Recently Graduated Aggie Struggling

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In reply to dyro • 10:31a, 8/20/24
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I'm glad to read that your grandparents have taken you in. You're in a difficult spot, but hang in there. Hopefully you are helping your grandparents out, as well. They might help you find a job through all of the contacts that they surely have, if they know you would not be letting their contacts down.

May I suggest spending some of your time volunteering for an organization such as Habitat for Humanity? I see it as win-win. You're helping a good organization, and it will be good for you as well, in ways you might not realize yet.

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10:41a, 8/20/24
What movie script is this?


I thought staff put an end to these posts.
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In reply to Wolfpac 08 • 10:42a, 8/20/24
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Wolfpac 08 said:
Not joking - completely serious

From an earlier post:
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have been to hell and back with some of the experiences I have had in the Army. I've lost my best friends, been pushed to my limits, said "**** the Army" hundreds of times and have been absolutely miserable while serving.


My first couple of years post-grad absolutely sucked…but I didn't lose any friends and no one was trying to kill me…


The military has given me everything in life and shaped who I am today. They have provided me the ability to put food on the table and care for my family. I've met some of the most amazing people on earth and been around the world twice. Serving my country was the best decision I have ever made and would never stop someone from doing so.

For some of my Soldiers, it was a means to an end in order to better their lives. I got to see privates develop into amazing leaders.
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In reply to bmc13 • 10:46a, 8/20/24
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don't really have anything to add to the good advice above, but

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I'm one semester away and A&M decides to take my major out of Mays and discontinue the degree. I was the last graduating class in that major. Every semester before the degree had read Mays. Mine read University Studies

that sucks.

Word. Going from a Mays degree to University Studies is a huge **** sandwich.
"I always thought Roy Acuff was probably an *******. I’m a Hank Williams fan."

-Steve Earle
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In reply to DamnGood86 • 10:55a, 8/20/24
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DamnGood86 said:
You have blamed your parents, your Aggie family members, your professors, your advisors, Covid, prospective employers, HEB, your grandparents and pretty much the whole world. I did not see where you fault yourself, at all. I am not trying to be harsh but that type thinking is usually not helpful.

I have messed up a lot of things in my life. Each of those failings were soley my fault, not someone else. I was on the verge of being kicked out almost every semester at A&M, not because I had bad professors but because I did not apply myself. I barely graduated, not because I had bad advisors but because I was a terrible student.

Conversely, every success I have enjoyed is because me. Because I made good decisions or because I worked hard. Many people helped me along the way but rarely when I wasn't already helping myself. If I laid there like a lump, they let me.

I would say look inward rather than outward. Recognize your strengths and capitalize on them. Admit your weaknesses and strive to overcome them. Don't blame other people for your situation. Take pride in yourself and stand tall. Graduating A&M is no small feat; the world awaits.
OP, there are many, many great suggestions on this thread. As good as they are, they won't help until you read and heed this one. Swallow your pride and read DamnGood's post.
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11:07a, 8/20/24
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Nobody mentioned the part where he said he failed classes and got "honor coded." Honestly he's lucky to have a degree at all.

OP, it's time to get over your pity party and go make things happen. You sound like you're sitting around waiting for the world to apologize to you and hand you something for free. Nobody else is responsible for your situation but you, and nobody else is responsible for your future but you.

You have a college degree but it's only useful for a check the box requirement that some opportunities will have. You need to figure out what you want to do. What do you like? What are you good at? And most importantly right now what is there demand for? Are there job opportunities where you live now, or do you need to move away?
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In reply to DamnGood86 • 11:12a, 8/20/24
DamnGood86 said:
You have blamed your parents, your Aggie family members, your professors, your advisors, Covid, prospective employers, HEB, your grandparents and pretty much the whole world. I did not see where you fault yourself, at all. I am not trying to be harsh but that type thinking is usually not helpful.

I have messed up a lot of things in my life. Each of those failings were soley my fault, not someone else. I was on the verge of being kicked out almost every semester at A&M, not because I had bad professors but because I did not apply myself. I barely graduated, not because I had bad advisors but because I was a terrible student.

Conversely, every success I have enjoyed is because me. Because I made good decisions or because I worked hard. Many people helped me along the way but rarely when I wasn't already helping myself. If I laid there like a lump, they let me.

I would say look inward rather than outward. Recognize your strengths and capitalize on them. Admit your weaknesses and strive to overcome them. Don't blame other people for your situation. Take pride in yourself and stand tall. Graduating A&M is no small feat; the world awaits.
i dont think he was blaming just laying out his situation some of yall pretty self-righteous..
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In reply to GumboGuy • 11:35a, 8/20/24
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First: I appreciate every single person who serves in the military so that I don't have to

Second: I'm not saying there isn't some great upside to the military….but man that downside…a lot of risk there

And I'd say I've experienced all the things you described - leading good people, watching them develop into leaders themselves - my civilian career has allowed me to provide for my family and travel. All without risk of death.

Military is great for someone who has always wanted to take that path or someone who has no other options….but man, if you have other options, exhaust them (my opinion)
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11:41a, 8/20/24
If you're called to the military, do it.

You will never regret it.
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In reply to girlfriend_experience • 11:47a, 8/20/24
girlfriend_experience said:
DamnGood86 said:
You have blamed your parents, your Aggie family members, your professors, your advisors, Covid, prospective employers, HEB, your grandparents and pretty much the whole world. I did not see where you fault yourself, at all. I am not trying to be harsh but that type thinking is usually not helpful.

I have messed up a lot of things in my life. Each of those failings were soley my fault, not someone else. I was on the verge of being kicked out almost every semester at A&M, not because I had bad professors but because I did not apply myself. I barely graduated, not because I had bad advisors but because I was a terrible student.

Conversely, every success I have enjoyed is because me. Because I made good decisions or because I worked hard. Many people helped me along the way but rarely when I wasn't already helping myself. If I laid there like a lump, they let me.

I would say look inward rather than outward. Recognize your strengths and capitalize on them. Admit your weaknesses and strive to overcome them. Don't blame other people for your situation. Take pride in yourself and stand tall. Graduating A&M is no small feat; the world awaits.
i dont think he was blaming just laying out his situation some of yall pretty self-righteous..
The opening line is "I feel like A&M has let me down." How do you interpret that?
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In reply to GMMoss • 11:51a, 8/20/24
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Slim Isle said:
If you're called to the military, do it.

You will never regret it.

Unless you die
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In reply to girlfriend_experience • 11:54a, 8/20/24
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girlfriend_experience said:
DamnGood86 said:
You have blamed your parents, your Aggie family members, your professors, your advisors, Covid, prospective employers, HEB, your grandparents and pretty much the whole world. I did not see where you fault yourself, at all. I am not trying to be harsh but that type thinking is usually not helpful.

I have messed up a lot of things in my life. Each of those failings were soley my fault, not someone else. I was on the verge of being kicked out almost every semester at A&M, not because I had bad professors but because I did not apply myself. I barely graduated, not because I had bad advisors but because I was a terrible student.

Conversely, every success I have enjoyed is because me. Because I made good decisions or because I worked hard. Many people helped me along the way but rarely when I wasn't already helping myself. If I laid there like a lump, they let me.

I would say look inward rather than outward. Recognize your strengths and capitalize on them. Admit your weaknesses and strive to overcome them. Don't blame other people for your situation. Take pride in yourself and stand tall. Graduating A&M is no small feat; the world awaits.
i dont think he was blaming just laying out his situation some of yall pretty self-righteous..



Kissing his boo boo and confirming his "woe is me" outlook isn't doing him any favors.
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In reply to DamnGood86 • 11:55a, 8/20/24
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DamnGood86 said:
You have blamed your parents, your Aggie family members, your professors, your advisors, Covid, prospective employers, HEB, your grandparents and pretty much the whole world. I did not see where you fault yourself, at all. I am not trying to be harsh but that type thinking is usually not helpful.

I have messed up a lot of things in my life. Each of those failings were soley my fault, not someone else. I was on the verge of being kicked out almost every semester at A&M, not because I had bad professors but because I did not apply myself. I barely graduated, not because I had bad advisors but because I was a terrible student.

Conversely, every success I have enjoyed is because me. Because I made good decisions or because I worked hard. Many people helped me along the way but rarely when I wasn't already helping myself. If I laid there like a lump, they let me.

I would say look inward rather than outward. Recognize your strengths and capitalize on them. Admit your weaknesses and strive to overcome them. Don't blame other people for your situation. Take pride in yourself and stand tall. Graduating A&M is no small feat; the world awaits.
Agreed. You got dealt some bad cards OP, but at end of the day, you got to find ways to get experience. Not doing internship and getting experience is hard. I never hired anyone without an internship.

Read Extreme Ownership and if you interview with that mindset, that will separate you. Another great book to talk and ask questions. Never split the difference. Help you draw out great information and negotiate. Make yourself better during this time.

Look at construction trades to do estimating/cad/bim.
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In reply to Complete Idiot • 11:55a, 8/20/24
Complete Idiot said:
girlfriend_experience said:
DamnGood86 said:
You have blamed your parents, your Aggie family members, your professors, your advisors, Covid, prospective employers, HEB, your grandparents and pretty much the whole world. I did not see where you fault yourself, at all. I am not trying to be harsh but that type thinking is usually not helpful.

I have messed up a lot of things in my life. Each of those failings were soley my fault, not someone else. I was on the verge of being kicked out almost every semester at A&M, not because I had bad professors but because I did not apply myself. I barely graduated, not because I had bad advisors but because I was a terrible student.

Conversely, every success I have enjoyed is because me. Because I made good decisions or because I worked hard. Many people helped me along the way but rarely when I wasn't already helping myself. If I laid there like a lump, they let me.

I would say look inward rather than outward. Recognize your strengths and capitalize on them. Admit your weaknesses and strive to overcome them. Don't blame other people for your situation. Take pride in yourself and stand tall. Graduating A&M is no small feat; the world awaits.
i dont think he was blaming just laying out his situation some of yall pretty self-righteous..
The opening line is "I feel like A&M has let me down." How do you interpret that?


I think it's more naivety A&M is a diploma mill now no one cares about the individual he probably was expecting more guidance but keep judging
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12:09p, 8/20/24
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Go to a coding boot camp.

Go get certified in AI
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In reply to girlfriend_experience • 12:12p, 8/20/24
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Complete Idiot said:
girlfriend_experience said:
DamnGood86 said:
You have blamed your parents, your Aggie family members, your professors, your advisors, Covid, prospective employers, HEB, your grandparents and pretty much the whole world. I did not see where you fault yourself, at all. I am not trying to be harsh but that type thinking is usually not helpful.

I have messed up a lot of things in my life. Each of those failings were soley my fault, not someone else. I was on the verge of being kicked out almost every semester at A&M, not because I had bad professors but because I did not apply myself. I barely graduated, not because I had bad advisors but because I was a terrible student.

Conversely, every success I have enjoyed is because me. Because I made good decisions or because I worked hard. Many people helped me along the way but rarely when I wasn't already helping myself. If I laid there like a lump, they let me.

I would say look inward rather than outward. Recognize your strengths and capitalize on them. Admit your weaknesses and strive to overcome them. Don't blame other people for your situation. Take pride in yourself and stand tall. Graduating A&M is no small feat; the world awaits.
i dont think he was blaming just laying out his situation some of yall pretty self-righteous..
The opening line is "I feel like A&M has let me down." How do you interpret that?


I think it's more naivety A&M is a diploma mill now no one cares about the individual he probably was expecting more guidance but keep judging
"Judging"? I'm reading.
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In reply to girlfriend_experience • 12:14p, 8/20/24
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A&M has always been a big school - it's bigger now, yes - but it's not like it was some 10k student population private school. "Caring about the individual" was never a thing.

I had an advisor that met with me for maybe 20 minutes at the beginning of each semester. He was dismissive and unhelpful and trying to get me out of his office as quickly as possible. He'd look at the classes I took the previous semester, tell what I should take for the upcoming semester, and it wasn't until our last meeting at the beginning of my last semester that he asked "where's your freshman business calculus course?"

I had no idea what he was talking about because I just took the classes he told me to take in order to graduate when I planned to graduate. Yet he still somehow blamed me.

I was able to get into the class, but that meant adding another class to my already full course load (along with working 30-40 hour/week).

These stories aren't new.
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12:16p, 8/20/24
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TSTC is the best thing the state of Texas does, if you're interested in technical career training. Certain fields guarantee job offers or they refund your tuition. They only get state funding if you find meaningful employment.
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In reply to Wolfpac 08 • 12:23p, 8/20/24
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And he's not the first kid who couldn't hack it in A&M engineering school and had to lower expectations. Happens to dozens of students every semester for decades.
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In reply to Ogre09 • 12:25p, 8/20/24
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And he's not the first kid who couldn't hack it in A&M engineering school and had to lower expectations. Happens to dozens of students every semester for decades.
I was a Civil Engineering major for all of a semester until Math 151 told me that I probably should change my plans.
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In reply to Charpie • 12:32p, 8/20/24
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Charpie said:
Go to a coding boot camp.

Go get certified in AI
then watch AI take your job in 6 months.
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In reply to Wolfpac 08 • 12:41p, 8/20/24
Same here. I worked at the mall as a store manager just to get by until something popped career wise. Took a solid year of nose to the grindstone applying and interviewing to get into my field. I was dirt fcking poor my first few years out of college.
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In reply to Wolfpac 08 • 12:52p, 8/20/24
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Wolfpac 08 said:
First: I appreciate every single person who serves in the military so that I don't have to

Second: I'm not saying there isn't some great upside to the military….but man that downside…a lot of risk there

And I'd say I've experienced all the things you described - leading good people, watching them develop into leaders themselves - my civilian career has allowed me to provide for my family and travel. All without risk of death.

Military is great for someone who has always wanted to take that path or someone who has no other options….but man, if you have other options, exhaust them (my opinion)


We are all offering suggestions based on our line of work and providing the young Aggie some options. Trade school, retail, private/public sector….all good options for hard workers.

But you continuing to tell him not to join my profession, one in which you have very little understanding of, is a bit disingenuous. Wouldn't you say? Then doubling down on the second page saying "don't join the military"….

What's your deal?
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Military is a great option for many young people. I come from a family full of college graduates on both sides but my youngest brother had enough of college after 2 years, joined the Air Force, and had a great 20 year career there and is using the skills and access levels gained to command a high paying job post AF retirement, while still pulling that AF retirement money. Saw the world, met great people, has been highly successful. Certainly results vary but like with most things it provides opportunities and you have to grab them.

0.04 % of the 1.3 million actives Armed Forces members died on active duty in 2022, that's 511 total deaths and ZERO of those were due to hostile action. They were all accidents, homicide, or to be determined. Again, year to year this can differ greatly depending on US involvement. I doubt that percent is much different than electricians or construction jobs (although again, 2022 must have been a low point for active duty fatalities)

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In reply to GumboGuy • 1:52p, 8/20/24
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I wouldn't say I have a "deal"…it's just that the military is the only suggested profession that's been caveated with something like this:

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have been to hell and back with some of the experiences I have had in the Army. I've lost my best friends, been pushed to my limits, said "**** the Army" hundreds of times and have been absolutely miserable while serving.

Not to mention risk of things like PTSD that can hamper you once your service is up.

And as for the death rates, I'll take your word there…but I'd say Israel/Hamas (and to a lesser extent, Russia/Ukraine) have put us in a position where that 2 year old stat may not be as relevant. Especially in what looks to be one of the more volatile election years we've seen in recent history.

Again, just my opinion, but I don't think you have to have military experience to see that joining the military comes with a much higher level of risk than other professions. And the upside can certainly be gained in non-military professions.

A general risk/reward assessment would rationally put this at the bottom of the options list.
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In reply to Complete Idiot • 1:58p, 8/20/24
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Could not agree more. I work in San Antonio and happen to get to see a lot of loan applications for "Retired" Air Force members.

It's usually goes something like this:
Primary Income: Some DOD/Civil Service contractor of some some sort - 6K to 10K per month.
Then it's Air Force Retirement Income: 4K to 6K per month
Then it's some level of VA benefits that can be another several thousand a month.

Not a bad way to go.
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In reply to Wolfpac 08 • 2:22p, 8/20/24
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Jesus Christ man. There are hundreds of jobs in the military that will not see combat. You make it sound like a death sentence. You can PTSD from anything as well, don't get why you're so hung up on bashing the military option. Tons of great jobs that easily transition the civilian world, you can come out way ahead of your industry peers.
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Hey, I could be wrong…as I've said in just about every post: just my opinion

No need to get worked up
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Just getting back to the OP, in my opinion I think you will figure things out if you just keep grinding and stay positive. I certainly understand your frustration, it took me until after I graduated to line a professional job up and I was meanwhile working at the same job I had a lab when I was in school. It felt scary, an uncertain time. In my case, a connection who provided a good recommendation paid off - it was fortunate and unexpected. But keep working and making some money, it feels good, while also continuing to pursue leads and new opportunities. You had some bumps along your college career with the pandemic, bad grades, whatever the honor code thing was, changes to major, the Mays college designation change - bumps, sure, but you DO have a Texas A&M degree. It does carry weight, it does get you in doors, it will pay off eventually.




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In reply to Complete Idiot • 2:53p, 8/20/24
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Well said.

I'll add: don't just blindly listen to bozos like me when pursuing career advice. Do research for yourself. Try things out. Talk to people in different fields.

And don't pigeonhole yourself. I took a crappy sales job making $8/hr selling home security over the phone, that led me to management and then operations. It's a career I never saw myself in, but I've found it aligns really well with my skill set.

I've also seen people parlay small time sales/customer service jobs into marketing, management, finance…if a company is willing to give you a chance, go for it.

Job skills can be taught…hard work can't. Show you're willing to work hard and take ownership in all aspects of your job (no matter how crappy) and the sky's the limit for you.
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In reply to Complete Idiot • 2:56p, 8/20/24
Complete Idiot said:
girlfriend_experience said:
DamnGood86 said:
You have blamed your parents, your Aggie family members, your professors, your advisors, Covid, prospective employers, HEB, your grandparents and pretty much the whole world. I did not see where you fault yourself, at all. I am not trying to be harsh but that type thinking is usually not helpful.

I have messed up a lot of things in my life. Each of those failings were soley my fault, not someone else. I was on the verge of being kicked out almost every semester at A&M, not because I had bad professors but because I did not apply myself. I barely graduated, not because I had bad advisors but because I was a terrible student.

Conversely, every success I have enjoyed is because me. Because I made good decisions or because I worked hard. Many people helped me along the way but rarely when I wasn't already helping myself. If I laid there like a lump, they let me.

I would say look inward rather than outward. Recognize your strengths and capitalize on them. Admit your weaknesses and strive to overcome them. Don't blame other people for your situation. Take pride in yourself and stand tall. Graduating A&M is no small feat; the world awaits.
i dont think he was blaming just laying out his situation some of yall pretty self-righteous..
The opening line is "I feel like A&M has let me down." How do you interpret that?

Sorry to take a tangent, but it does happen.

I was in a similar situation in 2008. I felt that my MBA school let me down, that is how I looked at it. It is a well known top ranked university. I went to evening school after work, paid about $120k of my own money after tax on a single income without taking a loan (and no one else funding and no trust fund). The whole goal of an MBA is to get a better job in a better area with more money. The school let us do campus recruiting but because of the recession, most companies either withdrew from the process or just did fake interviews and were not hiring at all.
The story is okay until here.
What the school did was deny us a chance to do campus recruiting the following year. That pissed me off. We were on our own to find another job with no campus help. 2009 recruiting was only for the next batch and we could not compete with them.

I ended up finding something but I have not let go of my anger. I don't contribute any money to the university and I don't take part in any alumni events.

On the other hand A&M's campus recruiting at John Koldus Building helped me find my first job. I didn't get it in my first semester of looking but they let me use it for as long as I wanted.
Thank you Texas A&M.
That is why I proudly wear A&M shirts in my part of the country and have an A&M license plate and an A&M decal on my back window of my car. I follow Aggie football and other sports. And yes, my daughter wore an A&M hoodie to school today.
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I don't know where you're located, but I just heard an ad for these guys on The Ticket. Sounds like they're hiring for installation techs. They have locations all over the DFW area

https://callwelborngarage.com/careers/
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To Struggling Ag
Let me start by letting you know, I am a man that has had the opportunity to live a long life. I am class of 1963. I have seen a lot, and I have learned a lot through living life. As my years on this earth grow shorter, I would like to offer some advice, to not only you, but all Aggies in your age range.

You obviously have struggled and you feel defeated. Your trials of trying to figure out things , is overwhelming you and you feel lost, and alone, and in need of support, and some structure. Life is considerably tougher when you feel isolated and alone.

Life, believe me, is short. Shorter than you or any of you can imagine. Wasting any of it by being unhappy is a shame. When I was in A&M, I and thousands of students have no real idea what they want in life, have no clue what to major in.. And many times, after a degree, people end up working in careers that have no connection to what they majored in.

It is obvious to me, you really have no clue what you want to do , what area of a career. You just don't know, and many don't know what they want until years down the road. I mean years. You may have 4 different careers before you reach 50. It is not unusual that you don't know. So, don't dwell on that. I think maturity comes later than we think. We learn things. And it's not just knowing facts and having knowledge of things, what you develop with age is wisdom. That comes with time and experience.

I am going to parrot what others on this board have suggested. I STRONGLY suggest you go to the Military. It will provide several things you need , right now. Stability, direction, time, knowledge, contacts, mission and purpose and significance in life. You will come out with a skill, a payable skill. You need a break. The military will let you breathe, give you freedom from worry with how and what am I going to do. You will find that out. You will know with certainty what you are supposed to do. And that is actually comforting.

Go into the Air Force. Go to Officer Training School, Become an officer. Eventually command men and learn leadership skills. Have medical assistance for the rest of your life.

I went to Vietnam. I came back a better man for it. I came back with self confidence, with a sense of accomplishment, and an understanding of what is important and what is not. I spent 4 1/2 years in the Military.

I think the time in the military would give you a break, you will know, when you come out of the military what you will do , and you will be a better person for it. Good luck, young man, I hope you find comfort in knowing people care. I certainly do.
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