protect every person on the planet.

Until the Good Lord comes again, there's a 100% chance that 100% of the world population will die, either from covid or old age or freak accidents like choking on a gobstopper, getting hit by a stray bullet, or dodging a firework.

We no longer fear God or believe in the afterlife, and as such, we constantly fear dying. Human existence is now our god, and we give up enjoying life simply to breathe another day. And liberals now expect everyone to do the same and live a pathetic, sad reality.

"For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it." - Matthew 16:25

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Do you not think Jesus would be supportive of a small individual sacrifice (if even that) for the betterment of the common good?

Get out of here with that religious BS to defend your position.

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The Biblical perspective isn't to be anti-vax. It's to be oriented toward God with an understanding that we're working toward heaven. If we're bound for better things, then failure - not death - becomes the fear.

The secularization of America, however, has increased those who fear death as the end, and this has skewed priorities at a societal level. Postponing ones own death has become the utmost priority (unless it would take personal discipline) for many and the over-the-top responses over the past year were a consequence of this collective terror.

Would it be better to help your neighbor to reduce their potential suffering? Sure. Perhaps it helps them miss this suffering and death so that they suffer and die in a different manner. But it would be more important to share with them the good news that Jesus has offered himself as a sacrifice for their immoral failings, and that they can be judged "blameless" by God at the end of their days exclusively through alignment with the Christ.

Fear
Fear
Fear!

Aaaahhh

NO

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Got immunity naturally by living as free as ever since the beginning of this pandemic.

Won't ever get the shot, just like I've never gotten (and will never get) the flu shot.

Not my job to get every vaccination possible on the planet to protect every person on the planet.

Until the Good Lord comes again, there's a 100% chance that 100% of the world population will die, either from covid or old age or freak accidents like choking on a gobstopper, getting hit by a stray bullet, or dodging a firework.

We no longer fear God or believe in the afterlife, and as such, we constantly fear dying. Human existence is now our god, and we give up enjoying life simply to breathe another day. And liberals now expect everyone to do the same and live a pathetic, sad reality.

"For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it." - Matthew 16:25

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Do you not think Jesus would be supportive of a small individual sacrifice (if even that) for the betterment of the common good?

Get out of here with that religious BS to defend your position.

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The Biblical perspective isn't to be anti-vax. It's to be oriented toward God with an understanding that we're working toward heaven. If we're bound for better things, then failure - not death - becomes the fear.

The secularization of America, however, has increased those who fear death as the end, and this has skewed priorities at a societal level. Postponing ones own death has become the utmost priority (unless it would take personal discipline) for many and the over-the-top responses over the past year were a consequence of this collective terror.

Would it be better to help your neighbor to reduce their potential suffering? Sure. Perhaps it helps them miss this suffering and death so that they suffer and die in a different manner. But it would be more important to share with them the good news that Jesus has offered himself as a sacrifice for their immoral failings, and that they can be judged "blameless" by God at the end of their days exclusively through alignment with the Christ.

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I refuse to accept your (apparent) argument that it's somehow not a good thing to want to avoid death. If people want to not fear death and be reckless, then fine. But many of them do it at the expense of others, which I'm not okay with. Despite what many on the right believe, covid is in fact deadly to a lot of people and vaccines help stop the virus and stop susceptible people from catching it. Do you know anyone who has died from covid? Or gotten seriously ill? Because if you did I dont think you'd be saying stuff like that.

If your position is that taking the vaccine is "giving in to the ways of the world" and "turning your back on God" because it means you fear death, then I'm not sure there's much to discuss. You and I have polar opposite views that probably cannot be reconciled. I just believe that position can cause a world of harm to a lot of people. If you or a family member is in a serious accident, or gets seriously ill, do you take them to the hospital? Or would that be bad because it means you fear death too much?

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Despite what many on the right believe, covid is in fact deadly to a lot of people and vaccines help stop the virus and stop susceptible people from catching it.

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I just believe that position can cause a world of harm to a lot of people.

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You realize the contradiction here, right?

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I think there's not?

A small % of people can be at risk but when multiplied by a large population that would still equal a lot of people.

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Despite what many on the right believe, covid is in fact deadly to a lot of people and vaccines help stop the virus and stop susceptible people from catching it.

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I just believe that position can cause a world of harm to a lot of people.

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You realize the contradiction here, right?

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If you're going to make a comment like that, you should elaborate more.

No there is not a contradiction at all. Most people wont die from covid, but the number of at risk people is still pretty high.