Well done scientific

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A 5 year old could have produced that track.

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Interesting opinion. I disagree

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im just a know nothing millennial. But I have done my due diligence. 90s and 80s hip hop and rap are mine and most other's preferred styles, the golden age of hip hop.

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Im only maybe a few years older than you. The crazy thing about it is, that gap separates Hip Hop fans a great deal. If all you remember listening to, was from 03/04 and upwards, it makes a world of difference than when I started paying attention to hip hop in 98/99.

The late 90s and early 00s was my golden era. When the South blew up, and the East Coast and West Coast were still making their hits.

In that era, the benchmark albums were MP Da Last Don, And Then There Was X, Stillmatic, Stankonia, 500 Degreez, The Chronic 01, Marshal Mathers LP, G.O.A.T., Endangered Species, Like Wtare For Choclate, Watermelon, Chicken, & Gritz, 613: Ashy to Classy....and yes even Country Grammar and Venni Vetti Vecci are classics in my book.

A lot of good material that sometimes gets over looked because it was in that transitional period. The early and mid 90s was great, but I feel detached from it.

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one thing i think we can all agree on is that Jay-Z is extremely overrated as a writer and rapper.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_4QVidbKkg

Listen to it without vocals. It's minimal poop.

Biggie initially didnt want to do Juicy. He thought the beat was too pop in sound. But you cant fault him for the beat. He didn't produce it, and producers during that time all did the same thing with their samples. It was pretty basic loops and drums, added on to the original song. I agree that the sample was basic enough, nothing too complicated from the original song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14mUP2EQy5g

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this is a good interview with snoop about those days too, if you are interested.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.23756/title.snoop-lion-remembers-final-interaction-with-tupac-talks-gun-buyback-program

Both are great

PAC for me though. Keep ya head up, dear mama, changes on one end. All about you , how do you want it, Cali love. PAC rapped about social issues and he could give you the club hits.

Biggie had better flo, but PAC was the better artist.

Both are on mt Rushmore of rap

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As a huge fan of both, I personally will always think of Pac as a NY rapper.

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This is almost ridiculous as the "Juicy" not being in the top 100 statement.

Juicy sucks. Deal with it.

lol.

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This is almost ridiculous as the "Juicy" not being in the top 100 statement.

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Why? He was raised in Harlem. The Outlawz, except Syke, were all from New Jersey. He was close friends with E Money Bags, Stretch, and Naughty By Nature. His NY accent in Juice was his actual accent all the way up until All Eyez on me. Besides Shock G and Johnny J, his favorite producer to work with was Easy Mo Bee, who produced most of Ready to Die, and produced the original Runnin record with the both of them. Im not kidding when I say Im a huge 2pac fan. But minus that 10 month Death Row time, for the most part Pac was either an Oakland or NY guy.

He didn't get to The Bay area until he was 18. The biggest misconception about Pac to the general fan is that he's an LA product. He was down with Death Row, but if anyone calls Pac an LA rapper then they don't really know his back ground.

I think he's the greatest rapper of all time. But, he was too erratic, and imo probably bi polar.

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Tupac : New York :: Obama : Hawaii

**** I was never good at SAT questions

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im just a know nothing millennial. But I have done my due diligence. 90s and 80s hip hop and rap are mine and most other's preferred styles, the golden age of hip hop.

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Im only maybe a few years older than you. The crazy thing about it is, that gap separates Hip Hop fans a great deal. If all you remember listening to, was from 03/04 and upwards, it makes a world of difference than when I started paying attention to hip hop in 98/99.

The late 90s and early 00s was my golden era. When the South blew up, and the East Coast and West Coast were still making their hits.

In that era, the benchmark albums were MP Da Last Don, And Then There Was X, Stillmatic, Stankonia, 500 Degreez, The Chronic 01, Marshal Mathers LP, G.O.A.T., Endangered Species, Like Wtare For Choclate, Watermelon, Chicken, & Gritz, 613: Ashy to Classy....and yes even Country Grammar and Venni Vetti Vecci are classics in my book.

A lot of good material that sometimes gets over looked because it was in that transitional period. The early and mid 90s was great, but I feel detached from it.

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I purchased the bulk of my CD's around the same time you did but was exposed to the gangsta rap movement by older brother and over time I have gravitated toward the early 90's. Better beats, batter rapping.

Over time the younger generations have become more obsessed with the street culture, portraying the thug life and showing off thier possessions. They have gone from telling stories and painting pictures to constantly showing out.

On top of that, I have think each generation has gotten further and further away the soul music of the 60's and 70's that were the motivation for the great producers like Dr. Dre, Pimp C and Organized Noise. As a result, the actual music has become less interesting to me.

And since I'm on my soapbox, I think social media and music sharing sites have greatly effected the quality off music. With YouTube, Instagram and Twitter, anyone can be a star if they can get thier videos to go viral (Chief Keef comes to mind).

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Today's generation is actually the complete opposite. The face of Hip Hop is Drake and his singing emo raps. You have frat boy and hipster rappers. Rappers are now rocking leggings, and even blouses, yes blouses(look up Young Thug).

Today's generation isn't obsessed with street culture hardly at all, but its still urban. This is the Swag generation. The generation that cares more about social media, appearances, and looking different, and just trying to look good in front of the camera. Right now Hip Hop is in its hair band period.

Its a topic that probably deserves its own thread, but today's hip hop is even too scared to rap homophobic verses. Its so different.


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That's funny and probably a great analogy

Scientific,

I guess I just failed to even acknowledge what's played on the radio nowadays. Good analogy though even if it is an over generalization.

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If that's true, scientific, the Flatbursh Zombies have to be starting the rap grunge faze.

They're like the Tool of Rap.

Odd Future is clearly the Nirvana. Tyler the Creator is our generation's Kurt Cobain.

That was hard to type with a straight face

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im just a know nothing millennial. But I have done my due diligence. 90s and 80s hip hop and rap are mine and most other's preferred styles, the golden age of hip hop.

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Im only maybe a few years older than you. The crazy thing about it is, that gap separates Hip Hop fans a great deal. If all you remember listening to, was from 03/04 and upwards, it makes a world of difference than when I started paying attention to hip hop in 98/99.

The late 90s and early 00s was my golden era. When the South blew up, and the East Coast and West Coast were still making their hits.

In that era, the benchmark albums were MP Da Last Don, And Then There Was X, Stillmatic, Stankonia, 500 Degreez, The Chronic 01, Marshal Mathers LP, G.O.A.T., Endangered Species, Like Wtare For Choclate, Watermelon, Chicken, & Gritz, 613: Ashy to Classy....and yes even Country Grammar and Venni Vetti Vecci are classics in my book.

A lot of good material that sometimes gets over looked because it was in that transitional period. The early and mid 90s was great, but I feel detached from it.

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I should have specified I was referring to the late 80s/early90s not necessarily both full decades. I was born in 90 and remember hearing the hump and rump shakers and tootsie roll on the radio. But my first cd was pastor troy. The one with wanna be a baller. Next was country grammar. I was somewhat sheltered music wise until I came into my own when I got to college. Thats when I started my hip hop education in full. I bought every album I could find, but I didnt stay current with hip hop until about a year ago. Coming to find some great stuff still coming out that isnt just about trappin

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oh lawwwwd

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But my first cd was pastor troy. The one with wanna be a baller.

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That's an Expose classic.

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They're like the Tool of Rap.

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"Dude, nobody raps on 7/8 time signature. They invented that."

- Parallel Universe TexAgs

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But my first cd was pastor troy. The one with wanna be a baller.

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-_-

It was a bday present from my aunt when I was like 8. My mom almost threw it away because it had the parental advisory label.

I was listening to rap before most of the kids on this thread were even born. I gave up on in it around 96 when the record executives took over the lyrical content due to pressure from the media. It's all dance music now.

I was watching Letterman last week and he introduced some rapper named "Leaf". He got on stage and performed with what looked like a skirt on and was doing what looked to be a male version of the butterfly dance. I literally LOL in front of family members we had in town for Easter.

The music now isn't even remotely what it used to be about.

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That's an Expose classic.

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Lil Troy. Snitchin ass Lil Troy.

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Because rap music was never about dancing or wearing questionable outfits, right.

Overall I'm with bigblack on his tastes. Outkast's early stuff are some of the best albums ever in terms of putting on and listening the whole way through repeatedly. They also put on some of the best concerts I've been to - although I'm still pissed Ludacris stood us up in Dallas when they were on their Stankonia tour.

But, I got to correct this:

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You're thinking of Lil' Troy. However, on that note, I'm probably one of the bigger Pastor Troy fans out there (not saying that's a badge of honor or anything). I was hooked with "Vice Versa" which is still one of my favorite random songs. After that I kept buying all of his albums, just hoping something would be as good - it never was, but I still kept buying.

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one thing i think we can all agree on is that Jay-Z is extremely overrated as a writer and rapper.

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Nas's "Ether" is definitely one of my favorite beef tracks. He killed Jay-Z on it, that tae bo ho

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one thing i think we can all agree on is that Jay-Z is extremely overrated as a writer and rapper.

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Face/Palm for whoever said this.

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one thing i think we can all agree on is that rap is extremely overrated and this thread proves it

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He is. Give me one soulful or social conscious song Jay-Z has ever written? Any top 5 MC list, and almost everyone has gone into that territory. Jay-Z never touched it. Hell even lil Boosie is all about that.

No Brenda's Got A Baby. No Fight The Power. No If I ruled The World. No A Bird in The Hand. No Who We Be. No Hand of The Dead Body.

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Face/Palm for whoever said this.

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I agree with it too. I'm not even a hater and like Jay Z's stuff, but I can't understand how or when he came into discussion as one of the best ever. I'm a fan, just agree that he's overrated by many.

I'd love to trade places with him for just one night . . .

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