Gangstalicious > Biggie > Tupac

It's funny to listen to the Biggie fan boys all the while knowing 2pac has had 50 times the following even to this very day. 2Pac has 2 albums that by themselves outsold all of Biggie's album sales combined.

There isn't a holographic Biggie. There aren't near as many memorials to Biggie.


It's an insult to compare Biggie to 2pac. 2pac is on a level all his own.

Qunique and head ninja, thank you for pointing out my extreme lapse in thinking.


As for the poster above me, I hope you're joking.

Fans and mass media appeal do not a better hip hop artist make

[This message has been edited by bigblackag12 (edited 4/20/2014 4:20a).]

That's what the people who suck say.

Biggie. It's not even close for me.

When I go back and listen to their music now I can't help but think that the "Death Row 2pac" was a persona that he lost control of. It is kind of sad to think that a character he was portraying cost him his life. Biggie seemed genuine and told stories like he actually lived them.

Also, Juicy is probably one of the top 10 greatest rap songs of all times. "Birthdays was the worst days, now we sip champagne when we thir-stay."


[This message has been edited by Texag06ish (edited 4/21/2014 9:15a).]

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Also, Juicy is probably one of the top 10 greatest rap songs of all times.

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#Facts

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Biggie. It's not even close.

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I know this is a debate and there's no right or wrong answer... but that response is silly.

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Also, Juicy is probably one of the top 10 greatest rap songs of all times.

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Juicy is top 5 for me.

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When I go back and listen to their music now I can't help but think that the "Death Row 2pac" was a persona that he lost control of.

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Crazy to me how many people are unaware of this, or choose to ignore this fact. The guy was not a gangster.

I always feel old because I find myself listening to Backspin on XM the majority of the time I am in my vehicle. A lot of today's rap (not all of it) is just hard to listen to. Glad to hear I'm not the only one.

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Biggie. It's not even close for me.

When I go back and listen to their music now I can't help but think that the "Death Row 2pac" was a persona that he lost control of. It is kind of sad to think that a character he was portraying cost him his life. Biggie seemed genuine and told stories like he actually lived them.

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i'm going to go ahead disagree with you bud. biggie gets way too much credit for dying young and having someone like Diddy pumping him. there was no one around to do the same for Tupac. Both were amazing but Tupac stands on the top pedestal.

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i'm going to go ahead disagree with you bud. biggie gets way too much credit for dying young and having someone like Diddy pumping him. there was no one around to do the same for Tupac. Both were amazing but Tupac stands on the top pedestal.

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Suge and Death Row did exactly this. They rode the beef all the way to Tupac's death.

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When I go back and listen to their music now I can't help but think that the "Death Row 2pac" was a persona that he lost control of.

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Crazy to me how many people are unaware of this, or choose to ignore this fact. The guy was not a gangster.

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News flash: rap is entertainment just like WWE.

Ok. I should have clarified. I disagree about biggie being better and it not being close. I think tupac was better. As good as biggie was, he got canonized by bad boy records.

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i'm going to go ahead disagree with you bud. biggie gets way too much credit for dying young and having someone like Diddy pumping him. there was no one around to do the same for Tupac. Both were amazing but Tupac stands on the top pedestal.

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Suge and Death Row did exactly this. They rode the beef all the way to Tupac's death.

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Oh really? The beef is what made 2pac blow up? And how many videos was Suge in pushing 2pac with his superstar status?

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I always feel old because I find myself listening to Backspin on XM the majority of the time I am in my vehicle. A lot of today's rap (not all of it) is just hard to listen to. Glad to hear I'm not the only one.

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Make that two of us. My big problem with today's rap is that most of it has no "edge" to it and most of the popular rappers now have nasally, high pitch voices. The days of the rappers with deep voices seems to be long gone. I don't know if it's because these guys are less intimidating or what because I so rarely hear anyone like 2pac or Biggie nowadays.

Eminem pulls off the "edge" well, but doesn't have the voice.

90s rap is far better as a whole than anything out now. Granted it's not like this is unique to rap though, it applies to rock as well so it's really not that surprising.

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Juicy is top 5 for me.

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I can't put it anywhere near the top 100. I place way too much importance on production. You can rap your ass of but if it isn't to an incredible produced track, it's ****.

2pac figured that out.

^LMBO.

Congrats on going Redstone (and being serious) about rap music.

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Oh really? The beef is what made 2pac blow up? And how many videos was Suge in pushing 2pac with his superstar status?

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Didn't Suge pay Tupac's bail so would sign with Death Row? I think Tupac was famous before the beef but really became a household name once he signed to Death Row.

Sure Suge wasn't in any videos but he was all over the place pushing the Death Row brand. A few examples I can think of are his speech at The Source awards, the picture of the Death Row roster with his face planted right in the middle of it and the interview at the California love video shoot where is he bragging about Death Row.

I could be wrong, I was like 14 years old at the time. I didn't realize there were so many passionate opinions on the subject.

[This message has been edited by Texag06ish (edited 4/21/2014 1:07p).]

You can't compare the two. They are like 1a and 1b in the rap world.

I think Zro is better than then both.

one thing i think we can all agree on is that Jay-Z is extremely overrated as a writer and rapper. sing about New York enough and they'll name you king.

fantastic businessman though.

Jay z is a more business savy Master P

One of the very first albums I ever bought was Doggystyle. I had to hide it in my room and listen to it with headphones. I even went so far as to hide the disc in a album case of Kenny G music, if you can believe that. I was about 13, and for my money, it didn't get better than "DJ Saul T. Nuts" and W-Balls.

I can trace it from there if I think about it:

Doggystyle introduced me to Dre, so then I listened to The Chronic. Then, Snoop and 2Pac came out with "2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted", which introduced me to 2Pac, and I started listening to All Eyez on Me. I was hooked on Death Row by this point. Then I think I got into E.1999 by Bone Thugs. That led me to to "Notorious Thugs", and that got me into Biggie. Well, that and video for "Hypnotize". Life After Death turned me on to Ready to Die. After that, it was Illmatic. By this point, both 2Pac and Biggie were dead, and I was kind of fascinated by the whole thing. You also can't overstate how important MTV and music videos were back then. "Natural Born Killaz", "Elevators", "I Wish", "Regulators", etc.

So because I started out listening to the West Coast/Death Row stuff, I think I favor it more. I found an appreciation for the East Coast stuff later on.


[This message has been edited by MW03 (edited 4/21/2014 6:26p).]

Is anyone keeping score?

lyrically I think Pac was league of his own, however I give the nod to Biggie for delivery.


And growing up, we were pretty split on the Pac/Biggie debate, but Wu-Tang was pretty much top billing in our little NM town.

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Juicy is top 5 for me.

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I can't put it anywhere near the top 100. I place way too much importance on production. You can rap your ass of but if it isn't to an incredible produced track, it's ****.

2pac figured that out.

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Juicy was wonderfully produced

A 5 year old could have produced that track.

Pac was easily better in my opinion.

soundcloud.com/djfinessenyc/b-i-g-over-premier

Game over

[This message has been edited by qunique_2004 (edited 4/23/2014 10:56a).]

7nine, I think you're the outlier on this one. Just snagged this off wiki:

Blender Magazine ranked it #168 on its Top 500 Songs of the 80s-00s list in 2005.
Bruce Pollock put it on his The 7,500 Most Important Songs of 1944-2000 list in 2005.
ego trip ranked it #1 on its Hip Hop's 40 Greatest Singles by Year 1980-98 list in 1999.
Pop ranked it #1 on their Singles of the Year list in 1994.
Q magazine ranked "Juicy" the ninth greatest hip hop song of all time.
Spex included it on The Best Singles of the Century list in 1999.
The Boston Phoenix included it on their The 90 Best Songs of the 90s list in 1999.
The Source included it on their The 100 Best Rap Singles of All Time list in 1998.
It has since been certified by RIAA as 5x Platinum.
VH1 ranked it #7 on its "100 Greatest Hip Hop Songs Ever", and #1 on its "40 Greatest Hip Hop Songs of the 90s".
Pitchfork Media ranked the song at #14 on their Top 200 Tracks of the 90s.

I mean, it's one thing to say you don't like the song. But to say it can't touch your 100 because it's poorly produced seems to fly in the face of most opinions on the subject. It's cool if you don't like the song and all; I happen to hate lots of songs that are widely considered to be excellent. But I don't think you can act like you're right and pretty much everyone else on planet earth is wrong.

What's the saying? "The only good music is the music I like" or something like that. Always the first thing I think of when people claim great bands or songs are overrated or suck.

Who's the one that cut off his pecker then jumped out of a window?

I don't listen to that guy.

I remember vividly in grade school how many of my classmates wore RIP 2pac shirts the week he died. i really didn't know anything about him, other than hearing California Love everywhere at the time.

As a huge fan of both, I personally will always think of Pac as a NY rapper. He was born and raised in Harlem. His role in Juice and Above the rim was an East Coast flare that Pac naturally had. He had many friends, family members, and associates in New Jersey and Queens.

I listen to both regularly. They're both very different, but what they will always share in common is that when they were both alive, their peers were crowning them.

Big personified a New York emcee. The story telling, metaphors, and the mafioso themes he was so great at. Pac was more of a gutter type of rapper, who wouldn't emphasize all that. He'd show flashes, but the emotions he'd rap about was more important to him. But his technique and flow was very original. Biggie took parts of King Tee, Rakim, and Scarface and molded his style. Pac just went at it.

All that said, I think I can listen to Ready to Die more than I could me Against The World.