Officially returns to Netflix this August, so says the series' producer, Charlize Theron (below).

David Fincher is returning to direct the first and last episodes of the eight-episode second season, while one of my other favorite directors, Andrew Dominik (The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford) is directing episodes two, three, and four. I don't think I could ask for a better combination to take on the follow up season to one of my favorite shows of 2017.

Season two "will introduce Charles Manson, David 'Son of Sam' Berkowitz and the Atlanta child killings of the early 1980s."

Hopefully the first trailer drops relatively soon, likely in the next month or so.

Between this and season two of HBO's Succession returning the same month (along with football), August is shaping up to be another great month for TV...

I'm guessing BTK is still going to be a part of the show considering how many teasers they showed throughout season 1?

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/mindhunter-season-2-premiere-august-david-fincher-details-1202157406/

Hell Yes!

So good...

Can't wait!

Hope they tone down Holden eventually or it's gonna be really hard to watch beyond this next season.

hph6203 said:

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Hope they tone down Holden eventually or it's gonna be really hard to watch beyond this next season.

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And his lady friend issues

At least I remember that being really ****ing annoying towards the end of last season

I think the cat that plays Holden is my main issue. Going to give s2 a fair shake, as the plot line and subject matter are whats keeping me in.

Great show! The interviews, trying to understand crazy, it's interesting.

Don't care much for the love/relationship of the story; not why I'm watching.

Hope season 2 is as good as it looks!

Thru the first 5 episodes. I listened to the Atlanta Monster podcast last year so I'm enjoying that storyline this season.

Binged it all Friday night and Saturday afternoon

It's good. But after waiting more than a year and a half for this, I expected a lot more. Like I said, it's good but disappointing. I do think they do a good job with their casting though. The dude playing Manson was balls on.

I'm not sure how slowly they plan on dragging this on though. So we're now in '81. If memory serves BTK didn't kill again until '85/'86 and then quit and wasn't caught until '04/'05....and even then it was because he was a dumbass and didn't understand how computers/disks worked, not because of the work of the BSU.

Thought season 2 was better than season 1. It had a much more eerie and dark feeling that is appropriate for a series like this.

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I don't understand the amount of time spent developing the lesbian storyline. Between the bowling alley and the interview where she admits to a female lover. I hope they don't go all social justice nonsense.

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Everything they are developing is based on these people's real life's and what happened around the starting of this part of the fbi

Aggie_3 said:

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Troutslime said:

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I don't understand the amount of time spent developing the lesbian storyline. Between the bowling alley and the interview where she admits to a female lover. I hope they don't go all social justice nonsense.

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Everything they are developing is based on these people's real life's and what happened around the starting of this part of the fbi

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Eh, not so fast.....

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Wendy Carr is based on Boston College's Dr. Ann Wolbert Burgess, who consulted with the FBI, and worked with both Douglas and Ressler. But, er, the show took some liberties with her character. "It's not quite exactly the way it happened, which is fun," the real Dr. Burgess said of her portrayal in the show. "I always have been an academic, but they take her down to [the FBI headquarters at] Quantico. I never moved down there like she did. I have children, and they've been a little bit nervous about the fact that they have me as a lesbian. That's been interesting. That's their right to portray it however they want."

P.S. Because you're wondering, Holden's girlfriend Debbie is totally made up!

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Everything with Tench's kid is fiction as well. The character this is based off of had 3 kids and none of them were involved or witnessed a murder.

We enjoyed S2, binged Sat/Sun.

Definitely more creepy and the whole bit on the Candyman was unnerving because I had read a lot on that when we moved back to Houston.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-lost-boys/amp/

Yeah, not only is it not true, it takes away from the more compelling parts of the story. I know they feel the need to flesh out these characters, but when they're doing the personal life stuff it either feels pointless at best, or heavy handed at worst. (YOU GET IT GUYS, WITH TENCH'S KID, HE'S STRUGGLING WITH NATURE VS NURTURE, WHICH IS THE SAME THING THE BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES UNIT IS TALKING ABOUT).

Also, one thing that has been cracking up my wife and I is that Tench's house has it's own weird creepy Stranger-Things-esque music.

Watched all of Season 2 yesterday. I really enjoyed it, not as much as Season 1. I don't know if anything will top Ed Kemper in Season 1, that was just so unexpectedly brilliant.

One thing I love about this show is how good the character and portrayal of Bill Tench is. He does a great job in Season 1 of subverting the expectation of being a meathead tough guy cop with being the more thoughtful and rational method based detective. In Season 2 I didn't care about his kid that much, but I thought he played those scenes schmoozing with the FBI higher ups so well. He is a good detective, but can turn the charm on and off whenever he wants. The actor has great range, and every time that character gets put into a situation where I think he's going to turn to some dumb cliche, he really over delivers.

I hope this gets one more season with a solid conclusion to these characters. I don't think it needs to go much further than that, but we'll see. Great show.

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Yeah, not only is it not true, it takes away from the more compelling parts of the story. I know they feel the need to flesh out these characters, but when they're doing the personal life stuff it either feels pointless at best, or heavy handed at worst. (YOU GET IT GUYS, WITH TENCH'S KID, HE'S STRUGGLING WITH NATURE VS NURTURE, WHICH IS THE SAME THING THE BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES UNIT IS TALKING ABOUT).

Also, one thing that has been cracking up my wife and I is that Tench's house has it's own weird creepy Stranger-Things-esque music.

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It almost feels like they don't understand what is compelling about this tv show. We don't need to "feel" a connection to the main characters by learning about their personal lives. The interesting part is their increased understanding and knowledge of serial killers, the interviews they do and the application to ongoing cases.

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I don't think it's a "homo-quota" as much as they wanted to intertwine each characters personal story with the plot. Like each character has their own version.

Tench's kid is the 'nature vs nurture' aspect of the people they're studying, Carr's is how they feel isolated in a society that won't let them be who they really are, Holden basically has no personal life at this point, etc, etc.

Like I see what they were going for, but I just don't care about it.

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I see where you are saying, but I think that perhaps you are overthinking this a little. I can see your point with Tench's kid. He was involved in a murder and that does fit your idea. But how would the Carr story-line fit into that? I assume they aren't going to have her consider killing people because she feels isolated. I personally think that they are just bad at that part of the story telling. It's like they got really knowledgeable about the police side of things and felt that they needed to balance it out with some personal stories as an afterthought. Last season they went into Holden's personal life more, and that was just as boring as Carr's this season. And that didn't come off as any higher purpose that tied it to his work.

Edit: I guess they did have her mention it in that interview. But to me that was contrived as a way to somehow work her lesbianism into her work. Clearly that did not happen in real life. I prefer them stick to the real cases, like Kemper. The fact that he was real made those interviews captivating. If they were fake, then it would be yet another Silence of the Lambs knock off, IMO.

I don't think I'm overthinking it at all, I think the writing of this show is that heavy-handed when it comes to their personal drama. Carr's has a few levels. What she's dealing with personally, she's also dealing with professionally. The "I WANT YOU TO TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT" thing was a clear tie-in to the scene where she basically gets talked down by Gunn and doesn't really stand up for what she wants to do.

But yeah, your edit nailed it. It's not about her lesbianism really, it's more about how she has to pretend to be another person professionally. She's a "character" when she's at work. A lot of what they're talking about with the serial killers is 'freedom' and their desire to express their true selves in a society that won't let them or whatever.

I'm assuming we're going to see it with Gregg next. He's either gay or into some weird stuff because they made him SUPER WEIRD during his whole conversation with that one prisoner. Something about that guy's personal life is going to matter fairly soon I'd bet.

It would all be kind of interesting if it were done right or if that were what the show is about (like in True Detective.) But the cool part of this show is the work, and the personal stuff mostly sucks.

bobinator said:

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I don't think I'm overthinking it at all, I think the writing of this show is that heavy-handed when it comes to their personal drama. Carr's has a few levels. What she's dealing with personally, she's also dealing with professionally. The "I WANT YOU TO TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT" thing was a clear tie-in to the scene where she basically gets talked down by Gunn and doesn't really stand up for what she wants to do.

But yeah, your edit nailed it. It's not about her lesbianism really, it's more about how she has to pretend to be another person professionally. She's a "character" when she's at work. A lot of what they're talking about with the serial killers is 'freedom' and their desire to express their true selves in a society that won't let them or whatever.

I'm assuming we're going to see it with Gregg next. He's either gay or into some weird stuff because they made him SUPER WEIRD during his whole conversation with that one prisoner. Something about that guy's personal life is going to matter fairly soon I'd bet.

It would all be kind of interesting if it were done right or if that were what the show is about (like in True Detective.) But the cool part of this show is the work, and the personal stuff mostly sucks.

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I also think it's one of their "hit us over the head with the obvious ploys". The latent/suppressed/obvious homosexuality in some of the guys they've questioned.

Just like the obvious tie in with Tench's kid, there's Carr's lesbianism..."ZOMG MAYBE THERE'S SOME SERIAL KILLER IN ALL OF US!!!1!!!

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is going to matter fairly soon

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I wish. Hope they don't wait another two years.

I know you mean in the story, but the long wait did affect their personal stories. I remembered all the serial killer stuff from Season 1, but I had completely forgotten how much I hated Holden's girlfriend until she showed up in the recap. Honestly if Gregg wasn't even in Season 3 I probably would have to be reminded he was a character.

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bobinator said:

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is going to matter fairly soon

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I wish. Hope they don't wait another two years.

I know you mean in the story, but the long wait did affect their personal stories. I remembered all the serial killer stuff from Season 1, but I had completely forgotten how much I hated Holden's girlfriend until she showed up in the recap. Honestly if Gregg wasn't even in Season 3 I probably would have to be reminded he was a character.

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Gregg was there just to show how much of a beetch he is. The new director might as well have just pulled down his pants and spanked his little bottom in front of everyone else.

Seriously, he was a waste of time. Plus I was kinda hoping the Candy Man interview/episode would be better since it is a local story. But he ruined the interview and the actor playing the kid was pretty meh.That's one thing that kinda dipped this season is the serial killer interviews seemed more cartoonish. Manson was okay, but the other ones were pretty caricature -ish. Ed Kemper was so good last season. I wish they had more of our big sweet boi Ed this season. He was great.

I thought the same re: the plot/work side vs the home scenes in S1.

Is it safe for me to just blow through those if I really dont' care or do I need to labor through them for the sake of the show?

Bunk Moreland said:

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I thought the same re: the plot/work side vs the home scenes in S1.

Is it safe for me to just blow through those if I really dont' care or do I need to labor through them for the sake of the show?

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I skipped all lesbian scenes after it became clear it wasn't important. I started wanting to skip all the stuff with Tench's kid and wife about halfway through. There is some good acting in it, but it felt like a waste.