Once again: vaccines prevent disease, not infection. This has been said repeatedly since Jan/Feb into the spring. This example is exactly why mask mandates (that everyone complained about and said were anti-science) were not lifted immediately for those vaccinated and continued for some time. Even vaccinated individuals can spread the virus, especially (it appears) the delta variant.

I encourage everyone reading this to listen to the latest episode of the All-In podcast where David Sacks talks about testing positive for the coronavirus after going to a dinner with friends with most of the party becoming infected after this gathering. All in the party were vaccinated, including the person that gave COVID to the rest of the group. They then go into a discussion how this event has caused them to "re-think" their stance on vaccination (especially children) and health orders that they made fun of in the prior months and were so against.

GET VACCINATED TODAY. Do not let this delta variant run through you if you are unvaccinated and be the willing petri dish for it. Do yourself and others a solid and prevent potential severe disease and medical issues because this variant is not going away and will be extremely contagious -- logs greater than previous variants.

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Couple of things because I know there will be replies to this -- I am not advocating or suggesting a return of mask mandates/heath order/lockdowns. That time has past. However, I and others weren't just talking out of their asses months back about these things like some on this board wanted to pretend like we were. There were solid, scientific reasons for many of the health recommendations put out there in the spring. We've had our chance to end this thing with literal months of having readily available vaccine -- but 40-50% of the country has chosen not to get vaccinated and now us and our economy (which they sooo wanted to protect but will now harm) will have to pay for that decision. We had a three touchdown lead on this thing and we blew it. We will see in the coming weeks how this plays out, but I can see many on this board not liking new health orders / recommendations / consequences that are coming due to the delta variant and because of our counties pitiful low vaccination rate.

If the dreaded delta variant is infecting vaccinated people, but likely without severe illness, that in no way motivates me to get vaccinated when I'm already not at risk for severe illness.

As for public health measures, they were ineffective at pretty much everything except instilling fear, cratering the economy, and shifting the pain onto the young and the poor. Covid is here and it's not going anywhere. The path forward is to just move forward.

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My gf tested positive yesterday after finding out some girls from a bachelorette trip she went on last weekend tested positive. 18 in attendance, so far 13 positive tests. All were vaccinated well in advance. Mix of Pfizer and Moderna. Mild symptoms for most, although one apparently has some chest pain. GF only has congestion and a mildly sore throat along with some lethargy.

I have no symptoms yet. I've read its unlikely to pass from one vaccinated person to another which leads me to wonder how so many of them got it. All tested negative for their flights home, symptoms started late Tuesday and into Wednesday for most/all of them.

Variants suck. **** COVID. I was supposed to be celebrating with friends this weekend but now get to stay home for 10 days.

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Sounds like the vaccine worked. May not be a popular answer but just b/c that many tested positive doesn't mean that the vaccine hasn't ensured that most, if not all, will only experience mild symptoms.

While I totally agree and am in the camp with others that you do not "need' to quarantine as the CDC and experts have stated numerous times, people also should seriously consider getting the vaccine. Most likely even without the vaccine this group would be ok as you guys sound young enough. But most likely the fact that all were vaccinated, we will never know if it could have been worse.

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Once again: vaccines prevent disease, not infection. This has been said repeatedly since Jan/Feb into the spring. This example is exactly why mask mandates (that everyone complained about and said were anti-science) were not lifted immediately for those vaccinated and continued for some time. Even vaccinated individuals can spread the virus, especially (it appears) the delta variant.

I encourage everyone reading this to listen to the latest episode of the All-In podcast where David Sacks talks about testing positive for the coronavirus after going to a dinner with friends with most of the party becoming infected after this gathering. All in the party were vaccinated, including the person that gave COVID to the rest of the group. They then go into a discussion how this event has caused them to "re-think" their stance on vaccination (especially children) and health orders that they made fun of in the prior months and were so against.

GET VACCINATED TODAY. Do not let this delta variant run through you if you are unvaccinated and be the willing petri dish for it. Do yourself and others a solid and prevent potential severe disease and medical issues because this variant is not going away and will be extremely contagious -- logs greater than previous variants.

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Couple of things because I know there will be replies to this -- I am not advocating or suggesting a return of mask mandates/heath order/lockdowns. That time has past. However, I and others weren't just talking out of their asses months back about these things like some on this board wanted to pretend like we were. There were solid, scientific reasons for many of the health recommendations put out there in the spring. We've had our chance to end this thing with literal months of having readily available vaccine -- but 40-50% of the country has chosen not to get vaccinated and now us and our economy (which they sooo wanted to protect but will now harm) will have to pay for that decision. We had a three touchdown lead on this thing and we blew it. We will see in the coming weeks how this plays out, but I can see many on this board not liking new health orders / recommendations / consequences that are coming due to the delta variant and because of our counties pitiful low vaccination rate.

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Right? Gotta love the won't get vaccinated, won't wear a mask, hate shut down people. Only willing to complain but not participate in what was a very easy solution until new variants became a problem just like we were warned. Blame politicians but take zero personal responsibility.

If only we had all done our part, a variant from India wouldn't be here. Oh wait, that makes absolutely no sense.

You are welcome to hold me personally responsible for delta. Maybe you can sue me for damages.

This is a great dialogue showing how COVID is a new religion. We have the agnostics, atheists, and the Covid bible beaters.

on the bright side....rampant Delta spread will infect the unvaccinated faster and we will reach heard immunity sooner.

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Right? Gotta love the won't get vaccinated, won't wear a mask, hate shut down people. Only willing to complain but not participate in what was a very easy solution until new variants became a problem just like we were warned. Blame politicians but take zero personal responsibility.

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This is a great post. Well said.

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My gf tested positive yesterday after finding out some girls from a bachelorette trip she went on last weekend tested positive. 18 in attendance, so far 13 positive tests. All were vaccinated well in advance. Mix of Pfizer and Moderna. Mild symptoms for most, although one apparently has some chest pain. GF only has congestion and a mildly sore throat along with some lethargy.

I have no symptoms yet. I've read its unlikely to pass from one vaccinated person to another which leads me to wonder how so many of them got it. All tested negative for their flights home, symptoms started late Tuesday and into Wednesday for most/all of them.

Variants suck. **** COVID. I was supposed to be celebrating with friends this weekend but now get to stay home for 10 days.

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Is the PCR test approved by the FDA to diagnose COVID? Last I heard it was only being used under an EUA and the number of false positives is very high. Entirely possible that those who tested positive with no symptoms don't actually have COVID. Might even be the vaccine that is causing the positive tests.

I read recently that the laminar flow test they use in the UK will show positive if you drink soda or lemonade beforehand and school children are spoofing the test to get out of going to school.

So far the breakdown has been 100% of those testing positive have symptoms and 100% of those testing negative have no symptoms.

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So far the breakdown has been 100% of those testing positive have symptoms and 100% of those testing negative have no symptoms.

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What are the symptoms? In your original post it was all mild so sounds like the vaccine is doing the job. Who give a **** if you get the sniffles and get a little tired.

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I think mostly cold symptoms bit a couple have lost sense of smell and one is having chest pain/painful cough. I agree it seems to be doing its job. I find the response early on in this thread that this is somehow a reason to not get vaccinated to be utterly baffling and ridiculous.

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Right? Gotta love the won't get vaccinated, won't wear a mask, hate shut down people. Only willing to complain but not participate in what was a very easy solution until new variants became a problem just like we were warned. Blame politicians but take zero personal responsibility.

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This is a great post. Well said.

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Great post assigning blame to feel better about something you have no control over

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So far the breakdown has been 100% of those testing positive have symptoms and 100% of those testing negative have no symptoms.

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What are the symptoms? In your original post it was all mild so sounds like the vaccine is doing the job. Who give a **** if you get the sniffles and get a little tired.

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I think mostly cold symptoms bit a couple have lost sense of smell and one is having chest pain/painful cough. I agree it seems to be doing its job. I find the response early on in this thread that this is somehow a reason to not get vaccinated to be utterly baffling and ridiculous.

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I suppose. I don't care if people get vaccinated or not, it's effective and if people are dying from covid now that's on them.

Immunity is a gradient. Vaccinated people are likely to have much better outcomes than unexposed people to any variant of the virus. This virus will become endemic, and we will likely all catch some variant of it at some point in our lives. It's important to be able to mount an effective immune response from day one. Getting the vaccine is arguably going to be more important in the near future as I fully expect this delta variant to move through the population quickly.... And the vast majority of people that will die will be unvaccinated.

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whether or not we believe the numbers will bear out...the 95% number thrown around was related to testing positive for Covid...not severity of symptoms.

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Do you really think that 95% number will play out and be accurate as the virus mutates. Flu vaccine effectiveness is typically 25% to 50%.

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Seems to me that maybe the trials were set up to show more effectiveness than what real world applications will show....


Might would equal more profits??

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Do you even understand what a trial is? It's the definition of a real world application.

It really is amazing that extreme left conspiracy theorists and and exteme rigbt conspiracy theorists come down to the same overarching conclusion about things they don't understand. Blaming "profits" is exactly what a Bernie Sanders supporter complains about when a pipeline is built.

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If only we had all done our part, a variant from India wouldn't be here. Oh wait, that makes absolutely no sense.

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If only more people had gotten vaccinated, it wouldn't have had the opportunity to take hold. But you know that and just don't care.

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So far the breakdown has been 100% of those testing positive have symptoms and 100% of those testing negative have no symptoms.

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What are the symptoms? In your original post it was all mild so sounds like the vaccine is doing the job. Who give a **** if you get the sniffles and get a little tired.

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The people on their plane? Those at the next table in a restaurant prior to that positive test? The Uber driver?The OP?

All people that have made a choice to either get the vaccine or not. If you don't have it then the risk is on you and other people aren't responsible for you're safety. If you do have it then you have nothing to worry about assuming it works.

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whether or not we believe the numbers will bear out...the 95% number thrown around was related to testing positive for Covid...not severity of symptoms.

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Do you really think that 95% number will play out and be accurate as the virus mutates. Flu vaccine effectiveness is typically 25% to 50%.

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Seems to me that maybe the trials were set up to show more effectiveness than what real world applications will show....


Might would equal more profits??

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Do you even understand what a trial is? It's the definition of a real world application.

It really is amazing that extreme left conspiracy theorists and and exteme rigbt conspiracy theorists come down to the same overarching conclusion about things they don't understand. Blaming "profits" is exactly what a Bernie Sanders supporter complains about when a pipeline is built.

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Sorry for being cynical I can't help it! But surely Pfizer would never do something to make more profits.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-agrees-pay-345-mln-resolve-epipen-pricing-lawsuit-2021-07-16/

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All people that have made a choice to either get the vaccine or not. If you don't have it then the risk is on you and other people aren't responsible for you're safety. If you do have it then you have nothing to worry about assuming it works.

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18 vaccinated people got covid, have a cold, but it's somehow the unvaccinated people's fault.

No way you are serious. If you are I'm sorry, but you will never be comfortable in society again. Covid is never going away, but if you have the vaccine it is a mild cold.

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And the vast majority of people that will die will be unvaccinated.

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And obese and/or over 70.

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If only we had all done our part, a variant from India wouldn't be here. Oh wait, that makes absolutely no sense.

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If only more people had gotten vaccinated, it wouldn't have had the opportunity to take hold. But you know that and just don't care.

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Only 2 countries have a higher rate of vaccination than the US, the UK and Spain. The UK is currently experiencing the biggest spike in the world with cases approaching all time highs.

So if the most vaccinated country in the world is experiencing massive spikes in cases, what makes you think that vaccinations would have prevented the spread? This whole thread is about a large group of vaccinated people who got COVID.

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If only we had all done our part, a variant from India wouldn't be here. Oh wait, that makes absolutely no sense.

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If only more people had gotten vaccinated, it wouldn't have had the opportunity to take hold. But you know that and just don't care.

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Only 2 countries have a higher rate of vaccination than the US, the UK and Spain. The UK is currently experiencing the biggest spike in the world with cases approaching all time highs.

So if the most vaccinated country in the world is experiencing massive spikes in cases, what makes you think that vaccinations would have prevented the spread? This whole thread is about a large group of vaccinated people who got COVID.

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As stated in a couple UK studies, it looks like when the virus starts to run out of unvaccinated or no previous infection hosts, it starts looking to infect the vaccinated. If people like bay fan really think the jabs are going to end the spread of this virus, they will be in seclusion forever. The news worth mentioning out of the UK is that because of the vaccine, hospitalizations have not seen a dramatic increase, with most hospitalizations occurring amongst the unvaccinated. Officials there also believe that number in the hospital has peaked and will now begin to decline again. Wasn't that what this was all about from the onset? Protect the vulnerable and keep the health system at manageable levels? I'd say we've done both. I got the shots, even after prior infection. If my neighbor doesn't want to, that's his choice. He knows the stated risk for whatever category he falls into. The unvaccinated are living life at their own risk now. It shouldn't be about them anymore. This is America, after all. It's supposed to be a free country. Vaccinated people freaking out about the unvaccinated is sheer madness.