AgfromHOU said:

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This has some great potential

#BlueBeetle - only in theaters August 18. pic.twitter.com/MiSrwvzFA6

— DC (@DCComics) December 3, 2022

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Looks like a Transformer logo.

That's not totally inappropriate

Thank god. Gunn and Safran already making smart/cunning decisions.

Very interesting...

The state of DC films before next week's big presentation: Will Henry Cavill's cameo in THE FLASH be cut? (TBD) Is MAN OF STEEL 2 dead? (It seems to be, despite that Insta announcement) BLACK ADAM sequel? (Let's see that spreadsheet) Momoa as Lobo? (Go ahead and ask him) https://t.co/9cF0KPbAa7

— Borys Kit (@Borys_Kit) December 8, 2022

Sounds like they might very well be setting fire to the entire DCEU as we knew it. If so, fine by me...

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The rest of the DC slate remains in flux, or at least being kept deep in a pocket of Gunn's own utility belt but there are several rumors and possible scenarios to consider ahead of next week's meeting.

The first, which builds on the shuttering of Jenkins' Wonder Woman 3, is the closing curtain of the Snyderverse, and the heroes cast by filmmaker Zack Snyder for his Justice League. This one sees the shutting down of Man of Steel 2, with a returning Henry Cavill, and having no more Aquaman, fronted by Jason Momoa.

These characters are to cameo in Flash, the highly-anticipated time travel adventure movie that is due to release June 16. Cavill shot his part of the cameo in September. But sources say there is a debate inside the studio as whether or not to keep the cameo and if its inclusion promises something that studio would have no plans on delivering.

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Also unlikely is a sequel to Black Adam. Despite the hype surrounding the movie of launching a new corner of DC, a lot of it led by star Dwayne Johnson, the movie has only grossed $385 million worldwide and insiders at the studio say the movie, which cost more than $190 million to produce (two sources peg the actual cost at $230 million, not including marketing), will be lucky to break even, even considering ancillary revenue. Even if the movie does eke out a minimal profit, any follow-up's inherent rising costs dim the prospect of a sequel.

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Momoa, meanwhile, could emerge as a pivotal figure into the new plans, according to several sources. In one scenario, the actor would wrap up his days as underwater hero Arthur Curry with Lost City, due out Dec. 25, 2023, which would be the final movie released that was made by the previous regime. But it would not spell the end of the actor's involvement with DC, with sources saying the actor would lead another movie or franchise. The character of Lobo, a foul-mouthed cigar-chomping intergalactic bounty hunter, has been mentioned in connection with Momoa.

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In other words, the old DCEU ends in 2023, with Aquaman and Lost Kingdom. Then, going forward, DC is either going to see a complete cinematic reboot - or - a soft reboot, which could have loose connective tissue to what came before, if, say, Cavill or whoever else does indeed come back. At the moment, though, the former is sounding more likely than the latter.

I wish we could do a full reboot, but no way Gunn shuts the door on his movie and show that he's made for DC thus far. Black Adam did seem to fit that, but I'm glad he and Safran have this much control.

I'm cool with them rebooting it, but using Mamoa as Lobo would just be stupid.

Does he fit the role? Sure.

But should they use the guy that just played Aquaman in God knows how many movies? No

And don't point out Evans as the Human Torch then Capt America. Those two characters are so completely different, and hell Evans even looked much different between those two films.

Mamoa really only plays one character in every movie, and he'll look exactly the same as Lobo as he did as Aquaman.

Bill Parcells once said: “If they want you to cook the dinner…they ought to let you shop for the groceries.”#JamesGunn and #PeterSafran just want to shop for the groceries THEY want to make their #DC dinner.

So let ‘em shop and cook. Then we’ll all judge the meal afterwards.

— John Rocha aka The Outlaw Nation (@TheRochaSays) December 8, 2022

I've never been much of a DC guy, but is there really that much demand for Lobo movie?

Would torching the old DCEU include purging Gunn's prior movies and projects from the continuum? Or would we be pretending everything outside Peacemaker and Gunn's suicide squad never happened but those movies did?

I'm all for a hard reboot and trust Gunn to deliver something that's at least entertaining. The current incarnation has limped on long enough, fueled only by the desperate fans of DC comics who will pay to see anything with their favorite characters in it. Start making good movies and this could boom, especially as Marvel's first wave of heroes fades away.

This is what I'm wondering as well. Gunn has said publicly that he's doing a second season of Peacemaker, and I'm pretty sure it was officially picked up by HBO Max. Heck, it might already even be written. But Gunn committed well before he took over DC, and well before taking over DC was ever a realistic option. So maybe now that he has the opportunity to mold the entire franchise, he's willing to scrap Peacemaker too? It would be super weird if that was the only DCEU project to stick around, especially considering the Justice League showed up in the season one finale. That said, it was a great show, and I don't want to see it become collateral damage, but if I had to choose between a fresh DC reboot and a second season of Peacemaker, I'm definitely choosing the former.

As long as they don't drag The Batman into this

AgfromHOU said:

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As long as they don't drag The Batman into this

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No kidding, they better not f*** with that

FL_Ag1998 said:

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AgfromHOU said:

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As long as they don't drag The Batman into this

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No kidding, they better not f*** with that

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Gunn did tweet out that The Batman is under the DC Studios umbrella

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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AgfromHOU said:

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As long as they don't drag The Batman into this

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No kidding, they better not f*** with that

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Recasting him as Jason Momoa

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Now that was funny.

Is it too late to go back in time and force kid AgfromHOU to grow up liking Marvel instead of DC

If they do torch it, have it reset back to the end of Man of Steel and go from there. Hey, if Halloween can do that...

If on the app you'll have to click on each tweet to see what each tweet is saying. It's a thread from Gunn about the THR report from yesterday.

Although this first month at DC has been fruitful, building the next ten years of story takes time & we’re still just beginning.

— James Gunn (@JamesGunn) December 8, 2022

We know we are not going to make every single person happy every step of the way, but we can promise everything we do is done in the service of the STORY & in the service of the DC CHARACTERS we know you cherish and we have cherished our whole lives.

— James Gunn (@JamesGunn) December 8, 2022

As for more answers about the future of the DCU, I will sadly have to ask you to wait. We are giving these characters & the stories the time & attention they deserve & we ourselves still have a lot more questions to ask & answer. pic.twitter.com/sxwKGRD3vc

— James Gunn (@JamesGunn) December 8, 2022

I love that Gunn addresses stuff like this head on. Dude is always pretty open and honest.

AgfromHOU said:

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If on the app you'll have to click on each tweet to see what each tweet is saying. It's a thread from Gunn about the THR report from yesterday.

Although this first month at DC has been fruitful, building the next ten years of story takes time & we’re still just beginning.

— James Gunn (@JamesGunn) December 8, 2022

We know we are not going to make every single person happy every step of the way, but we can promise everything we do is done in the service of the STORY & in the service of the DC CHARACTERS we know you cherish and we have cherished our whole lives.

— James Gunn (@JamesGunn) December 8, 2022

As for more answers about the future of the DCU, I will sadly have to ask you to wait. We are giving these characters & the stories the time & attention they deserve & we ourselves still have a lot more questions to ask & answer. pic.twitter.com/sxwKGRD3vc

— James Gunn (@JamesGunn) December 8, 2022

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Stating the obvious, but this is what DC should have done back before Man of Steel was released.

I think the Synderverse was overall pretty damn good (including Zach Synder's Justice League rather than the hacked-up version Joss Whedon gave us), the first Wonder Woman and Aquaman were also enjoyable, but the way then went about telling these stories was bad. They gave us a quick glimpse of Aquaman in Batman V Superman, then there he is in either version of JL, before we ever got to see his origin story. Marvel went about it the right way in giving us back stories to lesser-known characters before throwing them all together in The Avengers. Kudos to Gunn for recognizing this flaw in the original DCU and telling everyone to have some *** patience so that they can put together a higher quality storyline.

Originally Snyder was only supposed to do a Superman trilogy in the vein of Nolan's Batman trilogy, so preplanning that wasn't exactly there.

Then they pivoted to giving Snyder a 5 film JL arc that allowed for a few spin-offs. That contributed to the almost three year gap between Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. Snyder's arc would have finished in 2020 if it had been allowed to be completed, and we would be rebooting now anyways, or seeing the mantles passed on to DC's legacy heroes (which are sometimes even better than the originals).

I don't think Snyder intended on having 20+ films for the universe, but it's obvious WB did and there was some disconnect.

I also don't think you have to do it the Marvel way. We could easily see a JL movie kick off the universe and then build out from there. The DCAMU did it (Flashpoint Paradox through JL Dark Apokolips) with great success. People know Batman and Superman's origins.

Yeah, Man of Steel underperforming at the box office is basically what created the "Snyder-verse." MoS came out in June 2013, didn't meet box office expectations, and WB panicked. They didn't think the Superman brand alone was enough to warrant a solo sequel, so they hastily threw together Batman v Superman and announced it the very next month at Comic-Con, in July 2013.

Quite a few more details in this follow-up...

DC Disruption Has Town Jittery: What’s Next For ‘Man Of Steel’ & Other Sequels After ‘Wonder Woman 3’ Jolt https://t.co/ggSxypxFRm

— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) December 8, 2022

Basically, it sounds like Cavill went rogue and announced that he was back, before conferring with Warner Bros, before signing a deal, and before even speaking with Gunn and Safran, who were announced as the new DC heads the very next day. It seems they had no idea Cavill's announcement was coming, and it sounds like Cavill had no idea they were taking over.

Another issue is that all this stuff is leaking before Gunn and Safran have even been able to solidify their overarching DC plans themselves. It just sounds like a complete clusterf/ck, through no fault of Gunn and Safran, but rather due to WB failing to manage the situation properly and not communicating to their current DC talent to hold tight while Gunn and Safran do their thing. For instance, why even have Patty Jenkins submit her WW3 outline before all of this is figured out? Gunn and Safran having to deal with that, in the midst of trying to format their own slate, is not only an unnecessary headache, but *the* leak that is caused all this panic and the damn to break.

What's also crazy is the lack of communication because the Superman instagram account reposted Cavill's announcement

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CkG8-RfuPFe/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=

I got the distinct feeling (and concern) that Cavill had jumped the gun and put out that Instagram story basically just to let the fans know that he was in, and putting the ball in WB's court to either get a contract signed or fast track MoS 2. Either because he was unhappy about the lack of progress or out of concern that they wouldn't want to go forward if Black Adam bombed.

What a sh*t show. I'm sorry, but writing and directing one of the worst superhero movies ever made should be a pretty big indicator that your vision isn't unimpeachable. It sure as hell shouldn't give you this level of assuredness, to the point of not even listening to at least four established and proven executives all telling you your vision's not working…

Exclusive details from ⁦⁦@elmayimbe⁩: What Really Happened to Wonder Woman 3: Patty Jenkins Walked Off https://t.co/7KgykNtobM

— Sharon Waxman (@sharonwaxman) December 8, 2022

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I got the distinct feeling (and concern) that Cavill had jumped the gun and put out that Instagram story basically just to let the fans know that he was in, and putting the ball in WB's court to either get a contract signed or fast track MoS 2. Either because he was unhappy about the lack of progress or out of concern that they wouldn't want to go forward if Black Adam bombed.

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Yep. That almost assuredly exactly why he did it.