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It doesn't matter how popular the comics are, they make a small portion of the movie going public. DC seems to be trying to make movies for fanboys while Marvel makes movies for families.


I think that's 180 degrees wrong. Marvel has ripped their characters straight off of the comic pages. DC has done that with none of their characters.

You don't have to change their powers either. The animated stories have proven this. Compelling stories can be told, just get the damn character development right.
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Bruce Almighty
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It doesn't matter how popular the comics are, they make a small portion of the movie going public. DC seems to be trying to make movies for fanboys while Marvel makes movies for families.


I think that's 180 degrees wrong. Marvel has ripped their characters straight off of the comic pages. DC has done that with none of their characters.

You don't have to change their powers either. The animated stories have proven this. Compelling stories can be told, just get the damn character development right.


I don't read the comics so I wouldn't know, but Snyder has been on record saying he made a movie that he thought fanboys would want.
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Like batman being raped
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It doesn't matter how popular the comics are, they make a small portion of the movie going public. DC seems to be trying to make movies for fanboys while Marvel makes movies for families.


I think that's 180 degrees wrong. Marvel has ripped their characters straight off of the comic pages. DC has done that with none of their characters.

You don't have to change their powers either. The animated stories have proven this. Compelling stories can be told, just get the damn character development right.


I don't read the comics so I wouldn't know, but Snyder has been on record saying he made a movie that he thought fanboys would want.


Most fanboys on here went.
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It doesn't matter how popular the comics are, they make a small portion of the movie going public. DC seems to be trying to make movies for fanboys while Marvel makes movies for families.


I think that's 180 degrees wrong. Marvel has ripped their characters straight off of the comic pages. DC has done that with none of their characters.

You don't have to change their powers either. The animated stories have proven this. Compelling stories can be told, just get the damn character development right.
The animated stories relied HEAVILY on Superman and/or Wonder Woman and/or whoever being unavailable for vaguely specified reasons. You can get away with that in a series, but not in a movie. The animated series was also very fond of doing things in outer space with vast, planet-spanning villains, which is a hard sell for a film. Magic has also traditionally been a hard sell, but they seem to be over that.

The Timmverse also is noteworthy for toning down Superman. He had to breathe even to the extent of wearing an atmospheric suit when in space, or having some risk of drowning. He was REALLY fast, but not "speed of light" fast (yes, he raced Flash to a draw, but that was also a toned-down Flash). He was incredibly strong and invulnerable, but capable of being knocked out of a fight for at least a time.
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Something I could see, and get behind: a villain or villains that are trying to break Superman's spirits. Hitting many places at once, can't be found by brute strength or X-Ray vision. They can't take him on alone but maybe they can try and get him to lose faith in humanity. Kind of like Joker in the Dark Knight.

That would give Supes an opportunity to speak at length about truth, justice and maybe the American way. To be the beacon of hope that the Man of Steel trailers wanted him to be.
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To be the beacon of hope that the Man of Steel trailers wanted him to be.

I may or may not watch the original teaser at least once a month and wistfully dream about the movie that trailer hinted at, but ultimately didn't deliver. Still one of the greatest teasers of all time.
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Screw it. So we can all dream, once more...

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The Timmverse also is noteworthy for toning down Superman. He had to breathe even to the extent of wearing an atmospheric suit when in space, or having some risk of drowning. He was REALLY fast, but not "speed of light" fast (yes, he raced Flash to a draw, but that was also a toned-down Flash). He was incredibly strong and invulnerable, but capable of being knocked out of a fight for at least a time.


Wasn't the very original incarnation (1938?) of Superman kinda like this? Couldn't really fly just jump really far because super strength, stuff like that?
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Some off the most compelling Superman stories come from alternate universes/timelines where he's the villain.
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I remember I got one of my friends to believe it was a teaser for Aquaman, from the water shot.
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The Timmverse also is noteworthy for toning down Superman. He had to breathe even to the extent of wearing an atmospheric suit when in space, or having some risk of drowning. He was REALLY fast, but not "speed of light" fast (yes, he raced Flash to a draw, but that was also a toned-down Flash). He was incredibly strong and invulnerable, but capable of being knocked out of a fight for at least a time.


Wasn't the very original incarnation (1938?) of Superman kinda like this? Couldn't really fly just jump really far because super strength, stuff like that?
Yep, which is weird to think about... a Superman who can't fly. Not saying we should necessarily go back to that, but his roots are far more grounded than what he has become.
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Mashable / "What if 'Wonder Woman' is terrible too? Because that seems likely now."
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I have never been a DC fan, but I have never had any interest in WW outside of 70s Lynda Carter and its cheesiness, and absolutely none in this movie.
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WW comics got a real shot in the arm when they turned that book into a vehicle for magic and mythology in the DC universe. The movie, potentially, could do the same.

It has a very popular male lead to team with Gadot, who seemed to surprise many in BvS at how well she sold her role as WW. I know I was surprised how well she came off, especially given how pointless her appearance in the movie was.

It's all set in a time period that the world is sorta obsessed with right now (at least the Western world). We're seeing a lot of period dramas from around that era.

Like Suicide Squad, it has potential, but can WB/DC capitalize? The biggest problem that I see, like I mentioned earlier in the thread, is that to date no real rules have been established. As a viewer, I have no idea what "magic" is in the DC Cinematic Universe. We've seen WW already, but without ANY context. She's really just a flightless female Superman at this point.We saw a lot of magic in Suicide Squad, but we just sorta were asked to take it on faith. I, for one, don't necessarily equate Greek mythology with whatever sort of elemental magic we saw from Diablo and Enchantress. The WW film can absolutely establish those rules, and if it does, it will be fine. If Zeus shows up in the third act without any preparation, then people will hate the movie while fanboys say, "Duh, of course Zeus showed up! It's Wonder Woman!"

Big, big test for them.

Side note: How are they going to shoehorn Flash into Wonder Woman?
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http://www.thewrap.com/aquaman-villain-revealed-exclusive/
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http://www.thewrap.com/aquaman-villain-revealed-exclusive/


No shock. That's a tough costume to translate to screen.
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Mashable / "What if 'Wonder Woman' is terrible too? Because that seems likely now."



^Those tweets from the article in which the DIRECTOR of Wonder Woman actually thought Suicide Squad was "GREAT" and was confused by the reviews?!?! She's joking right?.....

DC is so ****ed.
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I don't think you can assume anyone on the "inside" would be genuinely truthful about another DC film.
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Wonder Woman is so spare.
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I don't think you can assume anyone on the "inside" would be genuinely truthful about another DC film.


Of course, but I also wouldn't go out of my way to overtly compliment something I knew was garbage. At best it's blatantly hallow politics, at worst she actually believes that and sows even further doubt that her 2nd directorial effort could be in for some trouble.

DC hasn't earned that pass.
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Or even just "Had a blast at Suicide Squad, loved it!" Totally understandable to support your fellow director.

The "I don't get the critics" comments indicate either silly optimism or a dangerous disconnect.
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Or even just "Had a blast at Suicide Squad, loved it!" Totally understandable to support your fellow director.

The "I don't get the critics" comments indicate either silly optimism or a dangerous disconnect.



From everything we have seen... I am going to go with, what is a dangerous disconnect for $500 Alex.
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Even with the worst reviews, one thing that many people have said is that the cast, for the most part, is good. Will Smith, Margot Robbie, Viola Davis, even Jai Courtney....they are doing their best and I enjoyed them.

It's the script, editing, tone, villain and directing that fails.

So......yeah. I would still love to see this cast again in a better movie.
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This won't make a bit of difference in the big picture, but man is this letter - from a former WB employee - getting a ton of play online...

http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/an-open-letter-to-warner-bros-ceo-kevin-tsujihara-about-layoffs-zack-snyder-and-donuts.php

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"Maybe Wonder Woman wouldn't be such a mess. Don't try to hide behind the great trailer. People inside are already confirming it's another mess. It is almost impressive how you keep rewarding the same producers and executives for making the same mistakes, over and over."
TCTTS
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Interesting follow up...

http://www.thewrap.com/read-the-blistering-open-letter-to-warner-bros-and-ceo-kevin-tsujihara/
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Zack Snyder is not delivering. Is he being punished? Assistants who were doing fantastic work certainly were. People in finance and in marketing and in IT. They had no say in a movie called Batman V Superman only having 8 minutes of Batman fighting Superman in it, that ends because their moms have the same name.
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You just don't get it. And it's not just DC movies, it's your whole slate. Jupiter Ascending. Get Hard. Hot Pursuit. Max. Vacation. Pan. Point Break. ****ing PAN, you jerk. People lost their jobs and you decided Pan was a good idea. You think another Jungle Book is a good idea.
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Dammmmmmn.
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I had to look up what Max was. But anybody that greenlit Pan does need to be fired.
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Ok, I just got back from seeing Suicide Squad. Not the greatest movie but it also is not the crapfest I was expecting. I am sure someone will be along to tell me why it is dog crap, but I just did not see it that way.

I liked Margor Robbie a lot, and I thought Will Smith was great. Did not care for Leto's Joker in much the same way that I did not like Eisenberg's Luthor, probably because neither captured my pre-conceived notions of those characters.

The story was muddled, the villain/threat was pretty lame, sure, but I will give it props for Deadshot and Harley Quinn. Knew nothing of any of the other members of the squad, so I did appreciate the introductions of all these characters at the beginning of the movie.
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I was a defender of BMvsSM. I thought the extended cut was a good movie.

But suicide squad is lazy as hell. Its just a terrible movie with no character development and no characters you can really root for. I just found nothing outside of the visuals in this movie was worth a damn.

When you look at how marvel developed their characters over time and built a universe where Guardians of the Galaxy could succeed, you see a lot of effort being put in. DC tried to jump right to that point with no actual development. Its just lazy.

There was no need for Joker in this film. So many of the characters are just throw aways tossed in for no reason. Harley-Joker is painted as a love story when its not a love story. Joker is abusive AF in that relationship, not caring.
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I was a defender of BMvsSM.


Ugh, why? Garbage like that is what allowed suicide squad to exist in the first place
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Its not garbage though. Its certainly not deserving of the ratings it got from critics. Its not a great film, but its not terrible either. SS on the other hand, is just terrible.
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