Entertainment
Sponsored by

***FIRST MAN (Ryan Gosling, dir.Damien Chazelle)

68,216 Views | 533 Replies | Last: 4 yr ago by TexAggie5432
TCTTS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Then I guess you're going to be disappointed yet again because the launch is shown ENTIRELY from inside the capsule. I know this because the launch is the sequence they showed in the IMAX footage before M:I6. It's the same footage that basically everyone who saw it is raving about, including myself, and it's literally breathtaking. In that it's so tense and engrossing that it actually takes your breath away. But oh, that's right, without even having seen that sequence or the movie for yourself, you, of all people, know what's better. You have the fix! To something that literally isn't even remotely broken. In fact, quite the opposite, in brilliant fashion.

aTm, I'm surprised you're not a director, writer, or producer, since you CLEARLY know all these beats that HAVE to be in such an already overwhelming well received movie, but aren't. Really, though, you sound like such a moron the more you go on and on about what HAS to be in this movie but isn't. The thought that literally the two most praised sequences of the movie - the launch and the moonwalk, both of which, for all intents and purposes, are unlike anything we've ever seen before in the best possible ways (one of which I can vouch for) - would somehow be BETTER because of your generic, dumb ass suggestions, is laughable. Just stop, man. For all of our sakes.
aTmAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
TCTTS said:

Then I guess you're going to be disappointed yet again because the launch is shown ENTIRELY from inside the capsule. I know this because the launch is the sequence they showed in the IMAX sequence before M:I6. It's the same footage that basically everyone who saw it is raving about, including myself, and it's literally breathtaking. In that it's so tense and engrossing that it actually takes your breath away. But oh, that's right, without even having seen that sequence or the movie for yourself, you, of all people, know what's better. You have the fix! To something that literally isn't even remotely broken. In fact, quite the opposite, in brilliant fashion.

aTm, I'm surprised you're not a director, writer, or producer, since you CLEARLY know all these beats that HAVE to be a the movie, but aren't. Really, though, you sound like such a moron the more you go on and on about what HAS to be in this movie but isn't. The thought that literally the two most praised sequences of the movie - the launch and the moonwalk, both of which, for all intents and purposes, are unlike anything we've ever seen before in the best possible ways (one of which I can vouch for) - would somehow be BETTER because of your generic, dumb ass suggestions, is laughable. Just stop, man. For all of our sakes.
Aaaah.. the personal insults. Typical TCTTS.

The more you praise this movie, the more likely it will suck. Every time I have followed your advice and watched a movie I have been sorely disappointed. Transformers, Elizabethtown, Girls, etc. I'm not sure I have ever seen anything you have been a part of, but I hope not. I hate paying money to be bored to tears.

And yeah, I would probably be a director, writer, or producer if I had flunked out of engineering school. But luckily, I did not.
TCTTS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
You've insulted me personally plenty of times. And then just called out my personal insult with another of your own. Nice.

Your schtick is INCESSANT, dude. Just utterly mind numbing, and if it wasn't clear before, I'll make it apparent now: I truly, genuinely dislike everything you bring to this board. It's not just the difference of opinion - I can and do handle that all the time, and welcome it more often than not from others - it's simply the way in which you hardly ever contribute to positive, constructive conversation. You seem like a smart guy, but with that comes this constant impulse to be the contrarian, constantly injecting some slavish view of whatever is being discussed, and it's beyond a slog to navigate, whenever and wherever you show up, which is increasingly more and more often.

Just try - I dare you - to actually bring positive, constructive contributions to this board every once in a while. Try not to CONSTANTLY be looking to start arguments - and then continue them ad nauseam - over and over and over in thread after thread after thread. It's to the point where I absolutely DREAD seeing your name in threads because it never means anything good. I just know, no matter what is being discussed, no matter what the predominant bent of the thread is, you've no doubt popped in to express the opposite. Looking for an argument. Looking for someone who will take your bait so you have someone to ping all of your "knowledge" off of.

Unfortunately, too often that person is me, and I'm just so ******* sick of it. Considering it's beyond apparent that you will never, ever change, I only have myself to blame.
aTmAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Scroll back to page 3 of this thread when I was pumping up this movie, posting videos of the real Saturn V launch, relating my personal story on what a shuttle launch was like for comparison, defending this movie against somebody who claimed this was basically a copy of Intersellar, etc. Go read the Americans thread, threads about Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, etc. I'm positive on all those.

The reason I seem so negative around you is because of you. And it's not just me. There are tons of people who are tired of your schtick which is basically to insult anybody who disagrees with you and dares to criticize the sanctity of Hollywood. Sorry.. but when somebody like Gosling says something ******ed, people are going to criticize it. Yet you consider it your duty to always ride to the rescue and fight to the death and defend these guys no matter how idiotic they are. And when you do so, you act like your father was insulted.

There are morons throughout Hollywood and they are going to be pointed out as such. Get over it.
Belton Ag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Well, at least we're past the politics of this thing. Now it's just an artistic direction that's the argument; I'd call that progress.

TCTTS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
aTmAg said:

Scroll back to page 3 of this thread when I was pumping up this movie, posting videos of the real Saturn V launch, relating my personal story on what a shuttle launch was like for comparison, defending this movie against somebody who claimed this was basically a copy of Intersellar, etc. Go read the Americans thread, threads about Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, etc. I'm positive on all those.

The reason I seem so negative around you is because of you. And it's not just me. There are tons of people who are tired of your schtick which is basically to insult anybody who disagrees with you and dares to criticize the sanctity of Hollywood. Sorry.. but when somebody like Gosling says something ******ed, people are going to criticize it. Yet you consider it your duty to always ride to the rescue and fight to the death and defend these guys no matter how idiotic it is. And when you do so, you act like your father was insulted.

There are morons all through Hollywood and they are going to be bashed as such. Get over it.

If I "insult" someone who disagrees with me, it's because of the WAY in which they disagree with me. It's not BECAUSE they disagree with me. There's a big difference there. I am definitely an argumentative person as well, and love a good discourse, but I think the difference between you and me and is that I try, as often as I can, to admit when I was wrong about something. I'm passionate about a lot of things, no doubt, but when I'm wrong, I come out and I say so, and you'll find plenty of examples of me doing so over the years, all across this board. At the very least, I also try to express my opinion or my thoughts in a way that is clear that I may not be right, or I may not be as informed as certain people might think I am on a subject. Granted, I sure as sh*t am not doing that in this thread, because I believe vehemently in what I'm arguing in this thread. And overall, I am well aware that I don't always succeed in saying, "Hey, I could be wrong about this," but same as the other point, you'll absolutely find plenty of examples of me saying as much.

For you, though, again, the issue is your incessantness. Just never a hint at even feigning any kind of humbleness or "This is what I think, but I may be wrong." You just STEAMROLL through thread after thread with a siren atop that screams, "I am right and I will listen to no other points of view, ever." There's not even a hint of engagement or discourse. You clearly have no desire to engage or learn, only to stuff your opinions down people's throats until they suffocate and relent. And it's just absolutely draining, if nothing else.

As for the Hollywood of it all, no doubt there are assh*les and morons all throughout this business. I've never disagreed with that. But it's the bashing that I disagree with when it's just beyond apparent that the bashing in a given thread will just cause that thread to go off the rails. As I've said before, bash all you want, but please at least do so in a manner in which the bashing doesn't constantly derail and become the end result of a thread.
TCTTS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Belton Ag said:

Well, at least we're past the politics of this thing. Now it's just an artistic direction that's the argument; I'd call that progress.

That is definitely one way of looking at it. Agreed!
aTmAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
TCTTS said:

aTmAg said:

Scroll back to page 3 of this thread when I was pumping up this movie, posting videos of the real Saturn V launch, relating my personal story on what a shuttle launch was like for comparison, defending this movie against somebody who claimed this was basically a copy of Intersellar, etc. Go read the Americans thread, threads about Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, etc. I'm positive on all those.

The reason I seem so negative around you is because of you. And it's not just me. There are tons of people who are tired of your schtick which is basically to insult anybody who disagrees with you and dares to criticize the sanctity of Hollywood. Sorry.. but when somebody like Gosling says something ******ed, people are going to criticize it. Yet you consider it your duty to always ride to the rescue and fight to the death and defend these guys no matter how idiotic it is. And when you do so, you act like your father was insulted.

There are morons all through Hollywood and they are going to be bashed as such. Get over it.

If I "insult" someone who disagrees with me, it's because of the WAY in which they disagree with me. It's not BECAUSE they disagree with me. There's a big difference there. I am definitely an argumentative person as well, and love a good discourse, but I think the difference between you and me and is that I try, as often as I can, to admit when I was wrong about something. I'm passionate about a lot of things, no doubt, but when I'm wrong, I come out and I say so, and you'll find plenty of examples of me doing so over the years, all across this board. At the very least, I also try to express my opinion or my thoughts in a way that is clear that I may not be right, or I may not be as informed as certain people might think I am on a subject. Granted, I sure as sh*t am not doing that in this thread, because I believe vehemently in what I'm arguing in this thread. And overall, I am well aware that I don't always succeed in saying, "Hey, I could be wrong about this," but same as the other point, you'll absolutely find plenty of examples of me saying as much.

For you, though, again, the issue is your incessantness. Just never a hint at even feigning any kind of humbleness or "This is what I think, but I may be wrong." You just STEAMROLL through thread after thread with a siren atop that screams, "I am right and I will listen to no other points of view, ever." There's not even a hint of engagement or discourse. You clearly have no desire to engage or learn, only to stuff your opinions down people's throats until they suffocate and relent. And it's just absolutely draining, if nothing else.

As for the Hollywood of it all, no doubt there are assh*les and morons all throughout this business. I've never disagreed with that. But it's the bashing that I disagree with when it's just beyond apparent that the bashing in a given thread will just cause that thread to go off the rails. As I've said before, bash all you want, but please at least do so in a manner in which the bashing doesn't constantly derail and become the end result of a thread.
You just aren't reading closely enough. Initially I thought this was political. Then I saw a tweet that said Gosling was responding to a question about playing Armstrong as a Canadian guy not about planting the flag. So then I came here and posted that. I was the first guy to do so. I still think what Gosling said was wrong and naive, but I haven't been pushing the political thing ever since. The majority of the time, my post has been about posting my OPINION that the decision to not show planting the flag (and now the launch) as being two lost opportunities. When I post an opinion, there is no reason to post "I could be wrong". Opinions are opinions. They aren't wrong or right. But when the facts seem to be wrong (such as the Gosling question) I come right in here and post a correction for everybody to see. (Even though I wasn't the guy who first posted the Gosling interview story.)

You are reading what you want to read because you are angry at the world.
TCTTS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I wasn't talking about this, specific instance anymore. I was clearly talking about your demeanor/habits in general. That, and you could have fooled me with these "opinions" of yours, when they're clearly stated in such a way as to imply fact. It doesn't sound like it's your opinion that this movie would be better with your suggestions. Rather, your words make it sound like the movie HAS to be the way you're suggesting, or that it WILL, in fact, be a failure.

And yep, despite doing exactly what I want to be doing in life, being beyond excited with where things are heading in that regard, having a great group of friends, a great family, and an all around comfortable and content life... you got me. The only reason I could possibly have the thoughts I do about this subject and others can only be because I'm "angry at the world." Come on, man. Give me a break. You're above that.
aTmAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
TCTTS said:

I wasn't talking about this, specific instance anymore. I was clearly talking about your demeanor/habits in general. That, and you could have fooled me with these "opinions" of yours, when they're clearly stated in such a way as to imply fact. It doesn't sound like it's your opinion that this movie would be better with your suggestions. Rather, your words make it sound like the movie HAS to be the way you're suggesting, or that it WILL, in fact, be a failure.

And yep, despite doing exactly what I want to be doing in life, being beyond excited with where things are heading in that regard, having a great group of friends, a great family, and an all around comfortable and content life... you got me. The only reason I could possibly have the thoughts I do about this subject and others can only be because I'm "angry at the world." Come on, man. Give me a break. You're above that.
Perhaps you need to look at yourself in the mirror. You have shown to be every bit as confident and unmovable in many of your opinions as I am in many of mine. For example, regarding how left leaning Hollywood is, you are every bit as convinced that they only slightly lean left as I am convinced that they lean WAY left. You state with 100% certainty that you are correct, that I am wrong, and that I have no idea what I am talking about. On that, your opinion is indisputable fact as far as you are concerned. That is no different than me and my opinion on socialism vs capitalism. Anybody who who is pro-socialism is wrong as hell and I will argue that for 100 pages if I have to. I suspect the reason we are somewhat contentious is that we are alike in that we will argue things that we are passionate about for 100 pages.

The reason it seems that I am this way on everything is because I don't post about things I'm luke warm about. Unlike Tanya, I don't have time or inclination to post on threads about my shoes, about what I had for breakfast, or other mundane crap. I post on something because I think I have something to say. This thread got my attention because I am a space aficionado. I lived it my entire childhood (a family friend died in the Challenger accident, for example). Early on I was 100% on board and excited about it. This last bit of news has made me less excited. At the moment, I will still see it, but my expectations are not as high as they were a month ago.
Bruce Almighty
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Good lord, just let it go.
TCTTS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
aTmAg said:

TCTTS said:

I wasn't talking about this, specific instance anymore. I was clearly talking about your demeanor/habits in general. That, and you could have fooled me with these "opinions" of yours, when they're clearly stated in such a way as to imply fact. It doesn't sound like it's your opinion that this movie would be better with your suggestions. Rather, your words make it sound like the movie HAS to be the way you're suggesting, or that it WILL, in fact, be a failure.

And yep, despite doing exactly what I want to be doing in life, being beyond excited with where things are heading in that regard, having a great group of friends, a great family, and an all around comfortable and content life... you got me. The only reason I could possibly have the thoughts I do about this subject and others can only be because I'm "angry at the world." Come on, man. Give me a break. You're above that.
Perhaps you need to look at yourself in the mirror. You have shown to be every bit as confident and unmovable in many of your opinions as I am in many of mine. For example, regarding how left leaning Hollywood is, you are every bit as convinced that they only slightly lean left as I am convinced that they lean WAY left. You state with 100% certainty that you are correct, that I am wrong, and that I have no idea what I am talking about. On that, your opinion is indisputable fact as far as you are concerned. That is no different than me and my opinion on socialism vs capitalism. Anybody who who is pro-socialism is wrong as hell and I will argue that for 100 pages if I have to. I suspect the reason we are somewhat contentious is that we are alike in that we will argue things that we are passionate about for 100 pages.

The reason it seems that I am this way on everything is because I don't post about things I'm luke warm about. Unlike Tanya, I don't have time or inclination to post on threads about my shoes, about what I had for breakfast, or other mundane crap. I post on something because I think I have something to say. This thread got my attention because I am a space aficionado. I lived it my entire childhood (a family friend died in the Challenger accident, for example). Early on I was 100% on board and excited about it. This last bit of news has made me less excited. At the moment, I will still see it, but my expectations are not as high as they were a month ago.

Except here's the thing... you constantly stereotype and reduce my opinions and positions to fit some kind of preconceived narrative that's easier for you to argue against. Case in point, I'm not "convinced" that Hollywood "only slightly leans left." I've literally never said that. There are of course many, many, many massively influential liberals in Hollywood who lean HARD left. But then there are plenty more execs and what not who only lean a little left. And then there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of lower-level, below-the-line guys who are probably an equal split of liberal and conservative. And yet, to complicate matters further, there are influential types who lean conservative as well, especially in the agency world. Same with actors/notable faces. The usual suspects of conservative actors that you see and hear from aren't the only ones. My ONLY points have ever been that...

A) Yes, the faces who mostly, by-and-large represent Hollywood are big-time liberals. And a decent chunk of them are the worst of the worst in terms of assh*les. But the massive body of individuals who actually make up "Hollywood" is MUCH more diverse than you think. I'm here. I live it. I see it everyday. It's not just a bunch wine sipping liberals trying push their socialist agenda. Not by a long shot.

B) Not everyone - even the most obnoxious liberals in this business - put their "agendas" in their work, or are even capable of doing so if they wanted to. Like I've said a dozen times before, doing so is WAY harder than you might think. I'm not saying that messages don't slip through, or sometimes aren't intended loud and clear by the more powerful of the bunch, but it's not the free-for-all circle jerk of wanting and easily succeeding in producing agenda-based content that so many here desperately want it to be and want to rail against.

My problem is that you NEVER listen to the nuance of what I'm saying. Instead, you CONSTANTLY try to fit me into some preconceived notion that makes it easier for you to tear down in your white-night pursuit of trying to vanquish all these horrible Hollywood liberals. And the fact that you choose an entertainment message board to do this, where, for the most part, we just want to talk movies and TV without all that sword and flag waiving, makes it all the more obnoxious. Especially when you're trying so hard to tear down these people and their projects without the faintest idea of how many good, hard-working people who would likely agree with you could be affected by boycotts, uproar, and the like. Granted, it's rare that any kind of message board boycott or bigger social media push ever works in any distinct way, but all this chest puffing and shouting down of celebrities you disagree with doesn't just affect those celebrities. All these proclamations of "I'm not going to see that because I disagree with so-and-so" is also a proclamation against the thousand other people who ALSO worked on that movie - again, many of whom are likely on your "side."
One Eyed Reveille
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I am going to start an Official ******* TCTTS vs aTmAg ******** thread and for each specific movie or issue you guys go over there and discuss. it will become the new to the East Texas board saying.
aTmAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
TCTTS said:

aTmAg said:

TCTTS said:

I wasn't talking about this, specific instance anymore. I was clearly talking about your demeanor/habits in general. That, and you could have fooled me with these "opinions" of yours, when they're clearly stated in such a way as to imply fact. It doesn't sound like it's your opinion that this movie would be better with your suggestions. Rather, your words make it sound like the movie HAS to be the way you're suggesting, or that it WILL, in fact, be a failure.

And yep, despite doing exactly what I want to be doing in life, being beyond excited with where things are heading in that regard, having a great group of friends, a great family, and an all around comfortable and content life... you got me. The only reason I could possibly have the thoughts I do about this subject and others can only be because I'm "angry at the world." Come on, man. Give me a break. You're above that.
Perhaps you need to look at yourself in the mirror. You have shown to be every bit as confident and unmovable in many of your opinions as I am in many of mine. For example, regarding how left leaning Hollywood is, you are every bit as convinced that they only slightly lean left as I am convinced that they lean WAY left. You state with 100% certainty that you are correct, that I am wrong, and that I have no idea what I am talking about. On that, your opinion is indisputable fact as far as you are concerned. That is no different than me and my opinion on socialism vs capitalism. Anybody who who is pro-socialism is wrong as hell and I will argue that for 100 pages if I have to. I suspect the reason we are somewhat contentious is that we are alike in that we will argue things that we are passionate about for 100 pages.

The reason it seems that I am this way on everything is because I don't post about things I'm luke warm about. Unlike Tanya, I don't have time or inclination to post on threads about my shoes, about what I had for breakfast, or other mundane crap. I post on something because I think I have something to say. This thread got my attention because I am a space aficionado. I lived it my entire childhood (a family friend died in the Challenger accident, for example). Early on I was 100% on board and excited about it. This last bit of news has made me less excited. At the moment, I will still see it, but my expectations are not as high as they were a month ago.

Except here's the thing. You constantly stereotype and reduce my opinions and positions to fit some kind of preconceived narrative that's easier for you to argue against. Case in point, I'm not "convinced" that *Hollywood* "only slightly leans left." I've literally never said that. There are of course many, many, many massively influential liberals in Hollywood who lean HARD left. But then there are plenty more execs and what not who only lean a little left. And then there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of lower-level, below-the-line guys who are probably an equal split of liberal and conservative. And yet, to complicate matters further, there are influential types who lean conservative as well, especially in the agency world. Same with actors/notable faces. The usual suspects of conservative actors that you see and hear from aren't the only ones. My ONLY points have ever been that...

A) Yes, the faces who mostly, by-and-large represent Hollywood are big-time liberals. And a decent chunk of them are the worst of the worst in terms of assh*les. But the massive body of individuals who actually make up "Hollywood" is MUCH more diverse than you think. I'm here. I live it. I see it everyday. It's not just a bunch wine sipping liberals trying push their socialist agenda. Not by a long shot.

B) Not everyone - even the most obnoxious liberals in this business - put their "agendas" in their work, or are even capable of doing so if they wanted to. Like I've said a dozen times before, doing so is WAY harder than you might think. I'm not saying that messages don't slip through, or sometimes aren't intended loud and clear by the more powerful of the bunch, but it's not the free-for-all circle jerk of wanting and easily succeeding in producing agenda-based content that so many here desperately want it to be and want to rail against.
My point was NOT to argue that again. I paraphrased your entire point of view on the topic into a single sentence, because the nuance was not important to what I was saying. It was to provide an example of how you are every bit as certain that you are right on something (nuance and all) as I am on the topics I am certain of. That is my point.

Quote:

My problem is that you NEVER listen to the nuance of what I'm saying. Instead, you CONSTANTLY try to fit me into some preconceived notion that makes it easier for you to tear down in your white-night pursuit of trying to vanquish all these horrible Hollywood liberals.
I'm not trying to argue this again either, but it's hard to take your claims of being conservative seriously when you so often espouse liberalism and defend liberals. You are certainly not conservative compared to me nor the average person on the PB. The fact that you call the entire PB wackos doesn't particularly help you on that front either. If you want to be thought of as conservative, then perhaps you should stop bashing conservatives and maybe even espouse conservative ideas on occasion?

Quote:

And the fact that you choose an entertainment message board to do this, where, for the most part, we just want to talk movies and TV without all that sword and flag waiving, makes it all the more obnoxious.
There are many people, like me, who ALSO want a heads up if a show has any obnoxious liberal propaganda. It's no different than those wanting to know if a movie has lots of violence or nudity. All the above are valid discussion topics about entertainment. Staff has rebuked you on this several times. You are simply going to have to live with it.

Quote:

Especially when you're trying so hard to tear down these people and their projects without the faintest idea of how many good, hard-working people who would likely agree with you could be affected by boycotts, uproar, and the like. Granted, it's rare that any kind of message board boycott or bigger social media push ever works in any distinct way, but all this chest puffing and shouting down of celebrities you disagree with doesn't just affect those celebrities. All these proclamations of "I'm not going to see that because I disagree with so-and-so" is also a proclamation against the thousand other people who ALSO worked on that movie - again, many of whom are likely on your "side."
None of those people have the right to my money. I am not going to spend my money on people and ideas that I abhor just so a small portion of that money could go to nameless people who may or may not agree with me. All I can go on is what is on screen and the actions and statements of the movie makers. If enough people were like me, then more Hollywood decision makers would demand their actors and directors to keep politics out of their movies. Then we could go see more movies again and those thousands of other people can reap the full benefit of their efforts.
TCTTS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Quote:

I am going to start an Official ******* TCTTS vs aTmAg ******** thread and for each specific movie or issue you guys go over there and discuss. it will become the new to the East Texas board saying.
I would literally rather take a kick to the balls after every movie I see. It would not only be more entertaining, but I'm sure plenty of others here would line up to do the kicking.
c-jags
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I know this is ridiculous, given where the thread has gone and despite the animosity, this is an incredibly civil, well reasoned and thought out argument y'all are having on both sides.

I applaud y'all.

PatAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
mwm said:

Several more thoughts:

1.If the director had included a scene depicting the plant of the flag, it might have caused me to actually want to see his film. Instead, his personal politics have driven me away from the box office.

2. Landing on the moon, planting a flag of victory, and bringing them home is an immense source of pride for me and for others like me. Even if my own, personal, involvement was minimal. You can never take that away from me. Sorry if my pride in our country doesn't fit your agenda.

3. The United States of America won the race to the moon against our biggest competitor, the USSR. While we won that immediate race, civilization was the long-term winner. There is not a man, woman or child alive today that has not received at least some indirect benefit from the discoveries made during the space race. It's too bad we, as country, do not have a common goal like that President Kennedy challenged us with. Our "leaders" have failed to lead by failing to challenge us to do more than we think is possible.

4. History is what it is. Don't try and re-write to be what you might want it to be. You don't like the history? Then help avoid the same mistakes we've made in the past.

Thanks for letting an old man reminisce and holler at some clouds. I'll go back to the baseball board now.
and I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free.
Cinco Ranch Aggie
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
This thread has been unexpectedly entertaining of late.

I have made my thoughts known on the flag-planting controversy. I'd rather they have presented that image - and I think Gosling is nothing short of a moron for his statements that seems to have lit this fuse. I was looking forward to this movie with a fervor approaching MCU/Star Wars levels prior to all of this; now it's just another movie that's coming out soon, and one that I still plan to see.

Hopefully we'll get back to discussing the actual movie and not some idiot actor's comments. I'll take the movie for what it is, with or without the flag-planting, and judge it accordingly.
Quad Dog
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
In an ironic twist of events the flag planting isn't in the movie because the sound stage couldn't make it look like it did on the Moon.
Urban Ag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I can't f'ing believe that either aTm Ag or TCCTS have the time to type all this sh**.


Apparently I should have pursued a career in Hollywood or engineering.

FancyKetchup14
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
They should re-write the entire scene on the moon, and perform the flag planting a la Baker Mayfield, to quel this outrage.

Quad Dog
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Dekker_Lentz
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I haven't followed the this thread super closely, but having read around the controversy some, I think there really is an interesting discussion about what this movie is about.

Is it about America putting a man on the moon? Or is it about the men who went to the moon and what it was like to be in their shoes.

If it is about the former, then I would agree the flag planting needs to be in the movie, because that is the climax of the movie's emotional message.

If it is the latter, then I can see the flag planting not being essential movie. Personally, I would prefer it to be in the movie, but I can see the director's point about planting the flag not being as important to movie, then exploring the feelings one might have being alone for 10 minutes on the moon. Further, from a character's point of view planting the flag may not have been the emotionally charged momement. It could be the moments after the flag planting when the characters looking at old glory raised as they contemplate the entirety of the situation.

Kinda of like the Johnny Cash Song, Ragged Old Flag. The song isn't about raising the flag, the song is about what the flag represents when it's waving in the breeze. What the characters in the song see when they look at the Flag.

Lastly, I think what motivates an actor to act, may be irrelevant to what we actually see on the screen. If Gosling needed to focus on the meaning of one giant leap for man kind to get into character rather than Neil Armstrong the Patriot, then so be it.

There are probably two different movies that could be made from this story. I don't necessarily think one is better than the other.
Ag Since 83
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Now seems a good time to remind everyone Buzz says the flag got blown over by the ascent stage burn anyway, because we couldn't even think to put it far enough away from the ship.

'Murica!
TCTTS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Urban Ag said:

I can't f'ing believe that either aTm Ag or TCCTS have the time to type all this sh**.


Apparently I should have pursued a career in Hollywood or engineering.



It looks like a lot more than it really is. I had five posts yesterday in this thread of any significant length. Took me maybe 20 minutes total to type them out, if that? That, and I do most of my current "day job" (screenwriting) from afternoon to way late at night. I'm mapping things out more during the day, which is mostly a lot of thinking/planning, and the breaks on TexAgs help. Then, when I'm actually writing, it's more concentrated, with the occasional TexAgs check-in when I'm stuck on something.
Urban Ag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Just joking dude.
agmag90
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Quad Dog said:


I heard Chazelle didn't even include the alien punch either. Un-American!!!
TCTTS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
New TV spot has a quick shot of Armstrong's son raising an American flag. That's some expert-grade trolling...

TCTTS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Another new spot has a quick, cool shot of the famous footprint...

TCTTS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Final trailer, and I'd say this is about as patriotic as it can possibly get. Absolute chills...

Duncan Idaho
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Just more liberal trash.

Including the line of that serialy adulterous liberal's speach about make "sea" of space peaceful was a clear attack on Trump's patriotic and morally right space force.

Hogties
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
That movie is going to be a fantastic experience in IMAX. The imax preview is still the best movie I've seen this year.
Urban Ag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
You need a new schtick. Or at least a less frequent posting of said schtick. Just sayin bruh


claym711
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I will go see this dressed in Reeboks, cutoff tuxedo shirt, American flag draped over my shoulders.
Bunk Moreland
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I think it'd be pretty cool to do a "Last Man" follow up...obviously not as hyped but to discuss Gene Cernan's life as an astronaut and then ultimately being the last man to walk on the moon. Cernan might have been my favorite astronaut from that entire era. Really cool dude.

I know he had a documentary made about him a few years ago already though, so that probably would suffice.
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.