- Do you know someone who has been vaccinated, but has also come down with a symptomatic case of Covid?
Poll Question: True Number of Vaccinated People Getting Covid
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My total number of fully vaccinated patients who have tested positive for COVID-19 while I was working so far is 7, but five were in the last week.
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Also I can't find any ICU beds for our very sick Covid patients in any of the Hospital systems from Austin north through Waco. Currently boarding a patient in a stand alone ER for over 17 hours. The patient is on four different waiting lists for admission since yesterday morning. Seton, St. David's, and Baylor Scott and White Systems are too full in Austin to even put the patient on a waiting list for their entire hospital systems.
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I know one. She caught it from her vaccinated husband. Last I heard, their symptoms were mild. She was in the middle of the second day of meeting with other teachers when she started having symptoms. It's been six days. I don't know if anyone else caught it.
Damn
How often did this sort of thing happen pre-Covid? I keep hearing from others that this is normal for ICUs, usually during flu season. I have no idea if that is true or not.
Either way, thanks for what you do.
How often did this sort of thing happen pre-Covid? I keep hearing from others that this is normal for ICUs, usually during flu season. I have no idea if that is true or not.
Either way, thanks for what you do.
I know 4. Several family members caught it at a birthday party for a child, the parents of which we later found out were lying about having been vaccinated. The parents had it too and had some bad days, but the 4 in question all had symptoms too. 2 of them involved bad congestion, fever, and chills for about 2 days. Have zero reason to believe that they were also lying about vaccinations.
One of those parents (close relative) is doing better but lost taste and smell. Im glad he's doing better, but hope it doesn't come back for a year.
One of those parents (close relative) is doing better but lost taste and smell. Im glad he's doing better, but hope it doesn't come back for a year.
It happens during flu season to some hospitals, but very very rarely to all the hospitals in a 100mile radius. In fact I've never seen it quite this bad. Maybe briefly in the first round of Covid, but the numbers aren't high enough to merit this kind of ICU bed shortage. The problem is there's no one to staff the ICU. We are in a terrible nursing shortage. Everyone is burnt out and a lot of nurses and older docs have quit.
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two personally
one caught it at what seems to be a super spread event amongst the vaccinated. not verified though.
one caught it at what seems to be a super spread event amongst the vaccinated. not verified though.
Badace52 said:
It happens during flu season to some hospitals, but very very rarely to all the hospitals in a 100mile radius. In fact I've never seen it quite this bad. Maybe briefly in the first round of Covid, but the numbers aren't high enough to merit this kind of ICU bed shortage. The problem is there's no one to staff the ICU. We are in a terrible nursing shortage. Everyone is burnt out and a lot of nurses and older docs have quit.
Yep. It is not the bed space during this surge. We are having trouble staffing every unit in the hospital right now. Nurses are being paid insane bonuses for extra shifts. Even with bonuses, we are still being asked to work above and beyond our typical staffing grid, taking on extra patients. A lot of the nurses who took the government contracts to go to hard-hit areas over the winter are taking the summer off or are waiting for that ridiculous pay to come back.
The good news is that in my experience we aren't seeing a lot of vaccinated people needing to be hospitalized, and the ones that do seem to be recovering much quicker.
Found out about two myself over the weekend, which is the reason for the poll question.
Me
I personally know four, but all cases were mild
The problem is people are going to use this as a reason not to get the vaccine, ignoring the endless amounts of evidence that the vaccines do a great job keeping the symptoms mild and people out of the hospital.
I am still absolutely amazed at how many people do not consult their own doctors.
I am still absolutely amazed at how many people do not consult their own doctors.
The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you never know if they are genuine. -- Abraham Lincoln.
Wife just got a call from her 92 yr old mother's Assisted Living facility that her mother tested positive (all residents were tested after a couple of cases a week ago). She was vaccinated in Feb. No real symptoms yet so may not be an issue other than 14 days of quarantine to her room.
I'm not a scientist or a math guy.agsalaska said:
endless amounts of evidence that the vaccines do a great job keeping the symptoms mild and people out of the hospital.
How would we measure this theory?
In my mind the concept is too nebulous to measure.
Sort of like when a politician says they 'saved or created X number of jobs.'
How do we know this to be true?
The question is:
How do we measure how severe an individual's symptoms would have been had they not had the vaccine?
My neighbor is vaccinated and tested positive a few days ago. He got it from a worker who is building a shed for him.transmitted it while talking to the guy outdoors. He is having allergy symptoms. His 12 year old vaccinated daughter is showing mild symptoms as well.
Sister had Moderna shot (both) and got Covid. She is 51 and only health problem is thyroid. She felt sick for 7 days. No hospital though.
This sounds incredibly suspect. These hospital systems have designated covid wards, typically in a particular hospital. It takes time to expand covid capacity. So this does not point to "OMG hospitals are overwhelmed" it just means beds that are designated for covid are in short supply. So is it covid beds that are scarce or is it really ICU beds are scarce?Badace52 said:
Also I can't find any ICU beds for our very sick Covid patients in any of the Hospital systems from Austin north through Waco. Currently boarding a patient in a stand alone ER for over 17 hours. The patient is on four different waiting lists for admission since yesterday morning. Seton, St. David's, and Baylor Scott and White Systems are too full in Austin to even put the patient on a waiting list for their entire hospital systems.
there's a difference in getting a transfer established and having the patient enter the larger hospital on their own via that hospital's ER
stand-alone ERs can't find beds into larger hospitals (with ICUs) via transfer. that's not bull*****
same thing happened in the winter, but the spike happening now seems faster and the work force is already at the breaking point
stand-alone ERs can't find beds into larger hospitals (with ICUs) via transfer. that's not bull*****
same thing happened in the winter, but the spike happening now seems faster and the work force is already at the breaking point
Nurses are scarce. The beds exist. There are no people to man/woman them.
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cone said:
there's a difference in getting a transfer established and having the patient enter the larger hospital on their own via that hospital's ER
stand-alone ERs can't find beds into larger hospitals (with ICUs) via transfer. that's not bull*****
same thing happened in the winter, but the spike happening now seems faster and the work force is already at the breaking point
This is accurate
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You can't enter just any ICU at just any hospital for covid. That's the point. Most of the hospitals are not taking covid into their ICUs. They are not designated for covid. This has been an ongoing misconception that even medical professionals have glossed over.cone said:
there's a difference in getting a transfer established and having the patient enter the larger hospital on their own via that hospital's ER
stand-alone ERs can't find beds into larger hospitals (with ICUs) via transfer. that's not bull*****
same thing happened in the winter, but the spike happening now seems faster and the work force is already at the breaking point
That's true to an extent, but once again the limiting factor is not that there are no Covid specific beds available. The beds exist. The Hospitals don't have the staff to man the Covid wards. One of the hospitals in Waco (Providence) is about to open a whole floor for Covid patients once they have the staff to care for the patients. They still need people.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:agsalaska said:
endless amounts of evidence that the vaccines do a great job keeping the symptoms mild and people out of the hospital.
I'm not a scientist or a math guy.
How would we measure this theory?
In my mind the concept is too nebulous to measure.
Sort of like when a politician says they 'saved or created X number of jobs.'
How do we know this to be true?
The question is:
How do we measure how severe an individual's symptoms would have been had they not had the vaccine?
That's pretty obvious from the rest of your post
It's embarrassing how mathematically and scientifically illiterate our country is. You don't need an MD or PhD to understand this.
Let's look at everyone who dies from Covid (the numbers aren't perfect, but they don't have to be to be statistically significant). Were they vaccinated, yes or no?
Let's look at everyone who is hospitalized with Covid. Were they vaccinated, yes or no?
Let's look at the total population. What percent are vaccinated.
If 50% of everyone is vaccinated, and 95% of people who are hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated, and 99% of people who die from Covid are unvaccinated, then the vaccine makes a huge difference in outcomes.
I can imagine hospitals are having the same problem hiring low-skill support staff just like other businesses. I can see where staffing is a limitation. But that's a staffing problem not a "covid is spiking through the roof" problem. The fact that laypeople like myself have to learn how ICU covid admitting works in order to sift through the hyperbole is part of the covid fear problem. Your original post above alludes to a covid breakout not a staffing shortage. You're not necessarily being dishonest but you aren't really giving a complete picture of the problem either. It's propagating what is oft referred to here as "fear porn".Badace52 said:
That's true to an extent, but once again the limiting factor is not that there are no Covid specific beds available. The beds exist. The Hospitals don't have the staff to man the Covid wards. One of the hospitals in Waco (Providence) is about to open a whole floor for Covid patients once they have the staff to care for the patients. They still need people.
Me. Fully vaccinated as of 12 weeks ago (Pfizer). Had a 101 fever for 24 hours. Tested positive last Wednesday. Mild cough for two days. Now pretty much back to normal.
Ogre09 said:Stat Monitor Repairman said:agsalaska said:
endless amounts of evidence that the vaccines do a great job keeping the symptoms mild and people out of the hospital.
I'm not a scientist or a math guy.
How would we measure this theory?
In my mind the concept is too nebulous to measure.
Sort of like when a politician says they 'saved or created X number of jobs.'
How do we know this to be true?
The question is:
How do we measure how severe an individual's symptoms would have been had they not had the vaccine?
That's pretty obvious from the rest of your post
It's embarrassing how mathematically and scientifically illiterate our country is. You don't need an MD or PhD to understand this.
Let's look at everyone who dies from Covid (the numbers aren't perfect, but they don't have to be to be statistically significant). Were they vaccinated, yes or no?
Let's look at everyone who is hospitalized with Covid. Were they vaccinated, yes or no?
Let's look at the total population. What percent are vaccinated.
If 50% of everyone is vaccinated, and 95% of people who are hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated, and 99% of people who die from Covid are unvaccinated, then the vaccine makes a huge difference in outcomes.
I get it.
We can measure the difference between deaths of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons. That's a no brainer.
How can we collect and analyze evidence to support the theory that "the vaccines do a great job keeping the symptoms mild and people out of the hospital."
Compared to what?
This still seems like a nebulous concept when vaccinated people are coming down with Covid.
How do we determine whether the vaccine reduced the severity of symptoms and kept people out of the hospital when ~99% of people who get Covid are not hospitalized and do not die from Covid?
This seems like an impossible question to answer with any degree of accuracy.
Badace52 said:
Also I can't find any ICU beds for our very sick Covid patients in any of the Hospital systems from Austin north through Waco. Currently boarding a patient in a stand alone ER for over 17 hours. The patient is on four different waiting lists for admission since yesterday morning. Seton, St. David's, and Baylor Scott and White Systems are too full in Austin to even put the patient on a waiting list for their entire hospital systems.
How many vaccinated are requiring serious treatment?
Here in Utah, the state's covid dashboard isn't reporting cases/deaths by vaccination status but it comes out every once in a while in a local news article:
From July 26 article:
Edit:
Oops found the data here https://coronavirus-dashboard.utah.gov/risk.html
4,507 breakthrough cases, (54,748 total positives since Jan 16) - so 8.2%
298 cases leading to hospitalizations and (2,540 total hospitalizations since Jan 16) - so 11.73%
13 cases resulting in death. (504 total deaths since Jan 16) - so 2.5%
Grabbed the totals from the csv data on https://covidtracking.com/data/state/utah
From July 26 article:
https://www.ksl.com/article/50211884/in-past-6-months-985-of-utah-covid-19-deaths-were-unvaccinated-doctor-saysQuote:
Over the last week, 89.7% of Utah's coronavirus cases had not received vaccines, said Intermountain Healthcare hospitalist Dr. Taki May.
And of the Utahns who have died from the disease since Jan. 16, 98.5% were not vaccinated, according to May.
Edit:
Oops found the data here https://coronavirus-dashboard.utah.gov/risk.html
4,507 breakthrough cases, (54,748 total positives since Jan 16) - so 8.2%
298 cases leading to hospitalizations and (2,540 total hospitalizations since Jan 16) - so 11.73%
13 cases resulting in death. (504 total deaths since Jan 16) - so 2.5%
Grabbed the totals from the csv data on https://covidtracking.com/data/state/utah
I have a pretty small n, (n=7 fully vaccinated people that I personally have tested positive for Covid-19.). What small amount of data is out there has shown a much lower rate of hospitalization among people infected with Covid-19 after vaccination. My personal experience corroborates that so far, but like I said, I've only seen seven.
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Is anyone seeing a common link between unvaccinated persons and vaccinated persons that come down with Covid and are hospitalized?
Are these generally healthy people?
Are these elderly people?
Are these obese people?
People with preexisting issues?
Who are the vaccinated people who are ending up hospitalized?
Seems like people need to know this so they can assess risk on an individual level.
There should be some way to easily quantify your individual risk of contracting covid and individual risk of dying of covid.
We are 18-months in and this has not been done.
Why?
Are these generally healthy people?
Are these elderly people?
Are these obese people?
People with preexisting issues?
Who are the vaccinated people who are ending up hospitalized?
Seems like people need to know this so they can assess risk on an individual level.
There should be some way to easily quantify your individual risk of contracting covid and individual risk of dying of covid.
We are 18-months in and this has not been done.
Why?
SIL is sick with COVID at home. Tested positive. Got pzifer in March. Not going the hospital but still feels like sh*t, laying in bed all day. 30's, runner. Been about a week.
JBenn06 said:
My neighbor is vaccinated and tested positive a few days ago. He got it from a worker who is building a shed for him.transmitted it while talking to the guy outdoors. He is having allergy symptoms. His 12 year old vaccinated daughter is showing mild symptoms as well.
Your neighbor has to be BSing you. I've been working from the get go in a mainly outdoor environment and all cases can be pointed to indoor/close quarter transmission.
On another note, can we now include asymptomatic vaccinated as a category? That leaves the possibility of a lot more people with the virus.
texan12 said:JBenn06 said:
My neighbor is vaccinated and tested positive a few days ago. He got it from a worker who is building a shed for him.transmitted it while talking to the guy outdoors. He is having allergy symptoms. His 12 year old vaccinated daughter is showing mild symptoms as well.
Your neighbor has to be BSing you. I've been working from the get go in a mainly outdoor environment and all cases can be pointed to indoor/close quarter transmission.
On another note, can we now include asymptomatic vaccinated as a category? That leaves the possibility of a lot more people with the virus.
This. The chance of contracting covid outdoors has been shown to be something like 0.10%. Even with close contact it just doesn't happen.
And as an aside- with these breakthrough infections, are we seeing the result of people masking up and locking down to such an extent that they've badly weakened their immune systems? I mean my wife and I had covid and quarantined then despite having minimal symptoms for a very short period of time and we did the 2 week lockdown in March 2020 when this first started. Since then it's been almost totally normal for us in being out and about and mostly doing so without a mask. Similar for our peers too. And none of us have been sick once.
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