I didn't get choked up, but I know it will hit me harder on subsequent viewings, especially when he sees Walt Jr, knowing it's for the last time, and that he can't say goodbye to him.

There may have been a very slight amount of dust flying around in my eye. The setup for me was when he finally acknowledged why he did it, particulary the look on his face right after he said it made him feel alive. Cranston is just nails.

relative to the Nazis, was Walt good?

Is there any way they don't sweep the Emmys next year?

After these 8 episodes, it's hard to argue that Cranston, Gunn, Paul and/or Norris don't deserve an Emmy, and another one for Best Drama series.

The big disadvantage is the show will be almost a year gone and won't be in the zeitgeist as it is now.

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Relative to them? Maybe. In general, not really, but he came very close to redemption in my eyes.

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yep. as great a show this is/was...a year from now a lot of voters will have moved on...many of them even wondering why such an old show is nominated for "this years" emmys (forgetting it ended in late Sep).

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There may have been a very slight amount of dust flying around in my eye. The setup for me was when he finally acknowledged why he did it, particulary the look on his face right after he said it made him feel alive. Cranston is just nails.

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This. Was happy he admitted it was for himself. It may have started as a way to make $$ for his family but he had plenty of chances to get out after his cash was made.

i don't care if he admitted he did it for himself. STILL can't bring myself to dislike the man.

My son pointed this out.

One day after his 50th birthday, Walt received the news that he had cancer and would live "at most a couple of years."

One day after his 52nd birthday Walt dies.

2 years = a couple of years.
Gilligan is so precise.

(SIAP)

Eyes got a bit watery during Walt's return to his family and when he died at the end.

I got even more emotional afterwards talking to my wife about Jesse. I guess I was so relieved that he made it out. All the pain Jesse has gone through and seeing him realize his freedom was incredible.

My wife just laughed at me. "You gonna be alright?" as she's laughing. Haha, looking back on last night it's pretty damned funny how emotional I was for Jesse.

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"24"-plus nudity and cursing.

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Uh, you could put that on a DVD jacket and I'd buy it sight unseen

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"24"-plus nudity and cursing.

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Uh, you could put that on a DVD jacket and I'd buy it sight unseen

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My thoughts exactly. 24 was a top 10 show easy.

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no, he built a meth empire

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i don't care if he admitted he did it for himself. STILL can't bring myself to dislike the man.

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I don't blame you and probably feel largely the same way about Walt as you, as it's not like his admission was a revelation because we knew that was the case since season 1. I just thought his finally acknowledging it to himself and to Skyler was cathartic.

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but the Nazis stole it from him

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Not as far as the feds and the public are concerned. His name will be remembered.

^^ That was one of the few issues I had with the show last night.

The snow is not hardened on the car. Obviously with that bumping the side window and the windshield wipers were able to push off all the show covering it. But the cop who apparently stopped behind the vehicle to inspect used a flash light to try to look in but never bothered to simply take his hand and wipe off enough snow to look inside??

Also when Walt said "Just get me home, I'll do the rest." Was he talking to God? For a moment I thought he was talking as Walt to Heisenberg because he knew he would have to kill the cop to get away.

Well, the nazis killed, stole a company, sold meth, and hated jews. Not sure what Walt's feelings are regarding israel but to me the meth Reich and wally are on the same level.

I don't think we know how closely the cops inspected the car, or if they even inspected it at all. If I had to guess, they never got out of their vehicle and maybe just hit it with the spotlight, at most. Or they could have paused nearby for another reason entirely.

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you'd be a terrible dungeon master

Pretty sure I remember a light moving around to the passenger side.

yeah, I felt the cops were in the area. I did not sense that they were inspecting the car. But obviously Walt is in harm's way until he gets out of there.

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thank you?

The nazi's have clearly been feeding Jesse quite well. Lots of ice cream rewards for his good batches of meth, I guess.

I didn't notice a white light on the car. But if there was one, I'd assume it was the spotlight from the police cruiser and not a flashlight from a cop on foot.

I just thought it was mr. plow.

Anyone with Netflix or Season 3 on DVD, I encourage you to go back and watch the scene starting at 26 min into Ep. 9, "Kafkaesque." Rewatching that made Jesse's box-building daydream, and his ultimate escape, even better. You can find the transcript and read the lines where Jesse describes building the box, but it's almost meaningless compared to watching the scene.

I kinda felt like that whole first scene- particularly magically finding the keys- was an indication that, this time, everything was going to happen just the way Walt wanted. That destiny was on his side. Because, certainly, he experienced some incredible luck.

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Eyes got a bit watery during Walt's return to his family and when he died at the end.

I got even more emotional afterwards talking to my wife about Jesse. I guess I was so relieved that he made it out. All the pain Jesse has gone through and seeing him realize his freedom was incredible.

My wife just laughed at me. "You gonna be alright?" as she's laughing. Haha, looking back on last night it's pretty damned funny how emotional I was for Jesse.

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Why do people feel sorry for Jesse? He killed a man point blank to save his own arse. He deserved to die just like everyone one else. At the start you at least felt sympathy for Walt's cause, he genuinely wanted to save his family from hardship. In that process, is when he found his demons.

Jesse was a rich, delusional spoiled brat, who pushed Walt to keep cooking. If anyone deserved to die it was him. He introduced Walt to cooking Meth.

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Don't bother watching Homeland to see if it deserves to be in the conversation (sorry Bunk). It doesn't, by a long shot, thanks to the second season. The first season was great, but the second season clearly turned into "24"-plus nudity and cursing. In other words, it had at least one eye-rolling moment per episode. Add in Claire Danes' horrible cry-face, the cliché and completely pointless hit-and-run subplot, how miserably annoying they made the daughter, and the cliché and overly cheesy V.P. of the U.S., and the second season was a major letdown. Again, just my opinion, nothing to fight over.

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This is absolutely correct. Season 2 was laughable and way over the top. The romantic relationship was just so unbelievable, and each episode had one or two eye-rollers that just made me laugh and shake my head. In my opinion it is nowhere near BB, Lost, and the Wire. I don't know if I can really decide if I liked Lost or BB better. If I had to rank them I'd say Lost, BB, and then the Wire. I have also seen Sopranos, but I didn't care for it too much. I don't understand why everyone loves it so much (but a ton of people do so I guess it just wasn't for me).

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Anyone with Netflix or Season 3 on DVD, I encourage you to go back and watch the scene starting at 26 min into Ep. 9, "Kafkaesque." Rewatching that made Jesse's box-building daydream, and his ultimate escape, even better. You can find the transcript and read the lines where Jesse describes building the box, but it's almost meaningless compared to watching the scene.

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damn, i thought jesse was just fantasizing about perfecting something, didn't realize it was a flashback

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you really have to understand the time period of when the Sopranos came to television to truly appreciate why it was so amazing.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/06/20/sopranos_changed_the_television_industry.html

google how sopranos changed tv and you will get a slew of articles. The Wire, Breaking Bad, The Shield and so and so likely don't happen without The Sopranos.

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Why do people feel sorry for Jesse? He killed a man point blank to save his own arse.

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Well, killing a man to save your own ass/life is not generally immoral in our society. That's why self-defense is a defense to homicide.

Who are you talking about? Gale? That was really to save Walt, who had saved Jesse by running over Gus's kid-killing thugs that Jesse was ready to die fighting against.

In my mind, Jesse's journey was the inverse of Walt's. He started out as a junky punk who thought of nobody but himself. And his involvement with Walt pushed him to a point where he recognized ALL of his missteps and regrets--going all the way back to high school when he built the wooden box to prove to himself and his ex-marine shop teacher that he could "do better than that" and then sold it to get high.

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Well, the nazis killed, stole a company, sold meth, and hated jews.

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If that is wrong, I don't want to be right.