Eggxactly. When you're being shot at it feels like forever. Walt standing there facing a machine gun, it can feel link forever when it's really just a few seconds.

That was a joke.

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There is no way the last part of the episode was supposed to be real time

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Is this directed at me with the Jesse phone call and Walt's drive out there? Or is this about the shootout?

Because I don't know if there was any part of the Jesse phone call that we didn't hear on camera, unless I am just making that up. The call started with Walt running out of the car wash, we heard all the dialogue, and then the call ended when Walt arrived at in the desert. I agree there could've been missing parts in there, but the phone call sounded continuous, or am I way off on that?

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Taking out Declan's crew was done at close range

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wtf do you call that last night? they werent exactly making wind calls and elevation adjustments.

See the pic I posted in page 124. It's not THAT close. Plus there are cars and doors between them.

I think just the fact that Hank survived the shootout with the twins it's unlikely he survives this one.

Kind of a been there done that kinda thing that I think the writers would try and stay away from.

It's close enough that both DEA agents would have been smoked within the first few seconds.

1. The writers haven't really been tricking us too often with weird outcomes, so I think Hank & Gomez definitely die.

2. Walt still hasn't broken completely bad. The writers are doing a good job of letting his softer side shine through, specifically by him trying to call off the Nazis and not wanting Jesse or Hank to die.

3. With Hank & Gomez dead, does the recording of the phone conversation die along with them? And all evidence they've uncovered? And the video of Jesse? Or do you think it's possible that somebody will find it all?

4. When Hank called Marie, I knew he'd die.

5. But I think Marie will kill someone before the end of this show...or at least try based on the conversation she had with her psychiatrist last episode.

6. The Nazis don't know about the money. Now only Walt & Jesse do.

7. I think the Nazis capture Walt and/or Jesse & force them to cook. Somehow Walt will escape, use his money to buy the gun, and come back to save Jesse.

8. Regardless, the gun is definitely intended for the Nazis.

9. I wonder if Hewell's storyline is over yet. He's still being guarded in the safe house, and I assume the orders were to keep him there until Hank returns...which won't happen.

10. I'm not sure about the ricin though. I'm guessing it will be for Jesse, Skylar, or Marie. He will want to kill that person, but he won't be able to do it while looking them in the eye. So he takes the easy way out and poisons them.

EDITED BECAUSE I KEEP TRANSPOSING "HANK" & "WALT" LIKE A MENTALLY CHALLENGED PERSON!!!!

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what about the guys left behind at Andrea's house? they weren't at the desert shooting scene. could be they're now going to take Andrea and Brock hostage to get Jesse, after he escapes through the desert.

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I think the guy in the passenger seat outside Brock's house had the shotgun in the desert. In fact, it's the same car, same driver. They must have hooked up after Walt called.

I just rewatched the shootout.

Right before the shooting started, Todd's Uncle turns to fellow bad guy and nodded. As in, "It's time to execute the plan."

Fellow bad guy takes a bead with his gun and takes carefully aimed shots. To quote John Cleese in Silverado when Danny Glover was hitting cactus limbs all around them, "You fool, he's hit everything he's aimed at."

I think they were missing on purpose, per Walt's plan.

More of the dichotomy of Walt. Not truly bad, not truly good.

Oh, and I figure all Walt has to do is get the recording back, if he's worried about it.

And he's back to no evidence and doesn't really have to kill Hank and Gomey. He might anyway, but then why tell them to miss.

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I think they were missing on purpose, per Walt's plan.

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4. When Walt called Marie, I knew he'd die.

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Superdave, I think Walt told Todd's crew to miss hank/gomey on purpose.

Heck, it looked like they were shooting closer to Walt than them.

No clue on the next steps of the plan.


Oh, and the guys watching Brock's house were playing pool in Todd's uncle's house when Walt called them from the desert. Not sure if that makes sense.

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Superdave, I think Walt told Todd's crew to miss hank/gomey on purpose.

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why do you think that?

THe way Todd's uncle looked at his partner, and kind of nodded.

Partner takes careful aim from about 20 yards ... and misses.
Todd, who popped the kid on the motorcycle like Wyatt Earp, now can't hit the broad side of a barn. None of them can.

In case you were asking what their reasoning was, I think Walt may have called them back and told them to do it as part of a plan.

Don't think it's part of any plan involving Walt, but very possible they were missing on purpose.

maybe they're just pinning them down so Todd can get out and flank 'em with his pistola

or maybe they're just redneck nazis

Don't think they were missing on purpose. Just a little pow pow show for the audience. There will be a flash back/forward type episode next week that will reveal what happened at the shootout. But my thinking is after walt called off the hit the nazis were all pissed and drove down to reservation(at light speed mind you) to go get their cook.

My ****ty predictions:

Most likely scenario is that we open up on Gomey dead. Hank is shot and bleeding out. Jesse has run. Walt climbs out of the car and crawls to Hank, trying to apologize similar to how he tried to apologize to Mike. Hanks tells Walt that he's going to hell, dies off.

Walt gets up, tries to flex to Todd's crew. Todd's crew puts Walt in his place. ("We don't work for you. You better realize who's running this deal." Etc. Etc.). Walt is forced to do a cook for Todd's crew when they threaten his family.

Wild ass predictions for the coming final episodes:

1) Marie tries to kill Walt to avenge Hank, accidentally kills Skylar. Runs off with Holly.

2) Todd's crew takes Walt, Jr. hostage to force Walt to cook after Walt walks out. The M60 in Walt's trunk is for the crew to try and save his son.

3) Jesse survives and ends up with Walt's money at the end of the series. Gives half to Walt Jr, half to Brock.

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Superdave, I'd buy that, too

Don't see why anyone would "miss on purpose" when the people you opened fire on (to purposefully miss) have firearms pointed right back at you.

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Jesse survives and ends up with Walt's money at the end of the series. Gives half to Walt Jr, half to Brock.

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Quarter to him, Walt Jr., Brock, and Mike's Granddaughter.

I don't know yet either, nudist. But it sure seemed like they were.

Not sure if this had been said but here's what I'm thinking might happen.

Hank and Gomez have to die. Walt refuses to cook for the Todd & Co. since they killed Hank (family). Nazis threaten Walt and family (possibly kill family) and Walt is forced into hiding. Meanwhile, Jesse is forced to cook in Walt's place. Walt uses the gun against Todd & Co. to save Jesse.

I think it sounds pretty possible at this point.

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Don't see why anyone would "miss on purpose" when the people you opened fire on (to purposefully miss) have firearms pointed right back at you.

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They did have vests on.

As long as Hank and Gomie die in the next stage of the final scene, the shootout really isn't that far fetched. From the posted photo it appears they are about 40-50 yards apart. The first person to fire is firing an automatic shotgun. I presume he is shooting slugs (it appears he is). The first shot is the probably the only accurate shot he will get off. In a firefight it is VERY hard to hit a target of any kind...moving or not due to the adrenaline. The guys shooting the AR variants have the best chance of hitting anything as long as they are not shooting auto. I can't remember if they were or not. The ones shooting pistols would be lucky to get a good shot off due to all the above mentioned reasons. Distance is critical in this scenario.

But, the neo Nazis are geared up for a firefight and they have ballistics on. Hank and Gomie aren't wearing any type of ballisics that I remember. They are significantly outnumbered. Their suburban is down for the count and they can't get to any other cover or transportation without significantly exposing themselves. They have no backup coming and no one knows where they are (given current info). If they don't die in the next setting of that scene it will be unbelievable for me.

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i think the next episode will start with a reshowing of some part of that scene (maybe Hank on the phone with Maria), then the shootout will happen and we'll see the ending, which I agree has to be with Hank and Gomie dead.

This would be similar to the opening of Season 2 when Tuco beat the **** out of his partner.

Were they shooting at Jessie also? Most of the attention was geared toward Hank and Gomez but their initial mission was to off Jessie.

Just can't recall if the car was shot up as well.

They're focusing on the imminent threat, i.e., the two guys with guns. Jesse may slip away briefly (and may have actually already left the car) but he can't get far without a vehicle.

So, Walt finally busts Hank. I'm glad he had his moment with Skyler there at the end on the phone. Gus might be safe in Hank's car, but that depends on if Tuco is able to reach him before he speeds away. By the way, I think Tuco was shot at one point? Anyhow, I hope the cartel doesn't kill everyone and leaves a lot of evidence behind, or else the Nazi's might catch wind of it, and you'd have a full brown drug war going on, which is a lot to fit in just a few remaining episodes.

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Missing on purpose doesn't make any sense. These guys are unmasked firing at DEA agents. There is absolutely no realistic scenario that they decide letting them live makes sense.

Holding Hank hostage to force Walt to cook is a possibility, but that is assuming they knew the target they went out to the desert for was Hank, and unless Walt made a followup phone call to tell them that (which would make little sense), they don't. Likewise it wouldn't really fit much into the show -- Walt isn't stupid enough to think that if they have Hank hostage that there is any scenario where they let Hank go free.

So we're left with either Hank escaping death -- which would be an eye-roll worthy deus ex machina -- or Hank dying after some kind of dialogue with Gomez/Walt, which personally I think would be pretty poor pacing racketing up the tension to 10 and then fading to black and resetting next week... but we'll see how the writers handle it.

How awesome would it be if after the final credits after the final episode....they cut to Huell sitting in the empty hotel room saying, "Hello?"....then he wheezes one more time.

effective range of an AA-12 firing slugs is 100 m

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So we're left with either Hank escaping death -- which would be an eye-roll worthy deus ex machina -- or Hank dying after some kind of dialogue with Gomez/Walt, which personally I think would be pretty poor pacing racketing up the tension to 10 and then fading to black and resetting next week... but we'll see how the writers handle it.

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Didn't you already post all of this yesterday?