AgfromHOU said:

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At least the new Superman movie won't be an origin movie

He's not meeting the major characters for the first time, either. He's merely younger.

— James Gunn (@JamesGunn) December 15, 2022

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Potentially an adaptation of Superman for All Seasons? The second, third, and fourth vignettes could fit that sort of timeline.

Looks like all Justice League actors are out now, full reboot:

According to @THR, the whole Justice League is getting recasted. The actors have had meetings with James Gunn and Peter Safran regarding how else they can contribute to the DCU.

Jason Momoa and Ben Affleck have lots of interest in helping James and Peter (Affleck by directing). pic.twitter.com/qUVkaHbooZ

— Home of DCU (@homeofdcu) December 16, 2022

Behind the Fall of Henry Cavill’s Superman https://t.co/izY7UdWJ3o

— The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) December 16, 2022

Sources say Henry Cavill was paid $250,000 each for his cameos in #BlackAdam and #TheFlash https://t.co/1QQB7ydgtK

— The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) December 16, 2022

Well I guess that spoils the Superman cameo in The Flash?

They've cut it. They've cut both the Superman and Wonder Woman cameos in The Flash, as to not tease fans anymore in regards to projects that aren't coming out.

This is getting hard to keep up with DC, so can someone answer these questions...


So The Rock played hardball behind the scenes, and pushed to get Cavill back as Superman and as the big teaser for Black Adam

This was obviously to set up a future with Black Adam facing Superman, and then most likely teaming up... so safe to say several more movies was what the Rock (and Cavill) were intending

While this is happening, DC is in flux, bring in Gunn and Safran... and then they decide to reboot everything and start from scratch... so no more Cavill. (also this is the right decision, even though most everyone likes Cavill)


So safe to assume, the Rock is pissed... but also Black Adam sucked and underperformed (which kind of seems to be the Rock's M.O. lately)... so are we done with Black Adam? And The Rock turns down a teaser in Shazam 2 out of spite? Is he done with the role?

Sex Panther said:

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This is getting hard to keep up with DC, so can someone answer these questions...


So The Rock played hardball behind the scenes, and pushed to get Cavill back as Superman and as the big teaser for Black Adam

Yes, despite old DC wanting Cavill back for a different tease

This was obviously to set up a future with Black Adam facing Superman, and then most likely teaming up... so safe to say several more movies was what the Rock (and Cavill) were intending

Yes. They have the same agent and have long talked about meeting up on screen. There's an instagram post with them sharing tequila over it.

While this is happening, DC is in flux, bring in Gunn and Safran... and then they decide to reboot everything and start from scratch... so no more Cavill. (also this is the right decision, even though most everyone likes Cavill)

Yes, and will be interesting to see what happens with TSS and Peacemaker since Gunn made those


So safe to assume, the Rock is pissed... but also Black Adam sucked and underperformed (which kind of seems to be the Rock's M.O. lately)... so are we done with Black Adam? And The Rock turns down a teaser in Shazam 2 out of spite? Is he done with the role?

Definitely done with the role and DC. In my opinion it seems like he tried to strong arm DC/WB into doing what he wanted, and Gunn/Safran didn't want the same thing

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I did enjoy Black Adam, but at the end I just wanted more Superman, not more Black Adam.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOc6cm-jYpV/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=

AgfromHOU said:

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Sex Panther said:

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This is getting hard to keep up with DC, so can someone answer these questions...


So The Rock played hardball behind the scenes, and pushed to get Cavill back as Superman and as the big teaser for Black Adam

Yes, despite old DC wanting Cavill back for a different tease

This was obviously to set up a future with Black Adam facing Superman, and then most likely teaming up... so safe to say several more movies was what the Rock (and Cavill) were intending

Yes. They have the same agent and have long talked about meeting up on screen. There's an instagram post with them sharing tequila over it.

While this is happening, DC is in flux, bring in Gunn and Safran... and then they decide to reboot everything and start from scratch... so no more Cavill. (also this is the right decision, even though most everyone likes Cavill)

Yes, and will be interesting to see what happens with TSS and Peacemaker since Gunn made those


So safe to assume, the Rock is pissed... but also Black Adam sucked and underperformed (which kind of seems to be the Rock's M.O. lately)... so are we done with Black Adam? And The Rock turns down a teaser in Shazam 2 out of spite? Is he done with the role?

Definitely done with the role and DC. In my opinion it seems like he tried to strong arm DC/WB into doing what he wanted, and Gunn/Safran didn't want the same thing

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I did enjoy Black Adam, but at the end I just wanted more Superman, not more Black Adam.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOc6cm-jYpV/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=

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Great analysis. I would only add that the reason for all this confusion in the first place (besides DC's usual ineptitude) was that Discovery was taking over Warner Bros, the head of DC stepped down (who really wasn't much of a leader/visionary to begin with), and various producers were left attempting to man the ship, all while Black Adam was being made/released. So it was basically the perfect storm of disorganization and craziness that allowed any of this to happen. That said, as much as I'm starting to dislike David Zaslav (the new head of Warner Bros Discovery), to his credit, it was his mandate that WB finally get their sh*t together when it comes DC, it just took him a few months to get around to finally hiring new leadership, in the form of Gunn and Safran, considering everything else he's been tasked with during the merger/takeover. So yeah, there was an extended, rudderless period, in addition to all the headaches Covid caused, that led to this whole fiasco, but now hopefully the ship is being righted (or, rather, a better analogy is that the old ship is being completely dismantled, while a brand new one is being built).

Not much of a "scoop", considering the upcoming reboot

Read the room Levi...

(His Shazam is out too in case it wasn't obvious) https://t.co/iAQeMM6rXK

— MyTimeToShineHello (@MyTimeToShineH) December 17, 2022

The Rock worked for a looong time to get Black Adam made. It's not so different than Reynolds doing Deadpool. He's right to be pissed.

Black Adam now on HBO Max.

Zach Levi is an awesome guy. Just another casualty of the DCEU FU. Worked his ass off to get a leading role, turns in a good effort, and they piss it away. He, Cavil, and Gal Gadot should do a podcast together.

This is getting so stupid. Reading the tweets Fisher screenshots, and then Gunn's response, I don't at all see what Fisher could possibly have an issue with. I know he went through some sh*t, and Whedon sounds like a legit PoS, but good gosh can we stop with all this nonsense?

James Gunn Responds To Ray Fisher After ‘Justice League’ Star Slammed DC Head For “Fake Grace On Twitter” https://t.co/YBbbvXX5nj

— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) December 20, 2022

At the very least, why isn't Warner Bros or their PR department heading off all this drama. Why allow Gunn to be the first and only defense?

Sigh

TCTTS said:

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At the very least, why isn't Warner Bros or their PR department heading off all this drama. Why allow Gunn to be the first and only defense?

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I know this is rhetorical, but you know why. It's the same reason they find themselves in this mess to begin with. They don't have A PLAN other than Gunn is awesome so he should handle it.

TCTTS said:

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This is getting so stupid. Reading the tweets Fisher screenshots, and then Gunn's response, I don't at all see what Fisher could possibly have an issue with. I know he went through some sh*t, and Whedon sounds like a legit PoS, but good gosh can we stop with all this nonsense?

James Gunn Responds To Ray Fisher After ‘Justice League’ Star Slammed DC Head For “Fake Grace On Twitter” https://t.co/YBbbvXX5nj

— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) December 20, 2022

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He quoted tweets where Gunn literally apologized just after the incident then...got mad about it?

Attention.

In other news, watched Black Adam last night and it was...ok. Tonally really odd, it couldn't seem to quite decide what it was and the humor (while actually funny in places) felt really shoehorned in. And Pierce Brosnan was way too good for this film, as expected.

It also did the insanely annoying and cliched trope, weirdly like the first Suicide Squad, of introducing "the team" to Amanda Waller one by one with random little vignettes showing how carefree/charming/dumb they are before telling us what their powers are. So lazy.

i just started listening to The Midnight Boys pod where they're playing DC armchair CEO. haven't finished it yet, but man, it would be a pretty daunting gig right now.

you've got to release aquaman 2 and the flash movie, but how do you get people to go see it knowing it literally leads to nothing?

then you're basically hard-rebooting everything, but you've still got multiple other Batman and Joker stories going that you have zero control over. so do you just avoid those characters until those stories are done? how long that will that be?

i'm still hopeful they get it turned around and start pumping out some quality movies, but man...they really britta'd this thing

I would be shocked if there's a third Joker movie, so that franchise will likely at least be done (in 2024) by the time the new DCU starts (in 2025/26). And I think you get around Pattinson's Batman by making the Gunn/"prime" Batman a much older iteration, or something like that. Basically, different enough to where it's super obvious the Gunn version is a completely different character in a completely different universe. I broke all this down last week, but there's also likely going to be an "alternate" Superman as well, different from Gunn's, which is the Abrams/Coates black Superman, siphoned off in his own universe as well. So there will be the Gunn iterations of Batman, Superman, and all the other superheroes they interact with in the DCU, but then also "alt" versions of Batman and Superman (Pattinson and the black Superman), each very different from their "prime" counterparts, each in their own separate universes (for three universes total). Something along those lines. Granted, all of this is in flux and could obviously change, but reading the tea leaves, that's what it's looking like as of now.

PR on this has been bad the whole time. Gunn obviously had a plan and it was good enough to get him the job. That plan should have been announced day one when he was announced as the head.

The problem is, all these meetings they're having with talent are leaking. They're meeting with, say, Cavill, to tell him face to face that he's not coming back, so he doesn't end up hearing it first in the press. Which is commendable and how it should done. But then someone leaks that Cavill's not coming back, and then Gunn - while still in the middle of planning the new DCU - is left having to do damage control when the fans riot. So maybe Gunn & co shouldn't have met with Cavill & co until the plan was 100% complete? But if they go that route, then the second the plan is complete, it's going to leak that Cavill's not a part of it, and he ends up hearing it in the press first. It's a catch-22, and I really don't know what the solution is.

TCTTS said:

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The problem is, all these meetings they're having with talent are leaking. They're meeting with, say, Cavill, to tell him face to face that he's not coming back, so he doesn't end up hearing it first in the press. Which is commendable and how it should done. But then someone leaks that Cavill's not coming back, and then Gunn - while still in the middle of planning the new DCU - is left having to do damage control when the fans riot. So maybe Gunn & co shouldn't have met with the likes of Cavill & co until the plan was 100% complete? But if they go that route, then the second the plan is complete, it's going to leak that Cavill's not a part of it, and he ends up hearing it in the press first. It's a catch-22, and I really don't know what the solution is.

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which gets back to, maybe Gunn should just let it go. the best long-term "damage control" is just to make good films. there is literally nothing he can say right now that would appease the various worked up twitter mobs.

I feel bad commenting on this very long thread because I don't know the history of what is going on.

All I know is that I really enjoyed Man of Steel, and was very perplexed why they didn't bring it back. I'm not sure how accurate the data is, but I read MoS grossed $680M WW and Black Adam was $380M WW. I haven't seen BA yet, but will catch it for free on TV.

I read some snippets about Gunn coming in and rewriting the universe. This reminds me of a company I used to work for, that would decide to do a re-org every 18-24 months to make things "more efficient". In reality, they were just moving paper from one side of the desk to the other without really accomplishing anything...perhaps even rearranging decks on the titanic.

I want to see Man of Steel 2 with Henry Cavill. Am I the minority here that thinks they could have made $680 million x 2?

evan_aggie said:

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I feel bad commenting on this very long thread because I don't know the history of what is going on.

All I know is that I really enjoyed Man of Steel, and was very perplexed why they didn't bring it back. I'm not sure how accurate the data is, but I read MoS grossed $680M WW and Black Adam was $380M WW. I haven't seen BA yet, but will catch it for free on TV.

I read some snippets about Gunn coming in and rewriting the universe. This reminds me of a company I used to work for, that would decide to do a re-org every 18-24 months to make things "more efficient". In reality, they were just moving paper from one side of the desk to the other without really accomplishing anything...perhaps even rearranging decks on the titanic.

I want to see Man of Steel 2 with Henry Cavill. Am I the minority here that thinks they could have made $680 million x 2?

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680 million would be a let down for a tentpole Superman film.

I liked Man of Steel but it was a bright spot in an otherwise long string of bad movies. Blame Snyder and Whedon and Jenkins but that universe would have been hard to salvage

canadiaggie said:

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evan_aggie said:

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I feel bad commenting on this very long thread because I don't know the history of what is going on.

All I know is that I really enjoyed Man of Steel, and was very perplexed why they didn't bring it back. I'm not sure how accurate the data is, but I read MoS grossed $680M WW and Black Adam was $380M WW. I haven't seen BA yet, but will catch it for free on TV.

I read some snippets about Gunn coming in and rewriting the universe. This reminds me of a company I used to work for, that would decide to do a re-org every 18-24 months to make things "more efficient". In reality, they were just moving paper from one side of the desk to the other without really accomplishing anything...perhaps even rearranging decks on the titanic.

I want to see Man of Steel 2 with Henry Cavill. Am I the minority here that thinks they could have made $680 million x 2?

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680 million would be a let down for a tentpole Superman film.

I liked Man of Steel but it was a bright spot in an otherwise long string of bad movies. Blame Snyder and Whedon and Jenkins but that universe would have been hard to salvage

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But that's my point. It was a good movie, and the best performer out of the rest.

You think my wife gives a crap about the universe? or 80% of the viewers? No, not really. We want an entertaining movie.