Breakthrough cases from Mexico

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10:26a, 7/17/21
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The entire premise of this thread is off from the start.

1. COVID is endemic.
2. The vaccine will help prevent some cases and lessen severity of others. It can't eradicate it.

With #1 and #2 as facts, tracking case count is irrelevant and simply fear porn. The only real metrics at this point that should be monitored are hospitalizations and deaths. If those start getting worse than Alpha then let's talk.
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In reply to bay fan • 10:27a, 7/17/21
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bay fan said:
Ranger222 said:

Right? Gotta love the won't get vaccinated, won't wear a mask, hate shut down people. Only willing to complain but not participate in what was a very easy solution until new variants became a problem just like we were warned. Blame politicians but take zero personal responsibility.


I blame China.

I blame CDC / WHO.

I blame Fauci.

I blame politicians.

I blame politically motivated doctors.

I take full personal responsibility for myself, my family (immediate and extended) and our choices.
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10:43a, 7/17/21
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A couple of thoughts

1. Some of y'all are crazy.
2. Breakthrough cases will be the norm.
3. This is a free country, do what you will.
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In reply to RafterAg223 • 10:45a, 7/17/21
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RafterAg223 said:
Gumby said:
bay fan said:
GAC06 said:
If only we had all done our part, a variant from India wouldn't be here. Oh wait, that makes absolutely no sense.
If only more people had gotten vaccinated, it wouldn't have had the opportunity to take hold. But you know that and just don't care.


Only 2 countries have a higher rate of vaccination than the US, the UK and Spain. The UK is currently experiencing the biggest spike in the world with cases approaching all time highs.

So if the most vaccinated country in the world is experiencing massive spikes in cases, what makes you think that vaccinations would have prevented the spread? This whole thread is about a large group of vaccinated people who got COVID.




As stated in a couple UK studies, it looks like when the virus starts to run out of unvaccinated or no previous infection hosts, it starts looking to infect the vaccinated. If people like bay fan really think the jabs are going to end the spread of this virus, they will be in seclusion forever. The news worth mentioning out of the UK is that because of the vaccine, hospitalizations have not seen a dramatic increase, with most hospitalizations occurring amongst the unvaccinated. Officials there also believe that number in the hospital has peaked and will now begin to decline again. Wasn't that what this was all about from the onset? Protect the vulnerable and keep the health system at manageable levels? I'd say we've done both. I got the shots, even after prior infection. If my neighbor doesn't want to, that's his choice. He knows the stated risk for whatever category he falls into. The unvaccinated are living life at their own risk now. It shouldn't be about them anymore. This is America, after all. It's supposed to be a free country. Vaccinated people freaking out about the unvaccinated is sheer madness.


I think it was really poor messaging by many people to convince people that the vaccine would prevent infection vice reducing severity. I heard many reputable medical experts say that the virus would not prevent infection, however that message was lost by the media and politicians.

So now you have people like bay fan who think the virus would be eradicated if only everyone were vaccinated. When they see cases rise they think that only the unvaccinated are getting infected which is obviously not the case.
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In reply to bay fan • 11:08a, 7/17/21
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bay fan said:
GAC06 said:
If only we had all done our part, a variant from India wouldn't be here. Oh wait, that makes absolutely no sense.
If only more people had gotten vaccinated, it wouldn't have had the opportunity to take hold. But you know that and just don't care.


The topic of discussion is vaccinated people still getting infected. You keep trying to assign blame to unvaccinated people in your emotion driven state. The facts don't support that position, at all.

You are correct that I don't care about new cases.
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In reply to [removed post] • 11:21a, 7/17/21
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They compared them to placebo. Like for like, there was a 90+% reduction in cases between placebo and vaccine. That's the reason to have a control group.
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In reply to PatAg • 11:41a, 7/17/21
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Lol wut
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In reply to [removed post] • 11:42a, 7/17/21
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I don't understand your point. Even if the absolute values of infections change, you'd expect the ratio to remain the same (95% less in vaccinated than control), right?
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11:51a, 7/17/21
As others have pointed out, unless this is a brand new strain (not variant) that completely avoids vaccine immunity (and probably immunity in general) then it is statistically impossible for so many vaccinated people in that small of a group to become infected. Especially since at least a few of them certainly had natural immunity before getting the vaccine, anyway.

I'm going out on a wild limb here and calling absolute BS on the whole thing. They may be infected with a virus, but it isn't SARS-CoV-2.
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In reply to Zobel • 12:08p, 7/17/21
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Zobel said:
I don't understand your point. Even if the absolute values of infections change, you'd expect the ratio to remain the same (95% less in vaccinated than control), right?


But for how long do they last?
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In reply to Russ11 • 12:13p, 7/17/21
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Every time they check for antibodies they're still there. I'd guess comparable to the duration from actual infection. We don't know for sure, because we can only test for as long as it's been since they've given the vaccine. That's around a year now, so at least a year.
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In reply to Zobel • 12:17p, 7/17/21
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Zobel said:
Every time they check for antibodies they're still there. I'd guess comparable to the duration from actual infection. We don't know for sure, because we can only test for as long as it's been since they've given the vaccine. That's around a year now, so at least a year.
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In reply to waitwhat? • 12:23p, 7/17/21
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waitwhat? said:
As others have pointed out, unless this is a brand new strain (not variant) that completely avoids vaccine immunity (and probably immunity in general) then it is statistically impossible for so many vaccinated people in that small of a group to become infected. Especially since at least a few of them certainly had natural immunity before getting the vaccine, anyway.

I'm going out on a wild limb here and calling absolute BS on the whole thing. They may be infected with a virus, but it isn't SARS-CoV-2.
Well, we have another poster on F16 saying he has 13 of 18 co-workers all down for the count with the vaccinated ones most severely affected. One of the vaccinated is on a vent.

And with the UK data showing that vaccinated people are getting hit harder with Delta than non-vaccinated we have all kinds of weird, conflicting info out there.
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In reply to YouBet • 12:28p, 7/17/21
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I don't think what you're saying about the UK data is correct.

You can read an explanation here.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccinated-idUSL2N2OD2CJ
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In reply to YouBet • 12:31p, 7/17/21
YouBet said:
waitwhat? said:
As others have pointed out, unless this is a brand new strain (not variant) that completely avoids vaccine immunity (and probably immunity in general) then it is statistically impossible for so many vaccinated people in that small of a group to become infected. Especially since at least a few of them certainly had natural immunity before getting the vaccine, anyway.

I'm going out on a wild limb here and calling absolute BS on the whole thing. They may be infected with a virus, but it isn't SARS-CoV-2.
Well, we have another poster on F16 saying he has 13 of 18 co-workers all down for the count with the vaccinated ones most severely affected. One of the vaccinated is on a vent.

And with the UK data showing that vaccinated people are getting hit harder with Delta than non-vaccinated we have all kinds of weird, conflicting info out there.


It's conflicting because most of it is lies or misrepresentations if the truth.
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7:41p, 7/17/21
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Just to provide a small update, the group of 12 is split on symptoms right now. 2 are having deep and painful coughs, some are feeling better and some are feeling worse. GF isn't suffering cold symptoms anymore but now is pretty exhausted and just within the last 8 hours lost her sense of smell. This isn't atypical for COVID of course but I would say it's different than just a mild cold.

I still feel fine. Negative PCR yesterday and will do an at home rapid before going to work Monday. Not sure how to square the idea that I'm basically continually being exposed but CDC guidance seems to indicate I don't need to do much of anything unless I have symptoms so I have no qualms about testing myself to have a little extra certainty.
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In reply to DCAggie13y • 8:45a, 7/18/21
Gumby said:
bay fan said:
GAC06 said:
If only we had all done our part, a variant from India wouldn't be here. Oh wait, that makes absolutely no sense.
If only more people had gotten vaccinated, it wouldn't have had the opportunity to take hold. But you know that and just don't care.


Only 2 countries have a higher rate of vaccination than the US, the UK and Spain. The UK is currently experiencing the biggest spike in the world with cases approaching all time highs.

So if the most vaccinated country in the world is experiencing massive spikes in cases, what makes you think that vaccinations would have prevented the spread? This whole thread is about a large group of vaccinated people who got COVID.


There is so much about Covid that is not readily explicable. Why are the other European countries not seeing a spike like that? Why only the UK?
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In reply to Less Evil Hank Scorpio • 10:08a, 7/18/21
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Just to provide a small update, the group of 12 is split on symptoms right now. 2 are having deep and painful coughs, some are feeling better and some are feeling worse. GF isn't suffering cold symptoms anymore but now is pretty exhausted and just within the last 8 hours lost her sense of smell. This isn't atypical for COVID of course but I would say it's different than just a mild cold.

I still feel fine. Negative PCR yesterday and will do an at home rapid before going to work Monday. Not sure how to square the idea that I'm basically continually being exposed but CDC guidance seems to indicate I don't need to do much of anything unless I have symptoms so I have no qualms about testing myself to have a little extra certainty.
is your GF not quarantined? How are you being continually exposed? If ya'll live together, I assume she would isolate herself in a separate room.
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In reply to KingofHazor • 12:25p, 7/18/21
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Jabin said:
Gumby said:
bay fan said:
GAC06 said:
If only we had all done our part, a variant from India wouldn't be here. Oh wait, that makes absolutely no sense.
If only more people had gotten vaccinated, it wouldn't have had the opportunity to take hold. But you know that and just don't care.


Only 2 countries have a higher rate of vaccination than the US, the UK and Spain. The UK is currently experiencing the biggest spike in the world with cases approaching all time highs.

So if the most vaccinated country in the world is experiencing massive spikes in cases, what makes you think that vaccinations would have prevented the spread? This whole thread is about a large group of vaccinated people who got COVID.


There is so much about Covid that is not readily explicable. Why are the other European countries not seeing a spike like that? Why only the UK?


Looks like cases are up across Europe but the UK is the worse. Oddly, the UK is the most vaccinated and seems to be getting it the worst. That seems very odd and concerning. Especially since pretty much everyone I know is vaccinated. If the vaccine has negative effects, my whole social circle is screwed.
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In reply to DCAggie13y • 12:34p, 7/18/21
Gumby said:
Jabin said:
Gumby said:
bay fan said:
GAC06 said:
If only we had all done our part, a variant from India wouldn't be here. Oh wait, that makes absolutely no sense.
If only more people had gotten vaccinated, it wouldn't have had the opportunity to take hold. But you know that and just don't care.


Only 2 countries have a higher rate of vaccination than the US, the UK and Spain. The UK is currently experiencing the biggest spike in the world with cases approaching all time highs.

So if the most vaccinated country in the world is experiencing massive spikes in cases, what makes you think that vaccinations would have prevented the spread? This whole thread is about a large group of vaccinated people who got COVID.


There is so much about Covid that is not readily explicable. Why are the other European countries not seeing a spike like that? Why only the UK?


Looks like cases are up across Europe but the UK is the worse. Oddly, the UK is the most vaccinated and seems to be getting it the worst. That seems very odd and concerning. Especially since pretty much everyone I know is vaccinated. If the vaccine has negative effects, my whole social circle is screwed.
The charts for the other western European countries don't look anything like the UK. Yes, they're up, but only slightly. Vaccine cannot explain that. I'm wondering if demographics might, but that's a guess that's almost certainly wrong. I'm scratching my head.
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In reply to DCAggie13y • 12:40p, 7/18/21
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If the vaccine has negative effects, my whole social circle is screwed.


The official narrative is that the vaccine is safe for everyone and there are no negative effects from it.
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In reply to KingofHazor • 12:52p, 7/18/21
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Didn't UK follow a different vaccine rollout strategy? First shots for everyone instead of both shots for high risk? Is that playing a role possibly?
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In reply to Less Evil Hank Scorpio • 12:58p, 7/18/21
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GarlandAg2012 said:
Didn't UK follow a different vaccine rollout strategy? First shots for everyone instead of both shots for high risk? Is that playing a role possibly?


They still have the highest rate of fully vaccinated people in the world (for comparable size countries).


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In reply to Less Evil Hank Scorpio • 2:35p, 7/18/21
I just googled the question and one article speculates that the difference may be due to the fact that the UK supposedly tests more and gets test results back more quickly than other European countries. If that's correct, then the article further speculates that the other countries are also seeing a spike but the data is just not available, or not yet available.

Have no idea if any of that is correct.
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In reply to Zobel • 3:23p, 7/18/21
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Zobel said:
I don't think what you're saying about the UK data is correct.

You can read an explanation here.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccinated-idUSL2N2OD2CJ


Read and noted although to be clear I wasn't referring to people dying from delta while being vaccinated. I hadn't seen that claim. I had previously interpreted data saying vaccinated people were catching delta in greater numbers which makes sense as more of the population flips from unvaxed to vaxxed.

Anecdotally, it still feels like delta is able to bypass the vaccine more effectively than alpha from a symptomatic impact based on current case counts.
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SoupNazi2001 said:
Tabasco said:
GarlandAg2012 said:
Just to provide a small update, the group of 12 is split on symptoms right now. 2 are having deep and painful coughs, some are feeling better and some are feeling worse. GF isn't suffering cold symptoms anymore but now is pretty exhausted and just within the last 8 hours lost her sense of smell. This isn't atypical for COVID of course but I would say it's different than just a mild cold.

I still feel fine. Negative PCR yesterday and will do an at home rapid before going to work Monday. Not sure how to square the idea that I'm basically continually being exposed but CDC guidance seems to indicate I don't need to do much of anything unless I have symptoms so I have no qualms about testing myself to have a little extra certainty.
is your GF not quarantined? How are you being continually exposed? If ya'll live together, I assume she would isolate herself in a separate room.


Do people really do this? Had a mild case of Covid, didn't isolate from family. No one else got it either.
We did. Christmas sucked. Dec 24 2020 I was diagnosed first, husband and kids stayed together I isolated. Then husband. Both boys stayed together till one tested neg and one pos as we were coming out of isolation. So the neg test went into his room and stayed. He never tested positive, negative antibody test.
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SoupNazi2001 said:
88planoAg said:
SoupNazi2001 said:
Tabasco said:
GarlandAg2012 said:
Just to provide a small update, the group of 12 is split on symptoms right now. 2 are having deep and painful coughs, some are feeling better and some are feeling worse. GF isn't suffering cold symptoms anymore but now is pretty exhausted and just within the last 8 hours lost her sense of smell. This isn't atypical for COVID of course but I would say it's different than just a mild cold.

I still feel fine. Negative PCR yesterday and will do an at home rapid before going to work Monday. Not sure how to square the idea that I'm basically continually being exposed but CDC guidance seems to indicate I don't need to do much of anything unless I have symptoms so I have no qualms about testing myself to have a little extra certainty.
is your GF not quarantined? How are you being continually exposed? If ya'll live together, I assume she would isolate herself in a separate room.


Do people really do this? Had a mild case of Covid, didn't isolate from family. No one else got it either.
We did. Christmas sucked. Dec 24 2020 I was diagnosed first, husband and kids stayed together I isolated. Then husband. Both boys stayed together till one tested neg and one pos as we were coming out of isolation. So the neg test went into his room and stayed. He never tested positive, negative antibody test.


Over Christmas that's crazy town. No thanks.


Had the same exact timeline. My Christmas morning gift. I think quarantining was/is the responsible thing to do. I do see most people refusing to test, quarantine or otherwise isolate and live their life since the virus didn't see to affect them much.
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In reply to Less Evil Hank Scorpio • 8:34p, 7/18/21
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GarlandAg2012 said:
My gf tested positive yesterday after finding out some girls from a bachelorette trip she went on last weekend tested positive. 18 in attendance, so far 13 positive tests. All were vaccinated well in advance. Mix of Pfizer and Moderna. Mild symptoms for most, although one apparently has some chest pain. GF only has congestion and a mildly sore throat along with some lethargy.

I have no symptoms yet. I've read its unlikely to pass from one vaccinated person to another which leads me to wonder how so many of them got it. All tested negative for their flights home, symptoms started late Tuesday and into Wednesday for most/all of them.

Variants suck. **** COVID. I was supposed to be celebrating with friends this weekend but now get to stay home for 10 days.

Edit: final tally is actually only 12 of 18. Made a mistake in counting originally.

It seems like everyone has already covered the sh*t throwing back and forth about COVID beliefs so I wanted to point out something hopefully we can all agree on. This is one of the most egregious rule 1 violations I've seen in a long time. Opens post talking about a bachelorette weekend in Mexico and not one single pic in the entire thread. Shame
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SoupNazi2001 said:
Tabasco said:
GarlandAg2012 said:
Just to provide a small update, the group of 12 is split on symptoms right now. 2 are having deep and painful coughs, some are feeling better and some are feeling worse. GF isn't suffering cold symptoms anymore but now is pretty exhausted and just within the last 8 hours lost her sense of smell. This isn't atypical for COVID of course but I would say it's different than just a mild cold.

I still feel fine. Negative PCR yesterday and will do an at home rapid before going to work Monday. Not sure how to square the idea that I'm basically continually being exposed but CDC guidance seems to indicate I don't need to do much of anything unless I have symptoms so I have no qualms about testing myself to have a little extra certainty.
is your GF not quarantined? How are you being continually exposed? If ya'll live together, I assume she would isolate herself in a separate room.


Do people really do this? Had a mild case of Covid, didn't isolate from family. No one else got it either.
Not sure what you are implying here. Are you saying that Covid is not contagious? And are you really trying to extrapolate based on an N of 1?
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So you like to get your family sick? Got it.

I had the flu several years ago. I isolated myself from my daughter and husband for the days I was running a fever. Mostly because I love them and didn't want them to get sick.
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