bobinator said:
Yeah, not only is it not true, it takes away from the more compelling parts of the story. I know they feel the need to flesh out these characters, but when they're doing the personal life stuff it either feels pointless at best, or heavy handed at worst. (YOU GET IT GUYS, WITH TENCH'S KID, HE'S STRUGGLING WITH NATURE VS NURTURE, WHICH IS THE SAME THING THE BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES UNIT IS TALKING ABOUT).
Also, one thing that has been cracking up my wife and I is that Tench's house has it's own weird creepy Stranger-Things-esque music.
It did. Hence bobinator's "nature vs. nurture" comment.Troutslime said:bobinator said:
Yeah, not only is it not true, it takes away from the more compelling parts of the story. I know they feel the need to flesh out these characters, but when they're doing the personal life stuff it either feels pointless at best, or heavy handed at worst. (YOU GET IT GUYS, WITH TENCH'S KID, HE'S STRUGGLING WITH NATURE VS NURTURE, WHICH IS THE SAME THING THE BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES UNIT IS TALKING ABOUT).
Also, one thing that has been cracking up my wife and I is that Tench's house has it's own weird creepy Stranger-Things-esque music.
I thought Tenchs kid opened up a genetic component since he is adopted.
I guess for me, and possibly others, is none of it felt subtle at all.TCTTS said:
Then I guess I'm wondering what it is some of you wanted instead? Because the case work, to me at least, didn't at all feel short changed. I got exactly what I wanted from that side of things. I don't understand what else "could be" in that regard? What ground work or office interplay or investigative plot was lacking? I'd actually argue that any more of that stuff would have been redundant. That, and I actually liked 95% of the personal/at home stuff we got. Wendy's relationship was compelling to me, especially in the way she had to hide it, and then when she finally came out and admitted it, her colleagues thought it was nothing more than a tactic. On top of that, she had to listen to them then reduce homosexuality to a deviance, essentially (and unknowingly) comparing her to a murder. That was great stuff. And then, similarly, all the subtle nods and jabs and allusions Bill had to endure in the field, knowing he might be raising a serial killer of his own, would have been nothing without the setup of his home life on his end. I was just amazed at how well they tied all that together and how it all interweaved. Nothing about this season felt wasted to me.
This was definitely the issue with me. It was like it was written so that someone with an 80 IQ could understand the concept they were trying to explore.Quote:
I guess for me, and possibly others, is none of it felt subtle at all
Yet in the finale it was shown as some sort of great victory by them and the FBI in general. There are lots of cop shows out there. The thing that makes this one special is the historical and psychological aspects. The show would be better if they focused on the compelling parts of that. Blow off the lesbian stories at home. Don't make up plotlines where their kid is a killer. There is plenty of interesting stories out there that these guys were able to solve (or not solve). I think they should focus on that. It's like how First Man went off the rails on Armstrong's personal life. The show would have been 100x better if they focused on the aspect of Armstrong's life that made him better than the rest of us rather than the aspects that make him just like the rest of us.bobinator said:
I think that was like the whole point, it showed both the potential and the limitation of what they're currently doing.
The 'great victory' was simply the fact that it was black guy. That was all the proof the FBI needed to justify the unit.aTmAg said:Yet in the finale it was shown as some sort of great victory by them and the FBI in general. There are lots of cop shows out there. The thing that makes this one special is the historical and psychological aspects. The show would be better if they focused on the compelling parts of that. Blow off the lesbian stories at home. Don't make up plotlines where their kid is a killer. There is plenty of interesting stories out there that these guys were able to solve (or not solve). I think they should focus on that. It's like how First Man went off the rails on Armstrong's personal life. The show would have been 100x better if they focused on the aspect of Armstrong's life that made him better than the rest of us rather than the aspects that make him just like the rest of us.bobinator said:
I think that was like the whole point, it showed both the potential and the limitation of what they're currently doing.
I forgot the cliff hanger. What was that?Ranger #007 said:
I enjoyed this season. Hated ending with such a big cliff hanger that will never be answered but I suppose that was the point.
I also didn't know that this is the second time playing Manson for the actor they cast. He was just spot on.
I vaguely remember that. Like that perhaps they didn't catch the ONLY killer or something?Ranger #007 said:
It was short and cliff hanger might not be the right word for it. When Jim was talking about the photos of black children being destroyed and that someone in the department definitely knew more than they were letting on. Given the reality it's based on we know that will never be returned to.
