No one outside of Hank/Gomez know anything.

The search team showing up is about the only way they can go now IMO, and that'll be pretty weak.

Using Walt as a shield would basically require Walt doing so on his own (at this point Hank doesn't know that Walt isn't expendable to the nazi's, he has no idea why they are there). And Walt is Hank's white whale, he isn't using him as a shield.

But even using Walt as a shield -- 70% potency "blueish" meth or two DEA agents that you just tried to kill unleashing the law enforcement world on you? There isn't anyone worth the nazi's keeping alive in exchange for that.

Hank (and likely Gomez) live. You just don't pass up what would have a breathtaking ending to the episode tonight to start all over next week with them dying. Doesn't make sense. It ended that way because something keeps them from dying.

I just don't see what that something will be that won't deserve a pretty big eye roll.

[This message has been edited by free_mhayden (edited 9/8/2013 10:10p).]

My thoughts

Walt is wearing blue shirt - not an accident - he will cook again

My previous theory of Gomez being dirty - I thought that was coming true in the end! Hank cuffs Walt and then Gomez shoots Hank and let's walt go. But doesn't look like it now.

Todd's lust for Lydia will come in to play - maybe wont kill her if pressed to.

Know idea where Jesse goes from here.

So, so good!!!

Hank says "i think you should stay here until I come back with search team"

then later says "I'll call the tribal police on my way out to let them know I'm here---I gotta make a phone call alright"(where he calls marie)

So let's end any speculation a search team could possibly be coming out there. That's not the way the dialog happened.

edit for Tribal--my bad... but point remains the same.

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My thoughts

Walt is wearing blue shirt - not an accident - he will cook again

My previous theory of Gomez being dirty - I thought that was coming true in the end! Hank cuffs Walt and then Gomez shoots Hank and let's walt go. But doesn't look like it now.

Todd's lust for Lydia will come in to play - maybe wont kill her if pressed to.

No idea where Jesse goes from here.

So, so good!!!

Tribal police

Watching Talking bad.

Cranston spilled the beans enough to understand the ending of this episode. I won't divulge as not to spoil it.

I also could be reading to much into what Cranston said.

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So let's end any speculation a search team could possibly be coming out there. That's not the way the dialog happened.

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Did you re-watch or going by memory? I thought he might have said "You wait here for the search team", not necessarily for Gomez to wait for Hank to bring them specifically. I could be wrong though.

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just re-watched. Hank did the talking and said he'd come back with a search team, then said he'd call tribal police.

Gomez wasn't told to or didn't offer to call anyone

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Hank: I'll take him down for booking, ok? I think you should stay till I come back with a search team.

Gomey: You got it

Hank: I'd take the kid with me, but I they'll probably kill each other on the way.

Gomey: Congratulations buddy.

Hank: Thanks. I'll call the tribal police on the way out and let em know we're here. I'm gonna make a phone call

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calls marie.

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Free, I just don't see the writers pulling a double save in a single scene. Nazis save Walt, deus ex machina saves Hank, it is just way too ridiculous to be plausible.

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fify

edit: tribal police works too.

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Hank and Gomez dead, Jesse gets away, smears Walt (paints Heisenberg in his house) Marie kills skyler out of revenge, Walt machine guns nazis and gets killed in a blaze of glory. Jesse lives. My predictions.

Remember: the shoot out takes place at the first place they ever cooked; Jesse will escape and hide out in the nearby cow house until the heat blows over...

It just doesn't make sense for Hank not to die at the end of that episode and instead die at the beginning of the next one.

It would be Gilligan taking the volume to 10, with a chance to go to 11, then pulling the plug on the sound and starting from 0 next week.

Why build tension like that then just start over?

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Bilbobag what did he say? Put a talking dead spoiler with space

Actually pm I didn't realize you had stars

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My previous theory of Gomez being dirty - I thought that was coming true in the end! Hank cuffs Walt and then Gomez shoots Hank and let's walt go. But doesn't look like it now.

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Thought the exact same thing

Ya I kept expecting Gomez to pull the gun on hank the whole time they were arresting him

Because he wants a more emotional death that wouldn't have fit into this episode, because he wants to drag out the death, because of some unforeseen reason? I'd be incredibly annoyed if Hank makes it out alive. You already have the world's luckiest meth dealer in Walt, I really don't care for the world's luckiest DEA agent in Hank, as well.

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Using Walt as a shield would basically require Walt doing so on his own (at this point Hank doesn't know that Walt isn't expendable to the nazi's, he has no idea why they are there). And Walt is Hank's white whale, he isn't using him as a shield.

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Hank isn't dumb. He could put it together easy. Plus Jesse told him about Todd and his aryan uncle/hitman. And if it came down to saving his "white whale" and living... He probably go with living.

I think Gomez is a goner but I think hank makes it through this with Walts help. He will be shot up but not dead

This bad ass crew took out Declan's whole team with ease, but couldn't take out two fat DEA agents in the wide open armed with only a pistol and a shotgun? Gtfo. Weak ass ending.

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Even if Hank and Gomie aren't hit you have to think the Nazis have way more ammo than the two of them. Let Hank and Gomie expend their weapons, then the Nazis will have them over a barrel. Ransom situation perhaps?

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Yep...they bright enough ammo to arrest one man. The nazis bright enough for a shoot out with 3+ men.

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This bad ass crew took out Declan's whole team with ease, but couldn't take out two fat DEA agents in the wide open armed with only a pistol and a shotgun? Gtfo. Weak ass ending.

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I finished the episode 5 minutes ago and my hands are still shaking.

The moment the handcuffs went on him, I knew Hank wasn't making it home.

Holy. ****ing. ****.

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This bad ass crew took out Declan's whole team with ease, but couldn't take out two fat DEA agents in the wide open armed with only a pistol and a shotgun? Gtfo. Weak ass ending.

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This bad ass crew took out Declan's whole team with ease, but couldn't take out two fat DEA agents in the wide open armed with only a pistol and a shotgun? Gtfo. Weak ass ending.

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agreed. with what sounded like (with the camera focusing on lydia cowering underground) precision. made tonight's ending a little annoying.

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Because he wants a more emotional death that wouldn't have fit into this episode, because he wants to drag out the death, because of some unforeseen reason?

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Then why not end the episode with Hank clicking the handcuffs on and leave the tension build for the beginning of next episode?

I dunno, just seems like seeing Hank and Gomez gunned down there would have been a perfect ending to that episode. Hank feeling like he finally got his white whale, his pride causing him to make a phone call to his wife before the job was complete leading him to still being there when the nazis arrived, Walt's shock when he realizes it's not just bad, but now REALLY bad.

And then instead of the two agents that easily would have been gunned down pretty quickly manage to make it from wide open desert to the shelter of the tahoe for the fade to black of the episode... and now waiting a week and trying to re-generate that same kind of tension?

I could be wrong, and I'll give the writer's the benefit of the doubt -- but either they don't understand pacing (which I find hard to believe), or Hank survives the shootout.

All reasons for why this show, while great, and definitely in the top 10 for me, will never be the greatest show of all time.

although i think they made them out to be careless once again with the scene of todd finishing his cook (uncle taking off his mask wanting a smoke and "we'll just add food coloring"). that still doesn't make sense of them taking out declan's crew with precision and then not being able to hit two agents with autos out in the open, however.

There is really no point in the conversation with Marie other than to throw the audience for a loop, if that is the case, which I think cheapens the story. It's like turning that scene into a parody. Maybe they didn't do it like the way you said because they figured it was pretty obvious that everyone knew the Nazis would come anyways. These aren't exactly the greatest writers ever, and IMO, that sentiment will be even further verified if they allow Hank to survive. I just hope they are able to give Hank and Gomie a proper send off next week that doesn't feel like the audience is getting ripped off.

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I guess the only thing I can see happening (that would need more time than what they had left in this episode) is Hank and Gomez having a bonding moment behind the Tahoe before going out in a blaze of glory (in front of Walt's eyes)... though that would be just about as cliche as the "call to the wife saying I'll be home soon" before dying. Wouldn't make it bad, just really, really cliche.

But if that happens, I think they really missed the boat from a pacing/tension standpoint. So much build up and then... we'll finish this up in the first 5 minutes of next week's episode!

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My god. That was an incredible ending and you guys are dumping on it. These guys are now horrible writers?? WTF??

Popeye Doyle never waived..so i think it was premature with Hank doing so.

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seriously? did you have the shivers?