The dad looked to me as a likely suspect and they never interviewed him. I could see him being the likely guy.

Wayne seems to me like he was covering. Especially specifically referring to himself in 3rd person.

I think Williams killed many of them. Did he do every single one? Probably not. But it's not like the Atlanta child murder rate was 0 before Wayne Williams started killing either. There are about a half dozen of the killings they did not attribute to him

I don't disagree. Just saying there are some that don't believe it for whatever reason there is. They did DNA on a few different things and, while from my understanding it wasn't the 1 in a million kind of result, they had separate samples from different sources that put the chances the individual samples came from the source tied to Williams at north of 95%. Together that seems pretty conclusive that he isn't innocent by any means.

I listened to the Atlanta Monster podcast a year or two back, but had forgotten many of the details. So it was interesting watching Mindhunter to know what was about to happen in the back of my mind(like catch him on the bridge on their last night of surveillance and him being a talent scout, etc). From what I recall, there was a little evidence that could tie the kid murders to him, but very little that would be beyond a reasonable doubt. He maintains he is innocent of all of it. But the actor portrayed exactly what I was expecting him to be based on the description from the podcast.

One thing I do recall, that made me ggl a bit, and it was just mentioned in Mindhunter, was that he had his own radio station that got shut down. It didn't really mean much in the case or the shows, but if I recall correctly, they talked about it that he basically had a ham radio that he transmitted on from his house, but had to take down his antennae. So it was just a resume booster to say he ran his own radio station that got shut down.

Edit: Nevermind. TexAgs' insane censorship won't even allow me to post the link.

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I listened to the Atlanta Monster podcast a year or two back, but had forgotten many of the details. So it was interesting watching Mindhunter to know what was about to happen in the back of my mind(like catch him on the bridge on their last night of surveillance and him being a talent scout, etc). From what I recall, there was a little evidence that could tie the kid murders to him, but very little that would be beyond a reasonable doubt. He maintains he is innocent of all of it. But the actor portrayed exactly what I was expecting him to be based on the description from the podcast.

One thing I do recall, that made me ggl a bit, and it was just mentioned in Mindhunter, was that he had his own radio station that got shut down. It didn't really mean much in the case or the shows, but if I recall correctly, they talked about it that he basically had a ham radio that he transmitted on from his house, but had to take down his antennae. So it was just a resume booster to say he ran his own radio station that got shut down.

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The actor they chose looked pretty damn close to the real guy:

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I think that was like the whole point, it showed both the potential and the limitation of what they're currently doing.

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Yet in the finale it was shown as some sort of great victory by them and the FBI in general. There are lots of cop shows out there. The thing that makes this one special is the historical and psychological aspects. The show would be better if they focused on the compelling parts of that. Blow off the lesbian stories at home. Don't make up plotlines where their kid is a killer. There is plenty of interesting stories out there that these guys were able to solve (or not solve). I think they should focus on that. It's like how First Man went off the rails on Armstrong's personal life. The show would have been 100x better if they focused on the aspect of Armstrong's life that made him better than the rest of us rather than the aspects that make him just like the rest of us.

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In the finale it showed the FBI celebrating, but Holden sure didnt seem happy about it.

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I think that was like the whole point, it showed both the potential and the limitation of what they're currently doing.

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Yet in the finale it was shown as some sort of great victory by them and the FBI in general. There are lots of cop shows out there. The thing that makes this one special is the historical and psychological aspects. The show would be better if they focused on the compelling parts of that. Blow off the lesbian stories at home. Don't make up plotlines where their kid is a killer. There is plenty of interesting stories out there that these guys were able to solve (or not solve). I think they should focus on that. It's like how First Man went off the rails on Armstrong's personal life. The show would have been 100x better if they focused on the aspect of Armstrong's life that made him better than the rest of us rather than the aspects that make him just like the rest of us.

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In the finale it showed the FBI celebrating, but Holden sure didnt seem happy about it.

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Oddly enough he was the one guy who deserved to be a little happy. He was the one who called it and stuck to his guns and was proven right in the end.

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bobinator said:

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I think that was like the whole point, it showed both the potential and the limitation of what they're currently doing.

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Yet in the finale it was shown as some sort of great victory by them and the FBI in general. There are lots of cop shows out there. The thing that makes this one special is the historical and psychological aspects. The show would be better if they focused on the compelling parts of that. Blow off the lesbian stories at home. Don't make up plotlines where their kid is a killer. There is plenty of interesting stories out there that these guys were able to solve (or not solve). I think they should focus on that. It's like how First Man went off the rails on Armstrong's personal life. The show would have been 100x better if they focused on the aspect of Armstrong's life that made him better than the rest of us rather than the aspects that make him just like the rest of us.

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In the finale it showed the FBI celebrating, but Holden sure didnt seem happy about it.

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Oddly enough he was the one guy who deserved to be a little happy. He was the one who called it and stuck to his guns and was proven right in the end.

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He's also the only one who got to personally know and make promises to the mothers of the kids, only to realize he wasn't going to be able to live up to them.

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aTmAg said:

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aTmAg said:

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bobinator said:

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I think that was like the whole point, it showed both the potential and the limitation of what they're currently doing.

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Yet in the finale it was shown as some sort of great victory by them and the FBI in general. There are lots of cop shows out there. The thing that makes this one special is the historical and psychological aspects. The show would be better if they focused on the compelling parts of that. Blow off the lesbian stories at home. Don't make up plotlines where their kid is a killer. There is plenty of interesting stories out there that these guys were able to solve (or not solve). I think they should focus on that. It's like how First Man went off the rails on Armstrong's personal life. The show would have been 100x better if they focused on the aspect of Armstrong's life that made him better than the rest of us rather than the aspects that make him just like the rest of us.

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In the finale it showed the FBI celebrating, but Holden sure didnt seem happy about it.

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Oddly enough he was the one guy who deserved to be a little happy. He was the one who called it and stuck to his guns and was proven right in the end.

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He's also the only one who got to personally know and make promises to the mothers of the kids, only to realize he wasn't going to be able to live up to them.

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I think they were off base in their disappointment (in who they captured.. not in the fact that their sons were killed). They seemed in denial that a black man could have been the culprit. Nothing, other than framing some KKK guy, would have satisfied them.

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I mean...that MAY have been a part of it but I didn't get that at all. The fact was that they were only able to pin Williams to a small handful of the murders. There were others out there that unsolved, yet more that were still missing, and a promise from Holden that he wasn't leaving until he'd helped them all. To me it was much more of a moment where Holden felt like **** because he knew he was breaking his promise and the mothers just got pushed right back into their 'blacks are meaningless down here' hole.

Yelnick McWawa said:

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aTmAg said:

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Yelnick McWawa said:

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aTmAg said:

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PatAg said:

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aTmAg said:

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bobinator said:

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I think that was like the whole point, it showed both the potential and the limitation of what they're currently doing.

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Yet in the finale it was shown as some sort of great victory by them and the FBI in general. There are lots of cop shows out there. The thing that makes this one special is the historical and psychological aspects. The show would be better if they focused on the compelling parts of that. Blow off the lesbian stories at home. Don't make up plotlines where their kid is a killer. There is plenty of interesting stories out there that these guys were able to solve (or not solve). I think they should focus on that. It's like how First Man went off the rails on Armstrong's personal life. The show would have been 100x better if they focused on the aspect of Armstrong's life that made him better than the rest of us rather than the aspects that make him just like the rest of us.

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In the finale it showed the FBI celebrating, but Holden sure didnt seem happy about it.

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Oddly enough he was the one guy who deserved to be a little happy. He was the one who called it and stuck to his guns and was proven right in the end.

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He's also the only one who got to personally know and make promises to the mothers of the kids, only to realize he wasn't going to be able to live up to them.

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I think they were off base in their disappointment (in who they captured.. not in the fact that their sons were killed). They seemed in denial that a black man could have been the culprit. Nothing, other than framing some KKK guy, would have satisfied them.

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I mean...that MAY have been a part of it but I didn't get that at all. The fact was that they were only able to pin Williams to a small handful of the murders. There were others out there that unsolved, yet more that were still missing, and a promise from Holden that he wasn't leaving until he'd helped them all. To me it was much more of a moment where Holden felt like **** because he knew he was breaking his promise and the mothers just got pushed right back into their 'blacks are meaningless down here' hole.

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Though they didn't go into it on the show, my understanding that it is not unusual for them to charge for only a few murders as insurance against an idiotic OJ jury. If they use all the victims, and the guy gets off, then they have nothing left to do but let him go. If they save victims in reserve, they can try him again.

It's one thing to think that that the real murderer is on the loose. It's another to want their kid's name listed as a victim in the trial so they feel better. I also understand that in real life, the murders stopped after his capture. So I'd hope that they would realize that their disappointment was misguided after a while, but not during the time frame of the final season finale.

aTmAg said:

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Yelnick McWawa said:

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aTmAg said:

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Yelnick McWawa said:

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aTmAg said:

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PatAg said:

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aTmAg said:

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bobinator said:

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I think that was like the whole point, it showed both the potential and the limitation of what they're currently doing.

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Yet in the finale it was shown as some sort of great victory by them and the FBI in general. There are lots of cop shows out there. The thing that makes this one special is the historical and psychological aspects. The show would be better if they focused on the compelling parts of that. Blow off the lesbian stories at home. Don't make up plotlines where their kid is a killer. There is plenty of interesting stories out there that these guys were able to solve (or not solve). I think they should focus on that. It's like how First Man went off the rails on Armstrong's personal life. The show would have been 100x better if they focused on the aspect of Armstrong's life that made him better than the rest of us rather than the aspects that make him just like the rest of us.

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In the finale it showed the FBI celebrating, but Holden sure didnt seem happy about it.

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Oddly enough he was the one guy who deserved to be a little happy. He was the one who called it and stuck to his guns and was proven right in the end.

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He's also the only one who got to personally know and make promises to the mothers of the kids, only to realize he wasn't going to be able to live up to them.

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I think they were off base in their disappointment (in who they captured.. not in the fact that their sons were killed). They seemed in denial that a black man could have been the culprit. Nothing, other than framing some KKK guy, would have satisfied them.

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I mean...that MAY have been a part of it but I didn't get that at all. The fact was that they were only able to pin Williams to a small handful of the murders. There were others out there that unsolved, yet more that were still missing, and a promise from Holden that he wasn't leaving until he'd helped them all. To me it was much more of a moment where Holden felt like **** because he knew he was breaking his promise and the mothers just got pushed right back into their 'blacks are meaningless down here' hole.

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Though they didn't go into it on the show, my understanding that it is not unusual for them to charge for only a few murders as insurance against an idiotic OJ jury. If they use all the victims, and the guy gets off, then they have nothing left to do but let him go. If they save victims in reserve, they can try him again.

It's one thing to think that that the real murderer is on the loose. It's another to want their kid's name listed as a victim in the trial so they feel better. I also understand that in real life, the murders stopped after his capture. So I'd hope that they would realize that their disappointment was misguided after a while, but not during the time frame of the final season finale.

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Ah. Good insight. Still, I can't imagine being in the footsteps of those families and not having concrete proof of what happened and who made it happen to your dead child.

Yelnick McWawa said:

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aTmAg said:

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Yelnick McWawa said:

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aTmAg said:

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Yelnick McWawa said:

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aTmAg said:

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PatAg said:

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aTmAg said:

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bobinator said:

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I think that was like the whole point, it showed both the potential and the limitation of what they're currently doing.

---

Yet in the finale it was shown as some sort of great victory by them and the FBI in general. There are lots of cop shows out there. The thing that makes this one special is the historical and psychological aspects. The show would be better if they focused on the compelling parts of that. Blow off the lesbian stories at home. Don't make up plotlines where their kid is a killer. There is plenty of interesting stories out there that these guys were able to solve (or not solve). I think they should focus on that. It's like how First Man went off the rails on Armstrong's personal life. The show would have been 100x better if they focused on the aspect of Armstrong's life that made him better than the rest of us rather than the aspects that make him just like the rest of us.

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In the finale it showed the FBI celebrating, but Holden sure didnt seem happy about it.

---

Oddly enough he was the one guy who deserved to be a little happy. He was the one who called it and stuck to his guns and was proven right in the end.

---

He's also the only one who got to personally know and make promises to the mothers of the kids, only to realize he wasn't going to be able to live up to them.

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I think they were off base in their disappointment (in who they captured.. not in the fact that their sons were killed). They seemed in denial that a black man could have been the culprit. Nothing, other than framing some KKK guy, would have satisfied them.

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I mean...that MAY have been a part of it but I didn't get that at all. The fact was that they were only able to pin Williams to a small handful of the murders. There were others out there that unsolved, yet more that were still missing, and a promise from Holden that he wasn't leaving until he'd helped them all. To me it was much more of a moment where Holden felt like **** because he knew he was breaking his promise and the mothers just got pushed right back into their 'blacks are meaningless down here' hole.

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Though they didn't go into it on the show, my understanding that it is not unusual for them to charge for only a few murders as insurance against an idiotic OJ jury. If they use all the victims, and the guy gets off, then they have nothing left to do but let him go. If they save victims in reserve, they can try him again.

It's one thing to think that that the real murderer is on the loose. It's another to want their kid's name listed as a victim in the trial so they feel better. I also understand that in real life, the murders stopped after his capture. So I'd hope that they would realize that their disappointment was misguided after a while, but not during the time frame of the final season finale.

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Ah. Good insight. Still, I can't imagine being in the footsteps of those families and not having concrete proof of what happened and who made it happen to your dead child.

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Agreed. And it is clear (from the show at least) that the cops didn't give a rats ass about them. So I can see them being suspicious about the whole thing.

Finally finished. Didn't have near as many issues with it as others on the board. I really didn't have to ff through any Tensch family scenes. A few of the lesbian relationship ones I did especially when the scene clearly was going to lack any real depth or substance.

Overall solid b+. I will say I did not binge at all. Maybe that helped my enjoyment. I caught an episode here and there but never more than 1 at a time in a given day. Probably would have been much more frustrated had I tried to binge multiple episodes at a time.

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Finally finished. Didn't have near as many issues with it as others on the board. I really didn't have to ff through any Tensch family scenes. A few of the lesbian relationship ones I did especially when the scene clearly was going to lack any real depth or substance.

Overall solid b+. I will say I did not binge at all. Maybe that helped my enjoyment. I caught an episode here and there but never more than 1 at a time in a given day. Probably would have been much more frustrated had I tried to binge multiple episodes at a time.

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That's the same reason we did.

Son of Sam actor was a dead ringer

So the guy at the beginning of every episode and then at the end of season 2 was a serial killer in Kansas right? My wife looked it up. But I'm still very confused as to what his purpose is in the show? I missed the beginning of the very first episode, but I thought they were going to be leading to the FBI trying to catch this guy or something.. or that he would end up being the future version of Tench's son (though I quickly realized the timelines were not even close to that being a possibility). But I guess I just don't understand why this guy was in the show. What did I miss?

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They absolutely nail these serial killers. The Manson interview/actor was fantastic... Must've been all that practice from Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

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I think you have the order of that backwards

https://www.thewrap.com/fight-club-20th-anniversary-holt-mccallany-on-standing-behind-brad-pitt-in-iconic-photo/

Finished last night and really thought it was great. Liked it more than season 1. I didn't find Holden as annoying this time.

The manhunt was great and all the interviews were great. I didn't mind the personal stuff. I felt like it was a little too much of a coincidence to have one of the FBIs foremost murder agents' son just happen to be involved in a murder. The lesbian plot line was better because it was easily believable.

I just hope it's not another long stretch before the next season. One of my favorite shows for sure. I was burning through the episodes. Stayed up until midnight last night because I couldn't put it down.

Well *****

Wow... that ****ing sucks

I don't know why the headlines for this story have been so misleading. Netflix is literally saying it's NOT cancelled. Fincher is currently smack dab in the middle of shooting his movie, and simply won't be available again until the end of the year. Because he's so busy, he and Netflix decided to let the cast out of their current contracts so they can go book other gigs. Certain actors and writers in TV have crazy binding contracts for "first position," "second position" series, etc, where they literally can't book work if they're under contract on another show, even if their current show is delayed. So they're allowing these guys to go work, and then when Fincher is done with his movie, it sounds like they'll revisit the situation. Granted, at THAT point they might decide it's truly over, as it sounds like Fincher may have also soured somewhat on the project after production headaches on season two. But as of now, Netflix is saying the door is still open, it's just going to be a while before any final decisions are made. All that said, if it *is* over, that only means we'll be getting more Fincher movies in exchange, as the article suggests, which, in the end, is a pretty great trade off.

Ok well that sucks less

Damn it, this sounds like it would have been incredible...

Exclusive: Director Andrew Dominik reveals where #Mindhunter Season 3 would have been set if the Netflix series had returned for more episodes. https://t.co/4A8IlX93Ph

— Collider (@Collider) April 20, 2022

I'm still holding out hope that one day all in charge will finally pull their heads out of their asses and make season three.

That was an epic show.

Now that sucks more!