***** Game Thread: NCAA Second Round - #3 Texas A&M vs #6 TCU *****

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foulbeast said:

I don't recall ever seeing it with a setter on the right. But TCU was so outside heavy it was a really smart idea to have Emily on the right to block.

Yeah definitely to help with the block. Luckily TCU freeballed it. It's an awkward set if she has to quickly get to the ball and set it.
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mpl35 said:

Gap said:

mpl35 said:

Ag4eva95 said:

She is a starter. She is in the main starting rotation. Just because she doesn't "start" when the official 6 go out there. Emily is a 1st stringer


Yep. She is a starter. To deny that is just stupid.


Pull the stats and prove me wrong.

Key rotation player = yes
Starter = no

You are claiming an idiotic position. She plays more than others. She is a starter. You don't understand. Vb. The 6 in the court at first tip are not starters.

You are just trying to blame me for your lazy use of language.

And for sure call Jaime and have him adjust the game stats for which for some reason they actually record who the starters are as something that is tracked every match during the season.

plays a lot = true
important player = true
key rotation player = true
starter = false

My only purpose is wanting a fair comparison for her when this statement was made "there is only one other outside hitter in the SEC hitting less than .200 that starts." Make the comparison to people around the league in her role. That's all I'm asking.

And for the record, from 12thman.com:

Starts:
Waak 29
Cos-Okpalla 29
Perkins 29
Lednicky 28
Applegate 27
Stowers 26
Hellmuth 2
Humphrey 2
Fitch 1
Morris 1

If the argument was that Underwood is a starter, you wouldn't have heard a peep out of me.
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I'm not volleyball-literate enough to argue playing time situations between Fitch and Hell[yeah]muth. All I know is that Fitch is getting a natty before she leaves Aggieland.
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In 2027 we'll have one of the best players in the country on our team. Sophee Peterson is a '27 commit and just won national high school player of the year… and right behind her in the recruiting rankings is 6'5 outside hitter Isabel Incinelli who's arms can reach the ceiling in Reed lol. By then we'll have an experienced group, Kyndal Stowers as a senior and will have room to hand pick a few elite transfers to round out the team.

Next year to some may be a rebuilding year, especially after losing 9 seniors. But I think we'll still be in the thick of it led by Stowers and Fitch. Our back row play may honestly improve. The only thing that concerns me is middle blocking, but I think we go after a big name there. It's also been amazing for our young talent to sit back and learn all year.
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I love talking about this team now, but especially about the future of this program lol
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Gap said:

mpl35 said:

Gap said:

mpl35 said:

Ag4eva95 said:

She is a starter. She is in the main starting rotation. Just because she doesn't "start" when the official 6 go out there. Emily is a 1st stringer


Yep. She is a starter. To deny that is just stupid.


Pull the stats and prove me wrong.

Key rotation player = yes
Starter = no

You are claiming an idiotic position. She plays more than others. She is a starter. You don't understand. Vb. The 6 in the court at first tip are not starters.

You are just trying to blame me for your lazy use of language.

And for sure call Jaime and have him adjust the game stats for which for some reason they actually record who the starters are as something that is tracked every match during the season.

plays a lot = true
important player = true
key rotation player = true
starter = false

My only purpose is wanting a fair comparison for her when this statement was made "there is only one other outside hitter in the SEC hitting less than .200 that starts." Make the comparison to people around the league in her role. That's all I'm asking.

And for the record, from 12thman.com:

Starts:
Waak 29
Cos-Okpalla 29
Perkins 29
Lednicky 28
Applegate 27
Stowers 26
Hellmuth 2
Humphrey 2
Fitch 1
Morris 1

If the argument was that Underwood is a starter, you wouldn't have heard a peep out of me.


You are wrong and clearly do t understand vball positions or rotations. Everyone here has told you this, but you continue to show your ignorance by arguing semantics. Stowers and Hellmuth are considered our two starting OHs by literally everyone that knows anything about vball. It's not up for debate…this is just a PSA for you so you will stop embarrassing yourself.
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Swollen Thumb said:

I was at the game. Hellmuth was ok at the net, but her serve receive was bad and kept us out of system all night in those rotations. I thought it was a tough night for her.

TCU is good. Fun team to watch and this was a great match to be at!!

Proud of Jamie and this team!!!! Sweet 16!!


Agree with all of this. It was a great atmosphere in Reed. Lots of folks stayed long after to celebrate the seniors
Ag4eva95
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You are so wrong, it's not even funny. I've coached college volleyball and national club teams. What's your volleyball knowledge to tell me I'm wrong?
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My take on attendance - Friday had at least 300 SFA fans plus ?? Campbell and what looked like a pitiful showing (for such a short drive) in TCU section. The turnout for TCU was similar on Saturday, although there were a few more sprinkled throughout.

One ticket covered both Friday games. I think primary difference between Fri and Sat numbers is the extra game and the associated fan base.

Great night and atmosphere, I had to wait a bit after game to get heart rate back down…

BTHO next four opponents!
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Same re: heart rate. That was a great match!
Gap
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Ag4eva95 said:

You are so wrong, it's not even funny. I've coached college volleyball and national club teams. What's your volleyball knowledge to tell me I'm wrong?


You are arguing with the facts literally recorded for all to see. Do I need to post a link for you? Do you understand what getting a start means? Only 6 start each game, not more than that.

Hellmuth:
plays a lot = true
important player = true
key rotation player = true
starter = false

Just facts. You are emoting and telling me that a key player (and certainly an important player) is actually a starter.

Are you arguing with our official stats? Do they need to be corrected?
Ag4eva95
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lol. You are so right. You should go tell coach Morrison your thoughts and opinions. Would love to see the reactions you get
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Ag4eva95 said:

lol. You are so right. You should go tell coach Morrison your thoughts and opinions. Would love to see the reactions you get

We are all rolling our eyes at Gap. Not worth arguing such a ridiculous point. Part of a successful program is attracting new fans that don't know the game all that well. It's like sitting with parents at a jr high game that have no clue what they are watching and couldn't explain a rotation if they tried. Anyway, some new fans are more self-aware than others. Certainly not worth arguing with the latter.
Ag4eva95
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We all know what those parents are like too. I'll join the club and laugh in the background!
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It was a GREAT win, and I am sorry I did not have the opportunity to watch it happen. The highlights are fantastic.

Heartiest congratulations to the players and coaches, and best wishes for continued success!
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Ag4eva95 said:

lol. You are so right. You should go tell coach Morrison your thoughts and opinions. Would love to see the reactions you get

Easy question for you, what does the "MS" column mean in our stats?

https://12thman.com/sports/womens-volleyball/stats/2025
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Dude, just take the loss on this one.

Hellmuth is not a 6 rotation player so when Stowers starts in the front row at the start of a match, Hellmuth doesn't "start". She is still the OH that subs in when the rotation gets the other OH to the front row.

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She isn't a starter. Unless we change the rotation position to have a decent matchup
Applegate tends to be the starter.

When we announce the starters I don't see or Hear Hellmuth.

She is however the second outside hitter. So when discussing the stats of outsides it is semantics to say her hitting percentage doesnt count as she isn't a starter

But a better way to phrase would be all of the outside hitters she ranks X with significant amount of swings


I know what everyone is saying and this whole argument is just wording. Move on from the wording and talk about the actual stats
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Fair and fair. We can be done with this.

Quote:

She isn't a starter. Unless we change the rotation position to have a decent matchup
Applegate tends to be the starter.

When we announce the starters I don't see or Hear Hellmuth.

She is however the second outside hitter.

But a better way to phrase would be all of the outside hitters she ranks X with significant amount of swings

I know what everyone is saying and this whole argument is just wording. Move on from the wording and talk about the actual stats


Quote:

Hellmuth is not a 6 rotation player so when Stowers starts in the front row at the start of a match, Hellmuth doesn't "start". She is still the OH that subs in when the rotation gets the other OH to the front row.

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The six players other than the libero actually start on the floor, and the libero subs in.

Addie, as DS, does get credited for a start if she is out there among the first 7.
'90
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Rewatching the match today instead of in person. Helmeuth actually played pretty well the first two sets.
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bwhitmarsh said:

Rewatching the match today instead of in person. Helmeuth actually played pretty well the first two sets.

I remember she did fine until they stuffed her and then it was hit or miss the rest of the way. She whiffed on a couple serve receive I think but most were not much worse than the rest of the team.
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my initial comment was concerning negative comments by others calling Emily out.
I used the term "nails" and was called out on her hitting % last night. She had 12 Ks. She hit 600+ on Friday. Jaime has her on the court. There must be something he sees in her play.

I told my wife my text would open a Pandoras Box. WE WON, DAMMIT!
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In set 4, she actually returned the ball ok, but we couldn't get the offense going in that rotation with 1 at middle and9 at the opposite. Switching to Fitch was a good move but Helmuth was better than I thought in person. Anyhow, wanted to give Emily her props…she held her own and we will need her moving forward. Go Ags!
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The number one player in the country in the class of 2028, Maya Ogbogu, was at the game last night. She was the MVP for Norceca U17 Continental Championship for Team USA

Absolutely speechless
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yes please

There aren't many places like Reed Arena she's going to experience that!
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Absolutely! Landing Sophee Peterson is going to attract the best hitters in the country!
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bwhitmarsh said:

In set 4, she actually returned the ball ok, but we couldn't get the offense going in that rotation with 1 at middle and9 at the opposite. Switching to Fitch was a good move but Helmuth was better than I thought in person. Anyhow, wanted to give Emily her props…she held her own and we will need her moving forward. Go Ags!

This right here. Great team win Ags, I had general admission seats on got there in time to be on the court. It was a blast!
 
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