ttha_aggie_09 said:

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"probably better than recovering from the actual infection"

Maybe it is, maybe it is not. It is still hypothetical...

Nothing I have seen indicates that you're at a statistically significant risk of reinfection or that the immunity is only short term in nature. I'm not going to get the vaccine just for the sake of getting the vaccine.

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I think you're way understating the results of the study.

It's more than hypothetical.

But yes, I agree that you are not at a significant risk of reinfection and they still don't know how long natural immunity lasts exactly, only that the study shows that getting fully vaccinated with Moderna or Pfizer after infection greatly boosts your immunity, possibly for life.

I can absolutely say that if a ME does an autopsy and reports sepsis, drowning, or coronary artery disease as cause of death it wasn't related to the vaccine.

I didn't hazard a guess as to how many deaths were caused by the vaccines, but you did, based on nothing.

You watch to much CNN

If a vaccine that produces antibodies to mimic my naturally produced antibodies, "potentially lasts for life", that makes me feel even more confident about my natural immune response.

When I hear vaccines only last for 6 months or a year, it makes me think my antibodies may only be effective for a similar time frame.

When I hear that Delta variant could cause higher reinfection, but ends up not, then it makes me less confident in "news" and more confident in my antibodies.

This is what happens when the "medical community" will say anything to a public they see as sheep who must be herded into a vaccination booth. It backfires.

Why not just say "so far recovered patients have less than a 1% chance of getting reinfected, and even much less chance of serious side effects to a booster vaccine. Those recovered people who choose not to get a vaccine should monitor reinfection rates and anyone else unvaccinated and at risk should get a vaccine". That would go a long way in repairing the horrible shot calling thus far.

thirdcoast said:

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If a vaccine that produces antibodies to mimic my naturally produced antibodies, "potentially lasts for life", that makes me feel even more confident about my natural immune response.

When I hear vaccines only last for 6 months or a year, it makes me think my antibodies may only be effective for a similar time frame.

When I hear that Delta variant could cause higher reinfection, but ends up not, then it makes me less confident in "news" and more confident in my antibodies.

This is what happens when the "medical community" will say anything to a public they see as sheep who must be herded into a vaccination booth. It backfires.

Why not just say "so far recovered patients have less than a 1% chance of getting reinfected, and even much less chance of serious side effects to a booster vaccine. Those recovered people who choose not to get a vaccine should monitor reinfection rates and anyone else unvaccinated and at risk should get a vaccine". That would go a long way in repairing the horrible shot calling thus far.

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It's what they should say. I'm super pro vax but I'm more pro science. Natural immunity is real and we need to convey that message.

tmaggies said:

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You watch to much CNN

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He is a physician

Just minor quibbles. The vaccine doesn't produce antibodies, it causes your body to produce a protein - the exact protein that is on the outside of the virus* - and then your body reacts to that as it would to the virus. This includes producing antibodies, but that's not all that happens (some of the "side effects" are more of your immune system getting involved).

The immune system is a lot more complicated than all this. I won't pretend to be an expert but the big challenge of vaccines in general is to activate the immune system the right amount - not too much, not too little. There has been a lot of research done in mRNA vaccines in particular to hit that sweet spot. Any particular viral infection does not necessarily hit that sweet spot. It's not unreasonable to think that the vaccine may produce a better, more durable immunity than some infections.

*they changed one protein to make the spike stand up straight, like a splint. Some researchers discovered you could do this with the SARS spike around 5 years ago, ain't research great?

ORAggieFan said:

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thirdcoast said:

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If a vaccine that produces antibodies to mimic my naturally produced antibodies, "potentially lasts for life", that makes me feel even more confident about my natural immune response.

When I hear vaccines only last for 6 months or a year, it makes me think my antibodies may only be effective for a similar time frame.

When I hear that Delta variant could cause higher reinfection, but ends up not, then it makes me less confident in "news" and more confident in my antibodies.

This is what happens when the "medical community" will say anything to a public they see as sheep who must be herded into a vaccination booth. It backfires.

Why not just say "so far recovered patients have less than a 1% chance of getting reinfected, and even much less chance of serious side effects to a booster vaccine. Those recovered people who choose not to get a vaccine should monitor reinfection rates and anyone else unvaccinated and at risk should get a vaccine". That would go a long way in repairing the horrible shot calling thus far.

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It's what they should say. I'm super pro vax but I'm more pro science. Natural immunity is real and we need to convey that message.

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And the failure to convey this message, for some, reinforces their belief there is an ulterior motive with the vaccine. I am not one of them but I can easily understand why one would choose to believe that.

I know a lot of people on this board want to blame the anti-vax community for the avoidance of this vaccine but the true blame belongs to the government and health officials and their inability to deliver consistent and transparent information.

ttha_aggie_09 said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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thirdcoast said:

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If a vaccine that produces antibodies to mimic my naturally produced antibodies, "potentially lasts for life", that makes me feel even more confident about my natural immune response.

When I hear vaccines only last for 6 months or a year, it makes me think my antibodies may only be effective for a similar time frame.

When I hear that Delta variant could cause higher reinfection, but ends up not, then it makes me less confident in "news" and more confident in my antibodies.

This is what happens when the "medical community" will say anything to a public they see as sheep who must be herded into a vaccination booth. It backfires.

Why not just say "so far recovered patients have less than a 1% chance of getting reinfected, and even much less chance of serious side effects to a booster vaccine. Those recovered people who choose not to get a vaccine should monitor reinfection rates and anyone else unvaccinated and at risk should get a vaccine". That would go a long way in repairing the horrible shot calling thus far.

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It's what they should say. I'm super pro vax but I'm more pro science. Natural immunity is real and we need to convey that message.

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And the failure to convey this message, for some, reinforces their belief there is an ulterior motive with the vaccine. I am not one of them but I can easily understand why one would choose to believe that.

I know a lot of people on this board want to blame the anti-vax community for the avoidance of this vaccine but the true blame belongs to the government and health officials and their inability to deliver consistent and transparent information.

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I can understand the challenge with the previously infected. A chunk of people will not actually be previously infected but think they are. Another chunk will lie as cover because they don't want the vaccine. From a public policy perspective just saying - yeah, everyone needs it - is way simpler. But forcing people is a non-starter.

On the other hand, no amount of good messaging is going to convince a person who is inclined to believe or forward on social media posts about graphene in the shot.

My friend's twenty something son got covid last year and thought he was protected, not so. He came down with covid again last week and symptoms are much more severe. Will never understand why people do not get vaccine.

NJaggie said:

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My friend's twenty something son got covid last year and thought he was protected, not so. He came down with covid again last week and symptoms are much more severe. Will never understand why people do not get vaccine.

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dang. a virus so deadly he's gonna beat it twice.

NASAg03 said:

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Got immunity naturally by living as free as ever since the beginning of this pandemic.

Won't ever get the shot, just like I've never gotten (and will never get) the flu shot.

Not my job to get every vaccination possible on the planet to protect every person on the planet.

Until the Good Lord comes again, there's a 100% chance that 100% of the world population will die, either from covid or old age or freak accidents like choking on a gobstopper, getting hit by a stray bullet, or dodging a firework.

We no longer fear God or believe in the afterlife, and as such, we constantly fear dying. Human existence is now our god, and we give up enjoying life simply to breathe another day. And liberals now expect everyone to do the same and live a pathetic, sad reality.

"For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it." - Matthew 16:25

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The other day I watched an overweight woman buying cigarettes with a mask on. I felt a bit sorry for her misplaced fear and priorities - until I realized I probably am doing the same thing in many aspects of my life.

C.S. Lewis said that if a person doesn't believe that God exists, that person must create a god to fill the void. Many fill it with themselves.

The problem is deep down everyone knows that they can't save themselves - as you said, we are all scheduled to die. The good news is there is a vaccine available that can save us and no shot is required. It doesn't matter how sick you are - and that's Jesus Christ.

Mass inoculation can cause its own mutant variants too.

I wonder in fact..,according to the pharma ministry of truth, the virus basically stayed the same for a whole year, and then wow all of a sudden, right as the vax rolled out, a whole Greek alphabet of dangerous variants emerges. Because unvaccinated? How can you make this assumption? How do you know the vax campaign isn't contributing to the mutations?

That's not correct. Beta and delta didn't suddenly appear after vaccinations. They just recently started getting press.

Diet Cokehead said:

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It's pretty simple for me. I had COVID in January, but figured I would still get the vaccine at some point (like next year). Now that the government and media are so desperately pressuring people to get vaccinated and ignoring those of us that have natural immunity, I can't help but think there is something nefarious going on and will likely now never get the vaccine. Fauci is the worst of all.

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You've got to step back and look at how silly this stance is. You're likely fine, having had it, I'm not going to ignore natural immunity. But, the rest of it. Cases are going up some, not to a level to freak out about. But, deaths and hospitalizations are nearly all non immune (I lump natural immunity here). The push is for this reason. There is a portion of our population that just thinks they won't be affected. Most of them won't. But, as a whole number (not a percent), it's some significant people hurting because they misjudged their risk. That's why the push.

It's a vaccine developed and pushed under a different administration. To have both pushing to get it should tell you it's not nefarious.

Except during the campaign the democrats were incredibly skeptical of the vaccine. One even said something to the extent of "if Donald Trump recommends it I won't get it"

Their playbook was pretty much do the opposite of whatever Trump said, until they got in office and they shifted gears. They even got Kamala to tell people to stop coming to the border. I'm old enough to remember when that would have been considered racist to encourage people to not come here illegally.

But I digress. We're not supposed to make the most political thing to happen in our lifetime political. Sorry staff, please don't ban me. Was just responding in kind to another poster.