He is "Empire building" per next weeks preview. He is really going off the deep end.

That kid's blood is on Walt's hands. When you make it clear to a professional thief, who is trying to impress you, that no one can know about the heist, what did they think was going to happen when the kid showed up?

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"The point is, no one, other than us, can ever know that this robbery went down. Nobody. Got it?" -Jesse
"Yeah, absolutely." -Todd
"Are you sure?" -Walt
"Yes, sir." -Todd

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And not to be too much of a jerk, but how can some of you guys forget about the kid through the episode? He was shown at the beginning for a reason. As soon as Mike Jesse and Walt were out looking at the spot for the heist I knew the kid would show up and have to be dealt with. It added some great drama to the scene to see when the kid would show up, and how he would be dealt with.

They should've called the kid over & broke his neck. Would've been easy to explain as an accident. Now they will have to dig out the slug & make it look like he impaled himself on something or burn the body where you could find the gunshot wound.

They don't want people searching for a missing kid down there. Questioning the train being stopped... Tracking down the native in the 4x4... Eventually identifying Saul's redhead who does look like the kind of guy that would have a kid in his basement.

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And not to be too much of a jerk, but how can some of you guys forget about the kid through the episode?

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This. The show does a great job showing you WTF scenes/moments at the beginning of episodes and/or series, and then tying them together at the very end. Also, you hear the train at the very end of the opening scene with the kid...pretty much knew he'd be coming back that episode the second the train heist was brought up. Then again, I guess that last 10 minutes or so was pretty intense stuff so I could see people's minds pushing that aside.

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Now they will have to dig out the slug & make it look like he impaled himself on something or burn the body where you could find the gunshot wound.

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What about putting his body in one of the holes where the tanks currently are, once they dig them up?

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And not to be too much of a jerk, but how can some of you guys forget about the kid through the episode?

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i didn't forget, but i could see how it could be easy. Those opening scenes don't always have a direct tie-in to the episode airing. Additionally, there's a lot going on in the show and the viewer was just taken through a pretty "tense" moment. It's not hard to get caught up in the storyline that is front and center concentrating on characters that we've known for many seasons.

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They should've called the kid over

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He was on a motorcycle, they were on foot and there was always the chance that he would just take off.

My original thought on the kid was he just caught a pet spider and later on in the season his parents would have the fumigators come over. Having accidentally left the spider in the house they go in and see Walt and Jessie cooking leading to Walt & Jessie having to deal with parents coming to get the spider out before the fumigation.

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And not to be too much of a jerk, but how can some of you guys forget about the kid through the episode?

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YEAH!!! How could anyone get sucked into an intense show plotting about a train heist and forget about some kid you've never seen before? Idiots.

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What about putting his body in one of the holes where the tanks currently are, once they dig them up?

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I would think they would put him in the back of the dumptruck and dump him far far away from where he was expected to be.

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I completely forgot. That train heist was so intense that by the time it was over, I was so "relieved" that they hadn't gotten caught that I was yelling "yeah, *****!" right along side Jesse. So much so that when the kid on the bike showed up, I was as surprised as he was.

It was awesome, awesome writing.

Like I said earlier, I genuinly thought the spider would be the bigger factor in that opening scene, not the kid. Plus, I've just learned to compartmentalize those open scenes in my brain since they rarely have much to do with what's going on in that episode.

I don't know that the opening scene has ever played a role in the plot (within the same episode) like this one did. The plane crash debris didn't come into play until the end of the season in season 2. The illegal aliens finding Hank's "grill" on the river bank had no effect on the plot. The mariachi band singing about Heisenberg being dead and not knowing it yet was really just symbolism. The

The only scene that I can think of off the top of my head that was similar was the episode that began with Jesse's car half destroyed and making that repetitive engine sound after the shootout between Hank & Tuco. But even that didn't involve the car showing up out of the blue unexpectedly with 4 seconds left to go in the episode.

Gale opening boxes with the boxcutter comes to mind as an example of an opening scene coming back at the end of an episode. I'm sure there are more.
A better idea than burying the kid would be to drag him out into the desert for coyotes, vultures, etc. to remove the evidence.
Let's hope some government computer tracking the internet didn't just flag that last sentence.

blood dripping on the floor in S4 when Jesse kicks the chit out of Walt.

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Now they will have to dig out the slug & make it look like he impaled himself on something or burn the body where you could find the gunshot wound.

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What about putting his body in one of the holes where the tanks currently are, once they dig them up?

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You don't want a full blown search for a missing kid that could uncover the train robbery.

Give the cops what they are looking for & make it look like an accident.

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He was on a motorcycle, they were on foot and there was always the chance that he would just take off.

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Lure him in with a question or ask for his help like most abductions.

If he runs you'd always have the gun as a last resort.

The kid: What are you doing?
Team Walt: Nothing run along
The kid: ok


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The kid: mom, I saw some people pump stuff out of a train today.
Mom: oh, that's nice
The kid: Check out this spider

I get so immersed in what is going on, that I tend to forget the first scene unless I make a conscious effort to make myself remember it. I was surprised when the kid was there, then I thought, "of course, the kid is there". Could not believe Todd shot him - crazy.

As for the disposal of the kid, I'm sure they'll put him in a barrel, never to be seen again. They might even take the bike. They are on a very dark road. It's wild how, in the beginning, it seemed like Walt was a flawed protagonist. Now it seems he really is "bad", and maybe was so all along. I mean, what good person would start cooking meth - for any reason.

I thought the kid was going to find Todd's body or something.

In the preview it looks like someone uncovers a body. And it did look like the dirt from the dump truck.

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I say take him to Jesse's and put him in a bathtub with a concoction of chemicals...Just make sure it's a downstairs bathroom.

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Team Walt: Nothing run along
The kid: ok


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The kid: mom, I saw some people pump stuff out of a train today.
Mom: oh, that's nice
The kid: Check out this spider

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Team Walt

It was either that or Team Lily of the Valley

I haven't seen anyone else including critics pick up on Jesse thinking of the plan to rob the train while playing with a straw in his drinking cup, as seen below. The light bulb comes on while he is playing with that straw and releasing the hold on the top of it which makes it release the fluid. Along the lines of draining the methalynene from the train. Or am I reading too much into that (with Gilligan, I doubt it).

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Vamanos Pest!

The thing (to me) about the kid is that I couldn't place him in one and only one time. Was this a flashback? Flashfoward? Present day? With no context at all, I couldn't tell.

I wasn't surprised to see him again, but I didn't think much about him after the opening scene.

Anagrammatic Nudist, cool gif. I think your analysis is spot on!

AN, that was absolutely intentional. Noticed it right off the bat.

http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/making-of-episode-505-dead-freight-inside-breaking-bad

if any of y'all wanna watch some behind the scenes on how they created that scene. They called it the most ambitious scene in BB history.

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I'm trying to remember what Walt was doing when duder shot the kid. I don't think he sanctioned it, and I am certain that he didn't pull the trigger. How Walt responds is what's going to be the rub vis-a-vis him and Jesse.

Also, I think this was the best episode of the series to date. Cranston's acting job in Hank's office was so great.

I had forgotten about that kid too. I was so immersed with the heist.

I forgot about the kid in the middle of that whole intense scene as well, but when they showed him at first, I wasn't surprised to see the kid, just sort of had a "oh, there he is" moment ... What did surprise me was how quickly that one dude just waved and then shot him, and right then I had a "WTF - no!" moment, right along with Jesse.

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AN, that was absolutely intentional. Noticed it right off the bat.

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Yeah, I guess it might be so obvious that it didn't warrant mentioning by Sepinwall, et al, but I thought it was a pretty cool metaphor that set off Jesse's light bulb moment. Usually Sepinwall picks up these kind of moments and at least mentions them.

This show is just simply unlike any other in history when you have so many viewers, critics, etc, getting giddy about picking up small things in the show such as this. Perfection.

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I'm trying to remember what Walt was doing when duder shot the kid. I don't think he sanctioned it, and I am certain that he didn't pull the trigger. How Walt responds is what's ...

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As for Walt's reaction, I posted this back on page 35.

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I backed up the DVR several times trying to watch Walt. He is stone-faced as Todd pulls out his gun. My wife thought that Walt might not've been watching Todd and might not've realized he was pulling out a gun. But Walt is blurred in the background when the gun fires, and he doesn't seem to jump at the sound at all. It's a little ambiguous and I might be looking too closely. But it seemed to me like Walt was either in shock, with it all happening too quickly for him to react, or he was indifferent.

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I don't think Walt noticed that Todd had pulled the gun until that kid was dead.

I think there is a better chance that a new cartel (or unseen remnants of the Juarez group come back) or another international/domestic criminal group emerges rather than the Chilean stuff coming back into play.

Gus's ties are 30+ plus years old and if his past ties come into play, I think it will be the stuff with Germans and Madrigal.

I think the Vamanos Pest group may have some connections to something bigger. Saul mentioned they often cased houses for other outfits.