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Jesse gonna confess to being Heisenberg. That will hurt Walt. There goes his legacy. Grey matter all over again.

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I kept trying to think of something out of the box, like he starts making the blue meth again, but that wouldn't work since the DEA is not going to let him make meth and sell it.


And the DEA is not going to let Jessie hurt anyone, so violence is out.

This is perfect.

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That said, I'll admit that I'm struggling a little with his flipping in the way he's done it because I do think he's confessed to everything - including child murder, with no sort of immunity. That's nucking futs. I realize he's not thinking clearly because of rage over Brock and he's back on meth, but he's looking at taking a needle in the arm or life with no parole even if he brings Walt down.

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This. Anyone who has "lived" in the criminal realm for an extended period of time knows that talking to cops hurts you more than it helps.

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And yet you would be absolutely amazed how often these same people immediately talk to cops when they have been caught. Sometimes they tell the truth. Most of the time they create some kind of unbelievable story to try to get themselves off.

Jesse knows this, this is why he has never even said a word to the cops before.

He is talking now because all he cares about is taking Walt down, with no regard to himself.

Who do you guys think Jesse would confess to? hank? he wont believe it.

At first I thought the lottery ticket was pointless, but then I questioned why they even bothered showing us the ticket in the first place. It has to come back at some point when a cop looks at it and questions why he needed a lottery ticket.

One of the themes to the whole show has been how Walt has never been able to get the credit he craved for doing everything. Walt Jr was so proud of Hank for catching bad guys when really it was Walt who had taken them out. Jesse could definitely hurt Walt by claiming Heisenberg title, but not sure how this is going to really help Jesse. I'm trying to figure out how Jesse will get away from Hank

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Who do you guys think Jesse would confess to? hank? he wont believe it.

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What?

Jesse told hank that walt was retired so there was no way to catch him in the act. If Jesse were to confess that he was Heisenberg the only way for Walt to prove he was heisenberg is to start cooking again. And since his recipe is conveniently in demand(todd and his goose steppin homies) that would get the meth wheel moving again.

Jesse just wants to hurt walt and hank would go along just because it gives him the chance to catch walt again.

when Jesse grabs the spray can of yellow paint, we'll know

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Why would Walt care if Jesse did that? It is not as if Walt was going to print up shirts that say "I cook the best meth in America". The people that are in the business know who the real Heisenberg is. And Walt is at this point satisfied with what he was able to do.

Walt should have killed Jesse when he had the chance.

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What?

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The folks above suggested Jesse would confess to being Heisenberg.

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The people that are in the business know who the real Heisenberg is.

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Very few do know who he is. The rest that did are dead. If it's announced in the mainstream (news) that jesse is heiseberg I think it will tug at Hank's ego.

Then again, who's to say jesse isn't heisenberg. It's crystal blue meth, and he haylped.

Next Episode (Episode 5 of 8) name - To'hajiilee (this is place where Walt and Jesse first cooked and where the money is buried.

Episode 6 name - Ozymandias (A poem about the great works of previous empires falling into ruin - what was it all for?)

Where does Walt "really live"? In his own head - his own self image? How do you get him there?

Take from that what you will.

So it sounds like 6 is when it falls apart and he is on the run and 7 something happens to mak him come back and 8 is him coming back. Sounds great.

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And Walt is at this point satisfied with what he was able to do.

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agree with this. the money in the desert is the legacy.

like he said last year, he's trying to recoup his "kids' birthright".

"remember my name"

yeah man, i think that's on pg 1 ITT

Damn, I could actually see that happening...

Having Hank hold a press conference announcing he has caught the drug King Pin Heisenberg, then introducing Jesse as Heisenberg is a great idea. It would definitely hit Walt "where he lives" and force him into doing something stupid to regain his legacy. I'm not sure how this gets us to the end game, but it would be pretty interesting to watch Walt react to Jesse being named Heisenberg.

What does it say about this point of the show that I spent a few minutes trying to figure out what it means that the only lower case letter spray painted on the wall is the "i"? I didn't come up with anything, but a show that makes you think that stuff is great.

I f***ing love this show. It's so hard to predict, and that's what makes it so great.

The theory you guys are floating is pretty brilliant though, and I think it's the best theory yet.

although i think the money is the true legacy, jesse doesn't have any idea about its location

so that's out, unless he or hank turns into batman all of a sudden

so attacking the ego is the easy play, but is walt still vulnerable? if so, why would he ever retire?

the pile of money that they could never spend was the realization of his self-worth IMO. he could flee at any time (even now) and live out the rest of his life as Heisenberg (with Lydia's help) if that was his overarching motivation.

it goes without saying that something is going to happen to the money. the lottery ticket will get logged in a DEA evidence warehouse or some tweaker will try to redeem it and then throw it in the trash after being rejected. or, as speculated, Saul had a GPS tracker planted in the barrels or on the van.

More cool points for AP.



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As for predictions, I don't think there is any way Jesse is warning Walt if he did take the phone. Jesse will never forgive Walt for poisoning Brock. He could be making another call, but it isn't to warn Walt.

Jesse also knows that Walt won't be dumb enough to fall for coming back into the cook game just because he (Jesse) claims to be Heisenberg. That would potentially let Walt get away with everything if he chooses to just walk away. Jesse won't risk that.

So where does Walt REALLY live? You could say Jesse will go after his family but Jesse won't touch Walt Jr. and I doubt he would go after Skylar. Jesse knows Skylar is just as much as a victim as he is. That leaves his money or something else we haven't thought of.

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That would potentially let Walt get away with everything if he chooses to just walk away. Jesse won't risk that.

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better point than i made

Walt's ego won't let Jesse take credit as the best meth cook in the country.

There was one scene a few seasons back where walt was very possessive of his territory (threatened a bunch of meth cooks in the parking lot of a store) and numerous other scenes where he marvels at his work and what he has established. His ego is what little jesse knows about walt. Go for his money? He has no clue where that's at.

One things for sure is we know walt has to skip town via saul's guy or whatever. so why do that if he's free and clear because jesse confesses? [I realize this might prove that jesse doesn't confess to being heisenberg but still might follow my line of thinking of walt coming back to cook because of it].

Who knows. I'm going to miss speculating about all this s***.

So when Jesse was telling Hank "He's retired, you can't catch him."

Was that out of loyalty to Mr WHite or just telling Hank he will fail?

I think he was saying, "look if you don't have any evidence beyond what I'm about to tell you then you're hosed because Mr. White is out of the game now and it will just be my word against his."

If Jessie claims to be Heisenburg he would then have to be arrested and thrown into jail. He has already said that he will not go to jail for the fact that Walt can get to him while he is inside. It would upset Walt more than just about anything else, losing credit for his work. But Jessie would be risking a lot on a hope that Walt will make a mistake because of the move and allow Hank to take him out. I don't see any reason why Jessie would agree to making such a claim

White's whole plan to ward off Hank centers around him chucking his ego and saying Hank did it all. If Jesse claims credit, Walt will be home free.

I bet Jessie goes after the criminal empire that is Walt's legacy, especially Todd the child killer. Bust those guys, get Lydia to flip on white, expose him as Heisenberg before his son and show skylar its not over.

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To be fair, I don't think Walt ever intends that confession tape to get out. He probably only expects Hank and Marie to ever watch it.

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ooooh... that's good.


But does writing "Heisenberg" in spray paint on his wall really expose him.

And does anyone outside of the DEA and drug dealers/junkie know who Heisenberg is?

Ooooh... wait!!!! Walt Jr is the one who spray Paints heisenberg on the wall after he finds out!

And the flash forwards are Walt working with the DEA to take down Lydia and Madrigal with the deal Walt made.

The deal was: I'll help you do this, but only I go to prison. Skylar and my family are protected.

The final scene is Saul finding the lottery ticket, deciphering it and shows him digging up the money. (Or Badger in place of Saul ).

The point of this entire series is to show a good person slowly turning into a monster. Walt working with the DEA to take down Madrigal and Walt going to war in order to rescue Jesse do not play into that theme.

The past couple of episodes have shown that Walt still has some humanity. Walt still wanted to talk to Jesse and work things out when everybody else has been telling him to kill him. Sure, Walt tried to manipulate Jesse into leaving and getting a new identity, but at least he didn't want to kill him. Walt was also adamant with Saul about not killing Hank because Hank is family. Sure, he did the video which you may argue is almost as bad, but killing Hank would've been worse.

Walt still hasn't broken completely bad yet. But he will. I expect Walt to end up killing just about everyone when this is all said and done...or at least trying to.

The "blue" has already gone to **** and Walt doesn't give a damn. And the DEA isn't going to let Jesse cook. So while Walt's empire was his pride and joy at one point, I don't see that being the target to "hit him where it hurts most" now. Also, Walt already surrendered his pride over being "Heisenberg" with the confession that Hank was the man. He knows Jesse knows the truth, Hank knows the truth, and the Lydia and Co know the truth - so I don't see the motivation in protecting an empire he already let go of. Walt's entered his "end game" phase where simply staying out of jail, keeping Walt Jr unaware, and keeping his money are his priorities. I don't think the empire or Heisenberg really means as much to him now. That said, I won't rule out them going there with the story, although it will take some solid writing to make that leap believable to me now (which they've proven plenty capable of). Maybe it's a different shot at his pride, not just the Heisenberg aspect.

I still think it comes back to Walt's family (including his supporting of them - the cash) in some way. Jesse and the DEA won't intentionally put them in danger, but maybe it works out that way indadvertently.

They also keep making it clear that getting Walt is first priority for Hank, so I do think he plays some role in the family being harmed/killed - whether it's putting them in harm's way, not protecting them when he should have known beter, etc.

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