oragator said:

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I tried to point it out to folks at the time, but 7 was unequivocally depressing proof that Disney had zero original ideas for the franchise other than recycling old crap in a safe way to make their ridiculous monetary investment back. It took 8 coming out before most people finally began to accept it. Solo was the last straw - a decent movie but one with no heart and zero innovation. At that point even Disney realized they were destroying a franchise that even Lucas and the second prequel couldn't kill, and vowed changes.
As far at the GOT writers taking over, their magic was in Martin's already written material, once they ventured outside of that, quality plummeted. So its put up or shut up time for them too.

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That's not entirely true. Season 6 was outside of the book material and contained some of the best episodes in the series.

That's not to say that they'll have guaranteed success working on star wars. But they do have some ability. We'll see if season 8 or season 6 was the exception.

Breathe. Just....breathe.






So damn stupid.

The difference between marvel and star wars is that the marvel MCU is just that a universe. Star wars can't even fill a big country much less a galaxy.

The episodes of the clone war without anakin, rogue one, and rebels were great because it wasnt the same 4 (now 7) characters that we already know.

For most new characters, Marvel would introduce them by takin the time to make a solid movie that referenced and leaned on the broader mcu but didnt require it to exist and focused on that character.

Everything from the throne room scene on is better than anything in the prequels. I'm sorry you subjected yourself to those more than once.

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CJS4715 said:

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My opinion on TLJ has shifted quite a few times. It is the most confused I've ever been by a Star Wars movie. I'm not even sure what my opinion is of it vs. the opinion of others that I've just adopted over time.

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This is where I am on this as well. It's such a well shot movie and is visually amazing, I want to like it so much but the more time that goes on the more I dislike it. I just really hated the way the story was told and there was no payoff at the end for any of the questions that were set up by TFA.

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Regarding your last sentence, I think it's important to remember it was just Part 2 in a 3-part story. Maybe this last movie will satisfy a lot of those questions that came out of TFA. I'm withholding judgement on the overall sequel story until TROS comes out. I actually think JJ has the chance to make TLJ more palatable for a lot of people by what he does in IX.

Saul Goodman said:

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Belton Ag said:

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CJS4715 said:

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My opinion on TLJ has shifted quite a few times. It is the most confused I've ever been by a Star Wars movie. I'm not even sure what my opinion is of it vs. the opinion of others that I've just adopted over time.

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This is where I am on this as well. It's such a well shot movie and is visually amazing, I want to like it so much but the more time that goes on the more I dislike it. I just really hated the way the story was told and there was no payoff at the end for any of the questions that were set up by TFA.

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Regarding your last sentence, I think it's important to remember it was just Part 2 in a 3-part story. Maybe this last movie will satisfy a lot of those questions that came out of TFA. I'm withholding judgement on the overall sequel story until TROS comes out. I actually think JJ has the chance to make TLJ more palatable for a lot of people by what he does in IX.

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I agree with you and maybe I didn't phrase it right. Not only did it not answer any questions, it completely turned every question on its ear to the point that it's going to to take some ultra creative writing to answer them. And in the case of Snoke, who I was really kind of looking forward to seeing more of as a villain, it ended it completely.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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amercer said:

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Everything from the throne room scene on is better than anything in the prequels. I'm sorry you subjected yourself to those more than once.

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Ex-queeze me?

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Jedi Council tells Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon to try and figure out who the "dark warrior" is. Neither one of them every says a single word to him. Just light up the blades and go to work.

As my very best SW pal said after we watched it, "I mean, how about you start with "Who are you? What's your deal?"

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Young people have always been the Star Wars target demographic.

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While I don't disagree with this, one might think Disney may realize that those young folks (I was one) who lined up for each of the original movies and saw them multiple times might remain just as infatuated with Star Wars now as they were then.

Star Wars died for me with the release of the fourth movie (Episode 1.)

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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You mean sometime after he ignited a dual-bladed lightsaber and tries to kill them?

Not to mention, homeboy looks like the devil himself. You gonna try to reason with somebody with a face like that?

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That's very speciest of you to say. Eeth Koth is from the same planet and he's on the damn Jedi Council!

Dude's literally got horns.

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oragator said:

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I tried to point it out to folks at the time, but 7 was unequivocally depressing proof that Disney had zero original ideas for the franchise other than recycling old crap in a safe way to make their ridiculous monetary investment back. It took 8 coming out before most people finally began to accept it. Solo was the last straw - a decent movie but one with no heart and zero innovation. At that point even Disney realized they were destroying a franchise that even Lucas and the second prequel couldn't kill, and vowed changes.
As far at the GOT writers taking over, their magic was in Martin's already written material, once they ventured outside of that, quality plummeted. So its put up or shut up time for them too.

I will stick it out through 9, since it's kind of been a goal since the late 70's when I learned there were 9, but after that they have to truly earn my money to get me into a theater again. Of the 2 people I saw the prequels with as well as 7 (also my age and saw the original trilogy in theaters), one already bailed after 7, the other is now on the fence for 9. Sad to see. And without a burgeoning younger audience commitment (which isn't happening), and without China coming on board (box office there has been terrible), the franchise doesn't have a bright future.
Part of me wants to see Disney take it up the backside for what the they did, so it's kind of a win win.

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This should only be read in Comic Book Guy's voice.

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This is some unbelievable fandom right here. Insert ["everything is fine" house burning pic here]

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The internet loves to hate TLJ, but it was a fine movie and a big box office success. The next movie will be as well. Also the Disney park Star Wars attractions seem to be going really well.

I don't think there is any risk of Disney driving Star Wars into irrelevance. Disney doesn't really care about catering to old guys on the internet. Young people have always been the Star Wars target demographic.

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Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

You post a lot about something you supposedly hate.

Lol.
Context is lost with random posts..I am not even close to a super fan, I go to the movies when they come out and that's about it...but for folks my age, seeing a fond piece of their childhood being turned into a somewhat better version of the later Rocky movies is sad. Especially when there is so much potential with the larger universe and Disney has handled them so cynically. Zero appetite for risk or innovation (outside of rogue one) in favor of paint by numbers vanilla retread stuff. The franchise deserves more. Sometimes it's just fun to vent on something you don't really have reason to talk about anywhere else.

That's all.