He pulls out the gun to mow ppl down and it isnt loaded right or jams or something.

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In many ways, I've always been more of a Skylar supporter than a Walt supporter. What if you, out of nowhere, learned that your spouse got diagnosed with a terminal disease, started smoking weed, dissappeared for days before walking into a grocery store 100s of miles away completely nude, lied to you about receiving charity from a friend for cancer treatments, lied to you about leaving for a weekend to visit his mother because he has a terminal disease and wanted to spend time with her one last time before dying, started cooking crystal meth, incited 2 crazy murderers to nearly kill your brother-in-law, caused a team of trained hit men to come kill you and your entire family, murdered people in the 1st degree, convinced you to help manipulate an innocent businessman into selling his business to you under false pretenses so that you can actively help your spouse launder drug money, caused you to lie to your entire family about everything, and is essentially holding you hostage in your own home. And that's merely the stuff she knows about.

Wouldn't you be a little *****y, too?

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well said. so basically, walt gets to put the family in a horrible situation, and somehow it's all skylar's fault for not being more supportive of him? man, that's some serious stand by your man bull****.

B**** shouldn't have ****ed Ted!

right, cuz up until then, walt had been a saint.

I think we can all agree that manufacturing and selling drugs and murdering people is not near the same ballpark as sleeping with someone else when it comes to marriage fouls.

7nine has a point.

The reason this show will go down as an interesting study of the human condition is because you can't just watch it. You constantly put yourself in Walt's shoes in an effort to answer the question "What are you capable of?" when it comes to protecting and providing for your family.

There's just something impossibly compelling about Walt (and specifically, the way he's played by Cranston).

It's been said before, but the thing that makes Skyler unlikeable is that she's hypocritical about it all. She loves the money, but she hates what Walt does to earn it. She wants to get involved to help Walt succeed in the drug trade (carwash was her idea along with the fraud scheme to obtain it), but not with the dirty work that goes along with it. She wants Saul to send his goons to force Ted to do something, but then she's despondent when Ted gets hurt. Etc.

What's more, I don't think it's really fear that has her so depressed and *****y. It's the fact that she's not in control anymore. She has bullied and manipulated Walt for decades, and it's not working anymore. She's reduced to looking for small, spiteful victories where she can get them, like sending the kids away for a couple days.

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right, and walt isn't hypocritical at all. he's out to protect his family, and yet, he's continually put them in harm's way.

Skylar's no saint, but there have been any number of moments where Walt could have made a good decision for his family and he didn't, mainly because of his ego.

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what did walt do to skylar?

Some of you. Wow.

Skylar has a major case of the "you're not the man I married". Plenty of women justify being with ssholes, criminals or sociopaths because they love em or because they tolerate em for their money. In skylars case she loved him, she wronged him, and he still keeps her, oh and she gets the benefits of the money eventhough she didn't earn a dime of it.


Ungrateful bttch.

Really?

I mean, really, did you just post that?

Troll is such a beating...

Does it occour to any of you bashing Skyler that she knows he'd kill anyone to further his cause?

Well then maybe she needs to not be such a grumpy whoore and play nice with Walt...her attitude isn't winning her any favors at this point

On Walt vs Skyler:

Walt is in process of going from the protagonist in the 1st season, so becoming the full blown antagonist in this last one. Skyler could play into that story in many different ways. Her hands are dirty, but as of right now, she doesn't have the heart to really break bad still, as it appears like Walt does.

Walt's initial situation is protrayed as something you can sympathize to some degree in the first season. He seems to just want to help his family out, and their financial situation going forward. But, then comes the outs he's had to stop cooking meth, and chances to turn things around, the murders, etc, and he's become a much different person by continuing his path down the "dark side" than what he started out as.

I love how Walt is acted out in this series. There's this odd combination of sympathy and moral gray area when he got started, and what he has been becoming, is something you can really no longer symapthize with.

Yet for some, if you still remember who he was at first, and if you manage to hang on to that enough, you can still sympathize with him. If you forget his beginning, and look at his present evils, he's already a monster that is hard to sympathize with.

Stepping back, while Skyler can be annoying at times, and is also no perfect Saint at this point by any stretch of the imagination, she still hasn't done nearly anything as bad as what Walt has done so far. So, as far as standing on the moral high ground goes, she stands on higher ground than Walt, but the bar is set so low it's easy to end up disliking both none-the-less.

I'm not sure it's proven he'd kill anyone to further his cause. He did have Hank and the family protected when Gus was threatening them. He has proven he'd kill anyone he did not view as family, but he hasn't gotten to the directly harming family point yet.

Which is why I think this week's episode was important as it showed the transition of him placing the "family" onus on Jesse and his kids as opposed to Skylar.

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Then maybe she should try to stonewall a killer, sounds like she has a death wish.

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right, and walt isn't hypocritical at all. he's out to protect his family, and yet, he's continually put them in harm's way.

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Fair enough. I just don't have a problem pulling for the flawed, good-hearted bad guy. Walt has just recently crossed the line of not being that for me. So, while I'm not wishing bad things on him yet, I do watch him with a lot of disappointment and maybe a bit of disgust now.

Skyler just hasn't grown on me much, and maybe there's not a good explanation for why. She was just so off-putting from the beginning. Now, she's even more off-putting but she might have good reason for it? Ok, I guess.

My opinion of Jesse really has done a 180 though. I used to get so frustrated thinking about how much better off Walt would be without the unpredictable, unreliable, and immature Jesse. Now, Jesse might be the most level-headed and rational character on the show (him or Mike anyway). I guess that's a combination of Jesse maturing and everyone else regressing.

I really think he ends up killing her. And with a cast of actors so talented, the actress that plays Skyler has really held her own.

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Yet for some, if you still remember who he was at first, and if you manage to hang on to that enough, you can still sympathize with him.

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I think you're onto something there. IIRC, Doug Christie gave up on Walt a long time ago, and I'd bet that's because he was regularly reevaluating Walt's character from the first time he made a decision inconsistent with "doing it for family." Meanwhile, until very recently, I've been watching Walt through the lens of who he was in Seasons 1 & 2. He's just been getting gradually more disappointing to me.

I really hated that Walt poisoned Brock, and I still do. I remember trying to think about that in a vacuum, setting aside all the bad decisions that led to the situation. Basically, Walt put Brock's life in danger to save the lives of Skyler, Walt Jr., Holly, and himself. Most people would make the same decision. I don't think I was the only one trying to find something to make that ok. I remember in the Season 4 thread folks telling themselves that Walt knew exactly how much ricin Brock could survive, etc.

Finally caught back up on the last two episodes. God damn, what a fcking great show. Both great episodes, Hazard Pay especially. And agree with everyone about the Walt/Skyler scene. Damn.

I've been trying to decipher the meaning of the clock at the end as well...

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I've been trying to decipher the meaning of the clock at the end as well...

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Not sure it's been mentioned, but the ticking of the clock changed to the sound of a gun cocking at the stroke of midnight. I think it's pretty clear the meaning is that time is running out, things are coming to a head.

Walt has the least amount of sex a drug kingpin has had in the history of the world

But the shrewd wife is really the victim in the relationship.

Personally, I think what makes Skylar so un-likable is that she's just not good looking enough to be such a smug ***** all the time.
Walt needs to off her and upgragde to a younger more attractive version. Preferably one with a slight meth habit that rewards him with kinky sex on the regular.

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Personally, I think what makes Skylar so un-likable is that she's just not good looking enough to be such a smug ***** all the time.
Walt needs to off her and upgragde to a younger more attractive version. Preferably one with a slight meth habit that rewards him with kinky sex on the regular.

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what did walt do to skylar?

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Nothing. Which is exactly my point. Walt did everything in the interest of protecting/saving and providing for his family. Skylar acted selfishly and broke her marraige vows.

Kill the ho.

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Nothing. Which is exactly my point. Walt did everything in the interest of protecting/saving and providing for his family. Skylar acted selfishly and broke her marraige vows.

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This.

I think Old Walt was easily cowed by Skyler's man jaw.

The Heisenberg Walt will kill her whoooor ass to protect his children.

I for one hope does off her and then introduces Walt Jr. to his new 20-year old hot ass Latina step-mom.

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I think you're onto something there. IIRC, Doug Christie gave up on Walt a long time ago, and I'd bet that's because he was regularly reevaluating Walt's character from the first time he made a decision inconsistent with "doing it for family." Meanwhile, until very recently, I've been watching Walt through the lens of who he was in Seasons 1 & 2. He's just been getting gradually more disappointing to me.

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I think this is probably true. For me, I started giving up on Walt when he outright rejected the money from his former partner, and then as he descended further into the abyss. letting jesse's girlfriend die, putting his family, Hank, etc. in danger. Maybe he didn't intend harm, but it became clear that he was making decisions that were negatively impacting people he supposedly cared about. and now, he's still doing it, for what? money? is that really what his family wants and needs now?

I don't disagree that Skylar hasn't done wrong, but if we're tallying points here, Walt has gone so much further than Skylar ever did (especially when you consider that Skylar was placed in a situation where she had little choice than to either go along with Walt's plan or turn in her husband and ruin her family's life). walt was the one that forced her to make that choice. some family man...

http://www.npr.org/2012/08/06/158196312/dean-norris-on-playing-good-in-breaking-bad

Entertaining interview with Dean Norris (Hank). Spoilers if you aren't all the way caught up.

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Walt did everything in the interest of protecting/saving and providing for his family.

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His ego and pride have always come before his family. He never gets into the meth business if he isn't too proud to have his treatments covered by his former business parter. Walt Jr getting attention via his donation website and the resulting tv interview burned Walt up on the inside since he hated looking like a charity case. Now Skyler is a hoar for sleeping with Beneke, but at this point, she's really the only one doing anything for the sake of the family. For Walt, the family is now just a convenient excuse to keep engaging in a business that is far more about fueling his increasingly overconfident ego.

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Walt Jr getting attention via his donation website and the resulting tv interview burned Walt up on the inside since he hated looking like a charity case

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Walt's ego didnt get in the way of that.

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He never gets into the meth business if he isn't too proud to have his treatments covered by his former business parter.

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you mean taking charity from the guy that takes Walt's credit?