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Cliff.Booth said:



Who exactly is being quoted?
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I mean….they are removing ALL the sequel trilogy characters from the theme parks….the theme parks drive the most money for Disney and the movies are what drive people to the theme parks….

Just sayin….
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I'll play along....it's already been acknowledged they are effectively building out a parallel story arc next to the ST. They build that out enough and they could conceivably more or less replace the ST and pretend it never happened and all of the recent content becomes your new post ROTJ timeline.

Which is exactly how I think about it.
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Most SW properties of the last several years have only strengthened the OT's connection to the ST. The Bad Batch, Mando, Ahsoka all had direct references to Sidious' plot to be reborn. if they were to erase the ST, it would effectively be erasing everything they've done on TV outside of Obi-Wan and everyone's favorite the Acolyte.

Clearly the franchise isn't sure where it should be pivoting to. At one point the plan was a feature film tying together Ahsoka and Mando's series into a feature film directed by Filoni that is a big fight with Thrawn. A couple of years ago my ILM buddy said the whole reason they went so nuts with Harrison Ford de-aged in Dial of Destiny was to prove they could sustain it over a long series of scenes with the idea that at least Han, Luke, Chewie and the droids would be in said film.

While Rebels has gotten lots of love and Ahsoka got mixed-to-good reviews, if Mando & Grogu doesn't do that well at the BO or if Ahsoka season 2 isn't a banger, it's tough to imagine them shelling out for a big movie where Han and Luke would almost have to be supporting characters at this point. Season 2 of Ahsoka is supposed to square off Thrawn and a returning Admiral Ackbar, but if there really is a movie beyond that, Thrawn would obviously have to survive this season.

I would pay $150m to see Thrawn in a movie, but if there isn't a big film audience, it just seems like a not-great decision. Plus, hitching their wagon to Gosling's star seems like the best move going forward.

In some ways, i think Avengers Doomsday is the real guinea pig for if Disney will commit to another movie with de-aged Ford and Hamill. If audiences go insane for this giant collaboration of older supes, I'm sure disney will make the non-logical connection that they'd do the same for OG Star Wars.

That said, they're never disavowing the sequels. The Force Awakens outgrossed Endgame by like $75 million domestic. Beyond the films, they've sold billions and billions in merchandise of Kylo Ren, Rey, and BB8 ***** if they're not rewriting the prequels for Watto, Jar Jar and Nute Gunray being the most racist characters in the galaxy, they're not erasing the sequels because they weren't up to par for many vocal fans.


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Disney has already made major canon changes when they took the EU and turned it into 'Legends', and they have no qualms about doing it again. Hell, they own Marvel, who are masters of retelling multiple storylines about the 'same' content. The multiverse is just a convenient explanation that allows them to do it.

I think they eventually call the sequel trilogy by another canonical name but decouple it from the main storyline. At a minimum, they open the door to more content they can profit from, but don't abandon it entirely.
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BenTheGoodAg said:

Disney has already made major canon changes when they took the EU and turned it into 'Legends', and they have no qualms about doing it again. Hell, they own Marvel, who are masters of retelling multiple storylines about the 'same' content. The multiverse is just a convenient explanation that allows them to do it.

I think they eventually call the sequel trilogy by another canonical name but decouple it from the main storyline. At a minimum, they open the door to more content they can profit from, but don't abandon it entirely.


Lucas was gonna nuke Legends even before Disney sold it
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Even streamer Nerdrotic, who hates everything about the current Disney Star Wars says that rumor from Geeks and Gamers is just dumb. He accurately points out that in the new Mandalorian and Grogu trailer Disney is showing scenes and characters from the sequel trilogy. Disney is not going to abandon that storyline or those characters.
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The day I realized my Star Wars fandom was pretty weak.
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Probably in my top 10 all-time favorite jokes is asking Darth Vader which button calls his parents to pick him up. I never missed late night at the time so I saw this when it was first aired. Classic.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

Ok, Maul episodes 9 and especially 10 are fantastic. You just can't beat watching Vadar kick ass. And I know people say there's so much more to Star Wars than Jedis and Siths...but dammit, you just can't beat a well choreographed Jedi/Sith lightsaber fight.

it's about time we see kick ass against Jedi masters onscreen. I was just thinking about this the other day that since the original movies, we hear about Vader killing off jedi. Yet all we saw on screen was Vader beat an old ObiWan, lose to Luke, kill a bunch of kids, lose to ObiWan in Vader's prime, beat Reva (inquisitor) and draw against Ashoka who managed to get a couple shots in. I was cheering for Vader when he was dominating and finally killing a Jedi Master. How hard was that Disney? Create a show that actually has Vader killing off jedi already. Hell, just have him kill off all the Jedi Disney has created that shouldn't be alive by the time A New Hope rolls around. Then you can devote a couple episodes to have Palps issue order 67 (for today's youth) to go kill off inquisitors and that bad guy from Acolyte
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This may be a semi-controversial opinion but I think all jedi related star wars should be animated while stuff like Andor be live actors.

The animation allows for such more interesting action and storytelling.
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jokershady said:

I mean….they are removing ALL the sequel trilogy characters from the theme parks….the theme parks drive the most money for Disney and the movies are what drive people to the theme parks….

Just sayin….
They are?
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CheeseSndwch said:

Had to watch a 30 second Burger King commercial to checkout the new Mandalorian trailer. Thanks Disney.



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Maul. Man o man what an ending.

Not being limited by real world physics, not to mention real world actors and real world budgets makes the animated stuff so much better.
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double aught said:

jokershady said:

I mean….they are removing ALL the sequel trilogy characters from the theme parks….the theme parks drive the most money for Disney and the movies are what drive people to the theme parks….

Just sayin….

They are?

They're introducing Han / Leia / Luke as walking around people. When it opened it was Kylo, stormtroopers, Rey, and then they had Boba, Mando/Grogu, Fennec, and then Ahsoka.

Anyone thinking they're washing Galaxy's Edge of the ST has clearly never been on Rise of the Resistance - that thing probably cost $70 trillion to make and is set squarely in the ST with appearances by Rey, BB8, Poe, Finn, Hux, and Ren.
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That's what I thought. Thanks. I knew they still had to be in Rise of the Resistance.
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double aught said:

That's what I thought. Thanks. I knew they still had to be in Rise of the Resistance.
rise of the resistance obviously isn't going away but don't be surprised if they alter it slightly to encompass the OT….theyve done that with other Star Wars rides there at the park before….
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Mathguy64 said:

Maul. Man o man what an ending.

Not being limited by real world physics, not to mention real world actors and real world budgets makes the animated stuff so much better.
dude tons of action and some of the best lightsaber fights that's ever been put out….

Seeing Vader wail on the Jedi master (can't remember name) just in the same way Luke wailed on Vader in RotJ was the chefs kiss
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What I loved about the finale of Maul was that Vader hit Maul and hurt him in the first 5 seconds of the fight to really amp up the "this is a mismatch supreme." Also loved the choice to not have Vader speak. I'm pretty sure they used AI speech for Vader in the Obi-Wan series and could have done the same here, but I think Vader is better silent, a true monster. Plus he saw Maul briefly as a kid, and probably doesn't want to betray anything.

I also am on board with the fact that a show called Vader: Jedi Hunter rated TV-14 or TV-MA would set all kinds of records for views.
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I'm of the opinion that Vader doesn't need to lower himself to speaking to opponents who are so far beneath his capabilities. Against obi-wan or luke, of course, because of the personal issues between them. But against some random Old Jedi, a young padawan, or a former Sith?....nah, not worth his effort to converse with them. Just kill 'em.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

I'm of the opinion that Vader doesn't need to lower himself to speaking to opponents who are so far beneath his capabilities. Against obi-wan or luke, of course, because of the personal issues between them. But against some random Old Jedi, a young padawan, or a former Sith?....nah, not worth his effort to converse with them. Just kill 'em.

Back in 2015-16 range, when SW was all the rage again, I read some book that went back and fourth between two pilots. The guy had joined the Rebels and the gal stayed with the Empire. Don't recall the name of the book.

Anyway, there is a part where the female pilot has to catch a ride on an Imperial shuttle from A to B and the only other passenger happens to be Vader. Vader basically doesn't even acknowledge her presence during the flight, which I thought was both perfect and funny.
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Yep, "perfect" would be the exact description I would use for that as well. Darth vader does not make small talk.

Which is exactly why those homemade clips people have made of him doing so are so hilarious.
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Dekker_Lentz said:

TCTTS said:

Trash site no one's ever heard of making **** up to get clicks on May the 4th…



I kinda forgotten about Star Wars: Starfighter. I think this is exactly what Star Wars needs, a movie with a big star set post Skywalker Saga and hopefully becomes a new launch point for future Star Wars content.


They're going to change things la Star Trek: Spock with Star Wars: Starfighter. Gosling goes into a worm hole and comes out the other side in an alternate universe accidentally running over a healing palpatine preventing him from, somehow, returning.
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Quote:

all jedi related star wars should be animated

Because jedi related star wars has never been done well in live action before.
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It did take animation to give us stuff like this:



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Ok I got a idea on how The Mandalorian and Grogu is gonna end and it ties in with an idea I've had about they'll end Grogu's story with Mando and I think it all fits here…so I'm going to spoiler tag this even though this is just coming from my brain and nothing else….

This movie is going to take place after S3 of Mando and S1 of Ashoka…so that means Zeb (who we already know is in this movie), Ezra, Hera, and Chopper are around. If what we've heard is true that Pedro wants to be done with this character I'm guessing that Mando is going to leave Grogu with the crew of the Ghost and Grogu will go on to be a part of the fight with the Ghost crew against the First Order…..

This gives Disney the opportunity to have Grogu stick around and be a part of Ashoka season 2 which it's expected to take place after this film…..so this is how Disney can potentially have Grogu hang around longer without Mando after this movie….

Just my idea….but this wouldn't surprise me to see
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jokershady said:

Ok I got a idea on how The Mandalorian and Grogu is gonna end and it ties in with an idea I've had about they'll end Grogu's story with Mando and I think it all fits here…so I'm going to spoiler tag this even though this is just coming from my brain and nothing else….

This movie is going to take place after S3 of Mando and S1 of Ashoka…so that means Zeb (who we already know is in this movie), Ezra, Hera, and Chopper are around. If what we've heard is true that Pedro wants to be done with this character I'm guessing that Mando is going to leave Grogu with the crew of the Ghost and Grogu will go on to be a part of the fight with the Ghost crew against the First Order…..

This gives Disney the opportunity to have Grogu stick around and be a part of Ashoka season 2 which it's expected to take place after this film…..so this is how Disney can potentially have Grogu hang around longer without Mando after this movie….

Just my idea….but this wouldn't surprise me to see


Where did you here that about Pascal? I did a very brief Google and didn't see anything
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CharleyKerfeld said:

jokershady said:

Ok I got a idea on how The Mandalorian and Grogu is gonna end and it ties in with an idea I've had about they'll end Grogu's story with Mando and I think it all fits here…so I'm going to spoiler tag this even though this is just coming from my brain and nothing else….

This movie is going to take place after S3 of Mando and S1 of Ashoka…so that means Zeb (who we already know is in this movie), Ezra, Hera, and Chopper are around. If what we've heard is true that Pedro wants to be done with this character I'm guessing that Mando is going to leave Grogu with the crew of the Ghost and Grogu will go on to be a part of the fight with the Ghost crew against the First Order…..

This gives Disney the opportunity to have Grogu stick around and be a part of Ashoka season 2 which it's expected to take place after this film…..so this is how Disney can potentially have Grogu hang around longer without Mando after this movie….

Just my idea….but this wouldn't surprise me to see


Where did you hear that about Pascal? I did a very brief Google and didn't see anything
good point because I didn't read that anywhere….thought I had heard that but I couldn't find anything either so maybe it was a fever dream or something.

Still think the movie ends with what i had said above with Grogu moving to the crew of the ghost and they can still do that with having the Mandalorian around
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The only problem with that isI don't see Disney going with anything related to the unmitigated disaster that was the Sequel Trilogy, which of course the First Order is just that.
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I'm dropping the Maul Spoiler tags since it's been about a few days. Great interview with Filoni about Vader's mental state.

https://www.starwars.com/news/maul-shadow-lord-season-1-finale

If you're a practical effects person, this is a fantastic read about them building a model for a ship they didn't have time to CGI
https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-maul-shadow-lord-ship-model

And Filoni talking to IO9 about Vader's mindset at this point, really good read. He's not the best director, but he knows his SW.

https://gizmodo.com/dave-filonis-philosophy-on-darth-vader-is-chilling-2000754634

"The key to Vader for me is that he's not Anakin," Filoni began. "He doesn't recognize that. He can't. Anything that reminds him of Anakin, he's going to destroy. So when he sees a Jedi, he's going to destroy the Jedi, because the Jedi would remind him unconsciously or consciously that he betrayed all of his friends and everything he knew and the life he grew up with. For what? For nothing. He lost everything. He made a bad trade. He was lied to. He was deceived. He can't accept that truth. So he's even farther down the path than Maul."
"Maul is struggling to let go of hate, but Anakin got consumed by it," he continued. "If he were to face what he did, it would destroy him more. I find a lot of pity for him because of what he did and the depth of his treachery. And that's Darth Vader. Anakin's trapped in there somewhere, and Darth Vader won't let him surface. And so to me, the key is not to actually give him a character. He's devoid of it because he doesn't care. Darth Vader does not care. He does not have compassion. He does not see you. He sees the thing he wants to destroy, and he will do that. It's like the same feeling you got in Rogue One when he comes down the hallway. He doesn't talk to those guys. He's going to destroy them. He has one mission, and all of his remorse and all of his anger and all of his hate is in every swing that he does. That's how it's resolved."
"And [when] he saw Ahsoka, he wants to destroy her," Filoni said. "She, of all people, would remind him of who he was. He's like, 'I gotta destroy that. I can't face that.' Obi-Wan, he wants to destroy him. So he is a destroyer, Darth Vader. And critically, only his son, only his offspring, could make him spark, could make him see something. But at first, selfishly, [he said] 'You and I can rule the galaxy.' That's where he goes. He doesn't come all the way back. It's a long process."




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Anyone else in line for Star Wars Celebration tickets?

Just me?


About an hour in the cue and Im only 20% of the way
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