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6:25p, 11/13/23
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Joanna Robinson literally wrote the book on Marvel, so this likely has some weight behind it...


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In reply to TCTTS • 6:52p, 11/13/23
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I initially discovered Joanna through a Game of Thrones recap podcast she used to host. There are very few journalists with integrity like her remaining. I'd take what she's reporting to the bank.
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9:33p, 11/13/23
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Excellent. Loveness being removed is old news (or maybe it was just rumored) but it certainly fits.

Loki S2 certainly provides away for them to just stop right there. All they have to do is just… stop. So hopefully that's what has happened.

Now, multiverse / Secret Wars seems to still be a thing but there are ways to do that without Kang.
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:48p, 11/13/23
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TCTTS said:
bangobango said:
kerrag06 said:
I have no idea how this thread got political with the age and gender and all that. The movies are failing because the casual viewer who only sees the movie sees the preview and goes- who the heck are 2 of those 3 main characters? They haven't seen and probably don't have the time it takes to watch all these series on Disney plus. Or just don't want to. Not to mention the fact the general theme and story line of this "Multiverse" saga is 1000% more complex than 6 colored stones being gathered to erase half the universe. Heck just read the Loki thread.

As someone who watches all the series and highly enjoys everything about marvel, I understand why these movies are making so much less. With the infinity saga all the movies were easy to watch and less complex. And all you had to watch was the movies. One every 6 months or more- no series. Heck only really endgame went off the rails with time travel. Marvel has narrowed their audience way too much with this saga simply based on that- and that alone seems dumb when it comes down to money and profit. I mean, how many casual viewers (no that does not include people posting on this thread) even know there is such thing as "saga".

I have made about 100 jokes to my GF about women power and rolled my eyes during this previews. Did I particularly like captain marvel all of the sudden getting her own movie at the end of the infinity saga and then completely saving the day? not really. It just seemed out of nowhere. But that wasn't going to keep me from seeing the dang movie and having to become a Top 5 favorite movie ever for me.


That doesn't really make any sense to me. How do you narrow your audience by having more content preceding the movie?

It's not like everybody who went to see Iron Man read his comics. I sure as hell never did and didn't know anything about him. Same with Dr Strange, Captain America, Thor, Ant Man, etc. Ironically, Hulk was probably the best known of the original Avengers. People may have been vaguely familiar with the name, but most of the viewers never read the comics or knew the back story, but they still went to see them because the movies looked good to them. Maybe it was like a snowball and they picked up steam as they went, but the early ones that were hits didn't have that advatnage.

So, how is that any different than not seeing a streaming series before going to the movie? If the movie looked appealing to the type of people who like to go see super hero movies, then people who like to go see superhero movies would've gone and watched the movie, regardless of whatever background material they missed out on.

This movies marketing material was heavily targeted towards women. I've seen absolutely no male lead in any of the previews. Women aren't going to see it. That's the take away here. The too much streaming background is just a red herring.

First of all, not having read the comics is WAY different than not having seen an MCU Disney+ series or two. Like, those things aren't even in the same ballpark, in terms of the knowledge needed to understand the overarching story.

But more importantly, before Disney+, the MCU was relegated to one format that pretty much everyone had equal access to - movies. Be them in the theater or at home, it was relatively easy to keep track/watch the vast majority of them, especially when we only had to make that commitment two or three times a year.

However, once Disney+ was introduced, a not insignificant swath of that audience chose not to subscribe for whatever reasons, be it access, additional $$$, etc. It was an extra cost/step, beyond a trip to the theater, beyond a standard cable package, and beyond the streamers people already subscribed to.

There's also the fact that the time commitment necessary to keep track of the MCU rose significantly with Disney+. For instance, in 2017, 2018, and 2019, there were only three movies released each of those years (with roughly only two per year prior to then). At an average runtime of 2h 15m per movie, that's only a 6h 45m total time commitment per year.

Starting in 2021, though (there was no MCU content in 2020 due to Covid), that time commitment jumped significantly…

2021 = 4 movies, 4 live-action series = 29h 25m total time commitment
2022 = 3 movies, 3 live-action series = 22h 20m total time commitment
2023 = 3 movies, 2 live-action series = 15h 45m total time commitment

So it's pretty easy to see how that increase led to a number of people dropping off/not being able to keep up, both in terms of the cost and the time commitment. Add to it the fact that the quality of the content dipped significantly with the advent of Disney+, due to the creatives being spread far too thin, which led to even more of an audience drop off.

Honestly, this is pretty basic common sense, and not at all a "red herring." It's literally THE primary reason for the overall audience drop off.


Not to mention people just get tired of the same **** and superhero movies have been done to death. Multiverse stuff has been done to death. It's just too damn much.
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In reply to MBAR • 9:54p, 11/13/23
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Agreed.
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9:59p, 11/13/23
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Time to call up Denzel and offer him Dr. Doom.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 11:29p, 11/13/23
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I'm trying to think of other possible castings for Doom
-Alexander Skarsgard
-Josh Hartnett
-Jeffrey Wright
-Aaron Paul

I haven't seen Atlanta. Could Donald Glover play a serious character well?
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In reply to bearamedic99 • 7:20a, 11/14/23
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bearamedic99 said:
I'm trying to think of other possible castings for Doom
-Alexander Skarsgard
-Josh Hartnett
-Jeffrey Wright
-Aaron Paul

I haven't seen Atlanta. Could Donald Glover play a serious character well?
Glover and Wright have already appeared in Marvel in limited fashions - Glover was in the first new Spiderman movie for 3-4 scenes and Wright was the voice of the Watcher in What If

If you need an actor with gravitas who can also impose physically, the list seems to be growing short at this point because of the massive onslaught of super hero movies. if they hadn't thrown away Laurence Fishburne in the second Antman movie, he'd probably be an interesting choice. Ditto Bale and Crowe in Thor 4.
Maybe Liam Neeson? If Doom is going to be European, at least get someone who can do an accent. Although Neeson is 71, that might be rolling the dice a little much for a movie that doesn't come out for at least a few more years.

I guess it really depends on what age he is vs what age the FF4 are.

Actually, I've got my choice. DC poached James Gunn from Marvel amid some chaos. Return the favor and go get Henry Cavill to be Doom.
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7:27a, 11/14/23
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Denzel is almost 70 so I don't really want him as Doom (but if they insist on Kang, an older wiser Kang could be great). Doom should be around for a long time so I wouldn't want to hitch my wagon to someone who moves like he's geriatric (like de-aged Nick Fury in a fight scene did). Though if he's masked, you're mostly casting for the voice. And I do hope they keep him masked because that's half his schtick.
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In reply to bearamedic99 • 7:41a, 11/14/23
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Christoph Waltz
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In reply to TCTTS • 7:43a, 11/14/23
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Are they moving away from Kang or the guy who wrote Quantumania?
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9:04a, 11/14/23
I saw an amazing rumor of Cillian Murphy for Doom. That would be amazing
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9:30a, 11/14/23
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(This isn't the thread for it, but with Captain Marvel 2 bombing and streaming threatening to kill the MCU, why the **** would DC do the Authority and Creature Commandos? Better cancel that asap IMO)
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1:02p, 11/14/23
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As brutal as Lucasfilm's merry go round of announced and cancelled projects has been, Marvel having to change the title, plot, and probably release date of an Avengers movie is pretty rough.
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In reply to TCTTS • 2:06p, 11/14/23
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Seeing it like this even adds another layer. It used to only take us 6 ish hours of content a year to push the saga forward. Now, the story seems to not move at all with 25+ hours of content! That should tell you something.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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2:12p, 11/14/23
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If they do go with Dr Doom then they need to get a big star that everybody knows and that would be butts in seats. I know he wouldn't do it but someone like Brad Pitt would be cool to see has a villain.
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In reply to Quad Dog • 3:01p, 11/14/23
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Quad Dog said:
Christoph Waltz
only if he speaks German!
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MrPlow2010 said:
If they do go with Dr Doom then they need to get a big star that everybody knows and that would be butts in seats. I know he wouldn't do it but someone like Brad Pitt would be cool to see has a villain.
Only if they recreate this scene for a Pitt as Doom vs. Shong Chi fight scene.

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In reply to BenFiasco14 • 4:16p, 11/14/23
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BenFiasco14 said:
Seeing it like this even adds another layer. It used to only take us 6 ish hours of content a year to push the saga forward. Now, the story seems to not move at all with 25+ hours of content! That should tell you something.

Well put.
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1:32a, 11/15/23
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Pretty good summary...

*** LOKI SEASON 2 SPOILER WARNING ***

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1:10p, 11/15/23
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Ok. This looks fun!

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In reply to rhutton125 • 1:55p, 11/15/23
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rhutton125 said:
Excellent. Loveness being removed is old news (or maybe it was just rumored) but it certainly fits.

Loki S2 certainly provides away for them to just stop right there. All they have to do is just… stop. So hopefully that's what has happened.

Now, multiverse / Secret Wars seems to still be a thing but there are ways to do that without Kang.


Not after the Quantumania post credits
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2:27p, 11/15/23
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Can we get Nic CAge Doom opposite Pascal Richards

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In reply to Saxsoon • 3:38p, 11/15/23
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Totally on board with Pedro but he's older than I expected them to go.
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3:58p, 11/15/23
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So that means Pascal would have the following on his resume...

Star Wars
Game of Thrones
Last of Us
DCEU
MCU

Straight up nerd royalty, alongside Andy Serkis.
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3:58p, 11/15/23
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Are they going to rename the character Senor Fantastico?
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 4:10p, 11/15/23
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You obviously meant if he'll be called Ricky Ricardo, right?
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In reply to Saxsoon • 4:11p, 11/15/23
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Saxsoon said:
Can we get Nic CAge Doom opposite Pascal Richards



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4:12p, 11/15/23
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I'm starting to imagine a post credits Deadpool 3 scene where Deadpool tells the audience marvel realized Kang wasn't working so he killed Kang and don't worry about that guy anymore.

Like. Surely Deadpool will comment on the change in direction somehow, right?
Thanks and gig'em
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4:16p, 11/15/23
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Yeah, this movie ain't happening…

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In reply to jokershady • 4:22p, 11/15/23
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jokershady said:
Ok. This looks fun!

I literally just came to TexAgs after watching that. It's a really well done trailer.
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In reply to redline248 • 4:59p, 11/15/23
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Yeah, there's some fun tidbits in there. Looking forward to this one.
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In reply to redline248 • 5:16p, 11/15/23
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Who is the kid at the start?
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 5:24p, 11/15/23
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
So that means Pascal would have the following on his resume...

Star Wars
Game of Thrones
Last of Us
DCEU
MCU

Straight up nerd royalty, alongside Andy Serkis.

Add to that Gladiator 2. What a run this guy has been on...

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YNWA_AG said:
Saxsoon said:
Can we get Nic CAge Doom opposite Pascal Richards





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