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I don't think Walt noticed that Todd had pulled the gun until that kid was dead.

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That's what my wife said, and I tend to agree. The only problem is that Walt is in the background when the gun fires, and he doesn't flinch. If you weren't aware that someone pulled a gun out, you'd probably jump noticeably when it fired a few feet away from you.

But, like I said, Walt was blurry and in the background of that camera shot. In backing up the DVR and observing that he didn't flinch, I might be overanalyzing.

Personally I think the cartel angle has been played out. The show is now about:

Walt and his ego
Walt vs. Mike
Walt vs. Jesse (via Jesse's inevitable discovery of Walt's "murder" of Jane)
Walt vs. Hank (via Hank's inevitable discovery of who Walt really is)

I could easily be wrong, but I feel like they are going great lengths to show that there really is no one above Walt right now. He is at the top, and in the future will only have to deal with those people right in front of him.

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Just like the Brock storyline, the Jane storyline is closed, over, finished. No reason at all to bring it back up. She was a junky who OD'ed. Walt just happened to witness it. You have a dead kid to drive a wedge between Walt and Jesse now.

Cartel could go either way. Personally, I think the group is going to need more pressure to break. That could come from Hank (likely), the Cartel (possible) or both (possible).

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You have a dead kid to drive a wedge between Walt and Jesse now.

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Exactly. Jessie has cleaned up and actually has a conscience. I can see Jessie rolling on the operation in the long run making Walt go on the run via Saul changing his identity. Could be Walt coming back for a great showdown with the DEA/Jessie in the end.

Walt has always taken it as a point of pride that he can control Jesse. If he doesn't respond harshly to Todd, he will have lost all of his power over Jesse. Jesse won't be controlled by someone that kills kids.

I agree with you. Walt values Jesse over some seemingly expendable thug (plus Mike looks like he is pissed off about it to in the previews).

Walt may not be all that bothered by the killing itself but he knows he will have to make an example of Todd at some point (see Gus and Victor) for the benefit of the other two.

I have a feeling Todd might have more dangerous connections than we know about and anything they do to him could have serious repercussions.

Walt has been too spot-on manipulative this season to blow it in my opinion. Like someone else said, he'll be happy for a moment and realize how Jesse is reacting and then mimic the reaction. I could see him punishing Lance in some way in front of Jesse, while making sure he is rewarded behind the scenes.

I agree that the Hank/baby scene set up them eventually adopting her in the future.

Walt jr needs to be found with blue meth. That needs to come home. But would that be too predictable?

Shoulda have the kid a hundred bucks and explain to him that he found it out in the desert and that was all he found.

I hate to jump off subject here, but can you believe we're already up to 1300+ posts after only 5 episodes!! And in the grand scheme of things, these episodes haven't even been that exciting or outrageous.

As a point of reference, BB season 4 maxed out at 1002.

Walking Dead season 2.5 is currently at 1569. It had 6 episodes and continued to get residual posts for a while after the final episode (just like BB does).

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these episodes haven't even been that exciting or outrageous.

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What? Go post here.

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Personally I think the cartel angle has been played out. The show is now about:

Walt and his ego
Walt vs. Mike
Walt vs. Jesse (via Jesse's inevitable discovery of Walt's "murder" of Jane)
Walt vs. Hank (via Hank's inevitable discovery of who Walt really is)

I could easily be wrong, but I feel like they are going great lengths to show that there really is no one above Walt right now. He is at the top, and in the future will only have to deal with those people right in front of him.

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I thought they were doing exactly the opposite. Walt knew nothing of madrigal, Lydia, the suicide, DEA interview/investigation, or Mike's team.

Every step Walt takes to save his butt creates a bigger problem down the road.

You don't buy one M-60 to fight the DEA. Cartel or competition is my guess.

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Plus the fact that Walt knows those guys. Yeah, he's "broken bad", but he's still not shooting Steve Gomez in the gut with a machine gun.

Yeah, I would think Walt is after either the cartel/Chile or Mike with the machine gun. Money says cartel/Chile. Family murdered (Skyler, maybe Walt Jr) either while he was in hiding (so they kill his family to get at him) or causing him to go into hiding to buy time to circle the wagons; then he's coming back for revenge and going out in a blaze. I think both Jesse and Mike end up dead or in jail somewhere along the way, but that Walt's showdown is not with them. I do think the Chile angle will come into play at some point and may very well be the focal point to of the machine gun ending.

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We are 11 episodes from the end. If it's gonna end with a cartel shootout they better introduce the conflict in the next couple of weeks.

I think all of the main players have already been introduced.

Ya, they cant just leave the mystery of who gus really was hanging. They have to bring back the chile story line. Also didnt alot of nazis flee to chile after wwII? And they in business with a german company? Hmm...in not sayin, im just sayin.

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. Now they will have to dig out the slug & make it look like he impaled himself on something or burn the body where you could find the gunshot wound.

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Have you forgotten about the episode a few seasons back where Walt put some bodies in a plastic barrel with some acid to dissolve them? I think that's what they will do with the kid's body.

the scene of the crime....

http://binged.it/RNqHUv

What do you think? The trestle looks a little different than in the show (wood vs stone(?)), but some of the Bing images are a few years old, so maybe it was replaced recently. The trestle location and the crossing look to be a match.

Plus, the SFSR only runs one a tiny little piece of track, so there aren't many other options.

http://www.sfsr.com/index.html

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I am in the empire buisiness

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Have you forgotten about the episode a few seasons back where Walt put some bodies in a plastic barrel with some acid to dissolve them? I think that's what they will do with the kid's body.

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Like I said in the other post... You make it look like an accident & give the cops a body.

A missing kid will draw to much attention to the area.

If you can make the body disappear, why does the attention matter? So they're combing the desert hundreds of miles away from both Albequerque and Houston, looking for a kid that they won't find. How would that matter?

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Can you imagine if you're the parents and the kid just disappears?

wouldnt you think the search dogs might pick up on the scent in the area they were at and find the buried liquid?

You would think their best shot at coming off clean is to make it look like the kid died some other way and make sure his body is found so the cops dont go looking around the area.

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Can you imagine if you're the parents and the kid just disappears?

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I was thinking this today while I was reading this thread. Hard to think about, but as a parent I'd want to know what happened to my child. If I thought it was an "accident" I would think it would be easier to deal with as a parent.

I know this has nothing to do with the show but just a thought.



Double Talkin' Jive...

interesting thought about walt jr. Overdosing on meth
skylar trying so hard to protect the kids from walt, but he finds a way to harm walt jr indirectly

skylar then has no reason at all to cover for walt

then skylar smokes a ricin cigarette, and she's a gonner


I think on walts 52 birthday, his gun is meant for Madrigal woman, as she has shown she's willing to do anything to protect herself

Wasn't that woman's daughter speaking spanish? I wonder if she could have some connection to chile, possible relative of Gus? Sister? Although one would think Mike would handle things differently with her and she would be much more composed

Good thinking. No one in Houston has a Hispanic nanny.

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wouldnt you think the search dogs might pick up on the scent in the area they were at and find the buried liquid?

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I assume they'll be pulling those tanks out of the ground regardless of what they do with the kid's body. They have to get the liquid back to Albuquerque anyway. Even if they hadn't killed the kid, it wouldn't make much sense to leave the tanks in the ground with residual amounts of methylamine inside, only to be discovered eventually by rail/bridge maintenance workers or something.

The town forms a search party. The kid and the bike are missing. They search where he rides around looking for spiders. It makes it around town. The local with the big 4x4 mentions the stalled truck to the cops. They think the kid might have climbed into one of the cars so they track down the train. They have 3 witnesses describe Saul's guy who probably has a record.

Not to mention them not wanting the added attention in the area they are storing/moving all the Methlymene. Are they going to take a chance storing 800 gallons of it in the small storage shed they are working out of now?

Or you can avoid all that by making it look like an accident.

Take the dead kid, gank out the slug, bash his head in until the kill shot is unrecognizable as a bullet hole, wait til a late night train is coming through and push the kid and his bike on the track and let the train do the rest.

It would never work in real life, but it's pretty plausible in Breaking Bad.

I thought the kid was shot in the chest. I could be wrong, though.

Catch that reminded me that I believe just about all trains have a few cameras on them.

They probably have video of Saul's guy looking nervously at the train & signaling Mike.

Would any of you be upset if Gilligan had some kind of a brain injury and decided to go Weekend at Bernie's with the kid for the rest of the show?

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That's what it looked like to me.

Nobody mentioned the possibility that the kid might just be severely wounded in need of a hospital.

That would force a very interesting Walt vs Jesse vs Mike standoff.

For some reason I thought it was the head. But I only watched it the one time. Though I still think they could make it work.

Once they get rid of the kids body the search for him will not come up in the show again is my guess. It's going to be about the conflict the murder creates within the group, they aren't going to have a search or murder investigation into the kid become part of the show imo.