I'm still not buying that but that's fine. Did anyone associated with the film actually come out and say there was an underlying attack on liberal America? If so, I will gladly eat my words.Bruce Almighty said:
This reminds me of Get Out with a bunch of conservatives screaming racism while the point of the movie and it's attack on liberal America went right over their heads.
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Troutslime said:TCTTS said:
My point is, you're stereotyping. Not "everything" is racist to *all* of the "the left." That's a broad, literally *unfair* generalization. I know and am around plenty of liberals and none of them think like that all.
Except when they vote.
And if you disagree with them, or really have any opinion outside of the echo chamber. I live in SF, and this is EXACTLY how it is with people here. Pleasant enough most of the time, but the minute you bring up a different perspective the labels come out. No discussion, no conversation. Just instant judgement.
I've learned to keep my mouth shut.
You're not wrong. But you realize you're ALSO describing forum 16 to a tee, right? It cuts both ways.
TCTTS said:
You're not wrong. But you realize you're ALSO describing forum 16 to a tee, right? It cuts both ways.
Cool point. A bunch of anonymous people who love to egg each other on with a circle jerk on an online message board vs hundreds of thousands (or millions) who openly and outwardly hate (and many times to the point of violence and attempts at destruction of their livelihood) those who disagree with them and label them all sorts of vile and nasty things. Yep, same thing.
WoMD said:TCTTS said:
You're not wrong. But you realize you're ALSO describing forum 16 to a tee, right? It cuts both ways.
Cool point. A bunch of anonymous people who love to egg each other on with a circle jerk on an online message board vs hundreds of thousands (or millions) who openly hate those who disagree with them and label them all sorts of vile and nasty things. Yep, same thing.
Ha, seriously? Conservatives do none of those things openly? Are you kidding me?
I'm not trying to play one side or the other here. I'm saying BOTH sides are guilty - in all the same ways - of everything you're saying. If you can't see that, you've got your head in the sand.
I think we can agree there are many nasty people... On both sides.
This thread no longer fits the category of "Entertainment"
Hard to disagree with most of that. There's a lot of prejudice and elitism in Hollywood. It's also an industry that creates violence like a special form of art...while many of those same people blame ordinary citizens for violence in our society.TCTTS said:
I can separate art from reality and enjoy most of it for what it is. But as much as the industry preaches so one-sided...it's going to take hits like this.
The fact that this movie is being spun as "See, stupid right-wingers, we made a movie just for you so why do you hate it!" tells me all I need to know about the toxic culture and groupthink when it comes to politics in the industry. Clueless. No one cares about their crusades. People are looking for entertainment, not preaching.TCTTS said:
Someone was going to come down on this movie.Duncan Idaho said:
I agree that releasing this movie after El Paso and Dayton would be in bad taste and I don't blame them for not releasing it....but....tctts' tweet shows why this whole thing is so worthy of ridicule.
The people insulted by this movie are the same people cast as the hereos.
Liberals to push their gun control legislation. Conservatives to claim they are being attacked by Hollywood. It was going to happen. Trump just got to it first. If liberals tried to defend the movie from his attack, he could point out their hypocrisy.
To be cynical: this was all just a game to see who could take "the high road" first. Like Trump or not, he's good at playing this game. It's just a shame that this movie takes the brunt of this.
My problem with most Hollywood movies nowadays is the complete lack of subtlety in the message or theme.
The best movies of all time have something to say but do it in a way that respects the audience. They require thought and the messages are nuanced.
Too often now, SJW or random political themes are just thrown in in such a lazy manner. Even if I agree with some, I'm disgusted with the laziness of the writers and directors. So many movies are guilty of this. Trust that your audience can figure it out!
The best movies of all time have something to say but do it in a way that respects the audience. They require thought and the messages are nuanced.
Too often now, SJW or random political themes are just thrown in in such a lazy manner. Even if I agree with some, I'm disgusted with the laziness of the writers and directors. So many movies are guilty of this. Trust that your audience can figure it out!
You know what jumps out at me in that?Complete Idiot said:
https://m.imdb.com/list/ls022516847/
He was in TWO Whoopi Goldberg movies in 1996 alone.
Amazing that she would work with such a racist in back-to-back movies in one year.
BoydCrowder13 said:
My problem with most Hollywood movies nowadays is the complete lack of subtlety in the message or theme.
The best movies of all time have something to say but do it in a way that respects the audience. They require thought and the messages are nuanced.
Too often now, SJW or random political themes are just thrown in in such a lazy manner. Even if I agree with some, I'm disgusted with the laziness of the writers and directors. So many movies are guilty of this. Trust that your audience can figure it out!
Absolutely in agreement on this.
If you personally identify with characters in movies like this, it says a lot about you.
PatAg said:
If you personally identify with characters in movies like this, it says a lot about you.
Another refreshing take from you. Do you write your own material?
Gigem314 said:The fact that this movie is being spun as "See, stupid right-wingers, we made a movie just for you so why do you hate it!" tells me all I need to know about the toxic culture and groupthink when it comes to politics in the industry. Clueless. No one cares about their crusades. People are looking for entertainment, not preaching.TCTTS said:
That's absolutely what this movie was intended to be. Entertainment. You can see this, as the past two years they made the First Purge, which was supposed to be a trump like figure starting the whole thing, and Get Out, which was white people as the murderers of black people. The only reason it has become politicized is because the nancies on the right were offended, and trump came out against it. The tweet just highlights how the logic of the people on the right offended of being portrayed as the good guys in a horror movie is idiotic.
Nobody was preaching about this ridiculously silly movie until people on the right began being offended by a ridiculously silly movie.
Champ Bailey said:Gigem314 said:The fact that this movie is being spun as "See, stupid right-wingers, we made a movie just for you so why do you hate it!" tells me all I need to know about the toxic culture and groupthink when it comes to politics in the industry. Clueless. No one cares about their crusades. People are looking for entertainment, not preaching.TCTTS said:
That's absolutely what this movie was intended to be. You can see this, as the past two years they made the First Purge, which was supposed to be a trump like figure starting the whole thing, and Get Out, which was white people as the murderers of black people. The only reason it has become politicized is because the nancies on the right were offended, and trump came out against it.
Yes, it had nothing to do with the optics of the general premise of a movie, remade from a movie that half the country probably hasn't seen, in a time of hyper partisan mud flinging.
This movie was an awful idea any way you slice it. Same could be said if the roles were reversed. It had already been done. The fact that it got cancelled was the best thing that could have happened for it.
Good points. Again I think that speaks to the toxic nature of politics today...particularly with those with the power to make so many of these films.BoydCrowder13 said:
My problem with most Hollywood movies nowadays is the complete lack of subtlety in the message or theme.
The best movies of all time have something to say but do it in a way that respects the audience. They require thought and the messages are nuanced.
Too often now, SJW or random political themes are just thrown in in such a lazy manner. Even if I agree with some, I'm disgusted with the laziness of the writers and directors. So many movies are guilty of this. Trust that your audience can figure it out!
But I don't think it's all laziness. I think many of them are simply too arrogant to respect the audience. They don't respect the fact that are two sides to every perspective. They believe people are stupid and need it pushed in their face, and they believe anyone that disagrees is an evil bigot.
Films of the past that were subtle in pointing out the need to respect, change, a live-and-let-live mentality didn't create firestorms...because those themes weren't tied to a political party or political movement. They were more of an encouragement of general human behavior. And not directed at one side or the other.
It's not that way anymore. Political statements are forced and mean-spirited...and often times done in ugly and vile ways. It's unfortunate.
And the irony is, it doesn't do anything to draw people to the side of what's being advocated for.
False.Champ Bailey said:Gigem314 said:The fact that this movie is being spun as "See, stupid right-wingers, we made a movie just for you so why do you hate it!" tells me all I need to know about the toxic culture and groupthink when it comes to politics in the industry. Clueless. No one cares about their crusades. People are looking for entertainment, not preaching.TCTTS said:
That's absolutely what this movie was intended to be. Entertainment. You can see this, as the past two years they made the First Purge, which was supposed to be a trump like figure starting the whole thing, and Get Out, which was white people as the murderers of black people. The only reason it has become politicized is because the nancies on the right were offended, and trump came out against it. The tweet just highlights how the logic of the people on the right offended of being portrayed as the good guys in a horror movie is idiotic.
Nobody was preaching about this ridiculously silly movie until people on the right began being offended by a ridiculously silly movie.
If it was intended to be purely entertainment, it wouldn't have been directed at one particular side.
Your general attitude here proves my statement correct.
Gigem314 said:False.Champ Bailey said:Gigem314 said:The fact that this movie is being spun as "See, stupid right-wingers, we made a movie just for you so why do you hate it!" tells me all I need to know about the toxic culture and groupthink when it comes to politics in the industry. Clueless. No one cares about their crusades. People are looking for entertainment, not preaching.TCTTS said:
That's absolutely what this movie was intended to be. Entertainment. You can see this, as the past two years they made the First Purge, which was supposed to be a trump like figure starting the whole thing, and Get Out, which was white people as the murderers of black people. The only reason it has become politicized is because the nancies on the right were offended, and trump came out against it. The tweet just highlights how the logic of the people on the right offended of being portrayed as the good guys in a horror movie is idiotic.
Nobody was preaching about this ridiculously silly movie until people on the right began being offended by a ridiculously silly movie.
If it was intended to be purely entertainment, it wouldn't have been directed at one particular side.
Your general attitude here proves my statement correct.
The studio has made movies going both ways. They don't care about preaching politics.
And you just saying "nuh uh, you are the ones who are being political." Is cute, but it's not why the movie got cancelled. It got cancelled because people on the right are being over sensitive.
Hilary Swank? At least get someone hot.
Actually I think I'm going to pivot here. Some o the most important cinema throughout history has been, whether we'll intended or not, at times when the content is most inappropriate. And if I'm being consistent with myself, the last thing I want is someone censoring themself and apologizing because something is insensitive or to appease an outrage.
I'm on board with this movie should be made.
I still think it will be awful, but I'd be a hypocrite to say it shouldn't be made.
I'm on board with this movie should be made.
I still think it will be awful, but I'd be a hypocrite to say it shouldn't be made.
They do when they portray people as caricatures. It doesn't go both ways. You just want to spin it as such.Champ Bailey said:Gigem314 said:False.Champ Bailey said:Gigem314 said:The fact that this movie is being spun as "See, stupid right-wingers, we made a movie just for you so why do you hate it!" tells me all I need to know about the toxic culture and groupthink when it comes to politics in the industry. Clueless. No one cares about their crusades. People are looking for entertainment, not preaching.TCTTS said:
That's absolutely what this movie was intended to be. Entertainment. You can see this, as the past two years they made the First Purge, which was supposed to be a trump like figure starting the whole thing, and Get Out, which was white people as the murderers of black people. The only reason it has become politicized is because the nancies on the right were offended, and trump came out against it. The tweet just highlights how the logic of the people on the right offended of being portrayed as the good guys in a horror movie is idiotic.
Nobody was preaching about this ridiculously silly movie until people on the right began being offended by a ridiculously silly movie.
If it was intended to be purely entertainment, it wouldn't have been directed at one particular side.
Your general attitude here proves my statement correct.
The studio has made movies going both ways. They don't care about preaching politics.
And you just saying "nuh uh, you are the ones who are being political." Is cute, but it's not why the movie got cancelled. It got cancelled because people on the right are being over sensitive.
And you are just saying "nuh uh the right is just being sensitive". That's a weak retort when there are so many examples in the industry of Hollywood going after one side of the political aisle.
Let me know when a studio has the cajones to make a film about the Clintons or Obamas like they've done with W. or Vice. Or about other disgraced journalists besides someone at FoxNews. There are lots of stories on both sides, yet they only want to focus one side.
It's just tiring and annoying. I don't want to hear about their dumb crusades anymore than they want to hear people say a nice thing about Trump.
Gigem314 said:They do when they portray people as caricatures.Champ Bailey said:Gigem314 said:False.Champ Bailey said:Gigem314 said:The fact that this movie is being spun as "See, stupid right-wingers, we made a movie just for you so why do you hate it!" tells me all I need to know about the toxic culture and groupthink when it comes to politics in the industry. Clueless. No one cares about their crusades. People are looking for entertainment, not preaching.TCTTS said:
That's absolutely what this movie was intended to be. Entertainment. You can see this, as the past two years they made the First Purge, which was supposed to be a trump like figure starting the whole thing, and Get Out, which was white people as the murderers of black people. The only reason it has become politicized is because the nancies on the right were offended, and trump came out against it. The tweet just highlights how the logic of the people on the right offended of being portrayed as the good guys in a horror movie is idiotic.
Nobody was preaching about this ridiculously silly movie until people on the right began being offended by a ridiculously silly movie.
If it was intended to be purely entertainment, it wouldn't have been directed at one particular side.
Your general attitude here proves my statement correct.
The studio has made movies going both ways. They don't care about preaching politics.
And you just saying "nuh uh, you are the ones who are being political." Is cute, but it's not why the movie got cancelled. It got cancelled because people on the right are being over sensitive.
And you are just saying "nuh uh the right is just being sensitive". That's a weak retort when there are so many examples in the industry of Hollywood going after one side of the political aisle.
It's just tiring. I don't want to hear about their dumb crusades anymore than they want to hear people talk about Trump.
What is the political message of this movie then? How exactly is it attacking the right?
Who knows. Like most films out of Hollywood, anyone right of center is portrayed as an overzealous bumpkin caricature. Even if it's intended for them to be the heroes.Champ Bailey said:
What is the political message of this movie then?
No, it got cancelled because it was calculated to be more of a liability than an asset.
You truly think the powers at be pulled it because they were afraid of butthurt conservatives in flyover country?
Someone decided the risk outweighed the reward, and not just in terms of dollars.
You truly think the powers at be pulled it because they were afraid of butthurt conservatives in flyover country?
Someone decided the risk outweighed the reward, and not just in terms of dollars.
Agree 100%mazag08 said:
Actually I think I'm going to pivot here. Some o the most important cinema throughout history has been, whether we'll intended or not, at times when the content is most inappropriate. And if I'm being consistent with myself, the last thing I want is someone censoring themself and apologizing because something is insensitive or to appease an outrage.
I'm on board with this movie should be made.
I still think it will be awful, but I'd be a hypocrite to say it shouldn't be made.
Gigem314 said:Who knows. Like most films out of Hollywood, anyone right of center is portrayed as an overzealous bumpkin caricature. Even if it's intended for them to be the heroes.Champ Bailey said:
What is the political message of this movie then?
Ah, I see. So to sum up your argument, you believe that the movie was right to be cancelled or postponed because of the political message attacking people on the right, even though you don't know what that message actually is, and regardless of the fact that the movie shows the right as the good guys. But it probably will because Hollywood.
I think I'm done discussing this with you. You are arguing feelings, not facts, and no amount of logic is going to overcome your feelings. Have a nice day.
Nope. As a matter of fact, I think it's hypocritical of them to cancel/postpone because of the shootings. Stand by your work, if not...then it probably wasn't worth creating in the first place. It's cowardly.Champ Bailey said:Gigem314 said:Who knows. Like most films out of Hollywood, anyone right of center is portrayed as an overzealous bumpkin caricature. Even if it's intended for them to be the heroes.Champ Bailey said:
What is the political message of this movie then?
Ah, I see. So your argument is that the movie was right to be cancelled or postponed because of the political message attacking people on the right, even though you don't know what that message actually is, and regardless of the fact that the movie shows the right as the good guys. But it probably will because Hollywood.
I think I'm done discussing this with you. You are arguing feelings, not facts, and no amount of logic is going to overcome your feelings. Have a nice day.
Fine by me. You've gone nothing but project and run yourself in circles. You're not basing your arguments on any facts. You just seem to resent the fact that I share a different opinion than you do...and your discomfort with that is causing you to overcompensate.
Have a nice day.
This is entirely because of the shootings. That's why it was cancelled/postponed.Urban Ag said:
No, it got cancelled because it was calculated to be more of a liability than an asset.
You truly think the powers at be pulled it because they were afraid of butthurt conservatives in flyover country?
Someone decided the risk outweighed the reward, and not just in terms of dollars.
They're scared to put out a film that makes violence and shooting seem like it's no big deal.
Gigem314 said:
They're scared to put out a film that makes violence and shooting seem like it's no big deal.
Hollywood is scared of this?
What's more likely...the studio pulled the release due to the recent social uproar over the El Paso and Dayton shootings and the timing being horrible optics...or they pulled it because "those damn right-wingers" said some mean things on social media about it?CJS4715 said:Gigem314 said:
They're scared to put out a film that makes violence and shooting seem like it's no big deal.
Hollywood is scared of this?
If they were basing it off opposition response, then films like Vice and FNC mini series never would have seen the light of day.
I think they saw the really bad optics of the timing and chose to pull it...out of PR fear/concern.
I think you are confusing brave with stupidShife said:
Liberal elite aka the Hollywood and NYC white people aren't brave enough to do this in real life so they are forced to make a fantasy about it.
Is there a more oversensitive Jan on the entertainment board than Gigem314?
For real dude, not everyone and everything is out to get conservatives. I didn't hear the name Trump or right wing or conservative anywhere in that trailer.
For real dude, not everyone and everything is out to get conservatives. I didn't hear the name Trump or right wing or conservative anywhere in that trailer.
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