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In reply to Francis Macomber • 11:03a, 8/15/19
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bangobango said:
fig96 said:
So I know I'm in the minority that didn't hate TLJ. I didn't love it, but I felt like the choices made were simply a direction people didn't like (which I can totally understand). Not going to argue for it, to each their own.

That being said, I think the TFA hate from some is off base. Yes, it was somewhat rehashed and familiar, but that was exactly what the franchise needed at that point. The prequels overall took Star Wars away from being Star Wars, they felt overly digital and forced and faux serious. We needed a return to something that just felt like a Star Wars film, and Abrams absolutely nailed that both in look and tone.

There were moments in that film where I got goosebumps because I WAS WATCHING A REAL STAR WARS FILM and that was what had been missing for years.

Oddly enough, a lot of the hate for TFA stems from TLJ. There is a not small number of fans who were happy with TFA, but the lack of payoff in TLJ makes TFA seem like a much weaker story than it did on first viewing as the first act of what promised to be a three movie story arch.
I can see that, though maybe a bit unfair to hold that against TFA specifically.

It also remains to be seen what happens, with Abrams calling the shots on IX things may very well wrap up in the end.
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In reply to Fat Bib Fortuna • 11:11a, 8/15/19
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MuckRaker96 said:
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Star Wars died for me with the release of the fourth movie (Episode 1.)
And yet here you are 20 years later?
Yes, but I have not watched another Star Wars movie.
***It's your money, not theIRS! (At least for a little while longer.)
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In reply to taxpreparer • 11:28a, 8/15/19
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MuckRaker96 said:
taxpreparer said:
Star Wars died for me with the release of the fourth movie (Episode 1.)
And yet here you are 20 years later?
Yes, but I have not watched another Star Wars movie.
I guess I'm just naive, but to decided I hated something in 1999 but still be posting about it on the Internet in 2019 sounds staggering. Although I guess I'm that way about our football team.
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12:08p, 8/15/19
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To this day I still call bull**** on any poster who thinks tlj is worse than attack of the clones.

I think SW really needs their Feige to make this work. And we need to get away from the sky walker era. I still have a lot of hope because I like what I have seen of the mandalorian as well as 9. Jj is a better writer for this thing than rain johnson despite me loving looper.
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In reply to Saxsoon • 12:10p, 8/15/19
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Saxsoon said:
To this day I still call bull**** on any poster who thinks tlj is worse than attack of the clones.

I think SW really needs their Feige to make this work. And we need to get away from the sky walker era. I still have a lot of hope because I like what I have seen of the mandalorian as well as 9. Jj is a better writer for this thing than rain johnson despite me loving looper.
Attack of the Clones has Natalie Portman in the ripped up white outfit, tlj does not[/israeliag]
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In reply to Saxsoon • 12:12p, 8/15/19
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Saxsoon said:
To this day I still call bull**** on any poster who thinks tlj is worse than attack of the clones.

I think SW really needs their Feige to make this work. And we need to get away from the sky walker era. I still have a lot of hope because I like what I have seen of the mandalorian as well as 9. Jj is a better writer for this thing than rain johnson despite me loving looper.
I actually like the third act of Attack of the Clones and will watch it if the tv's on and I stumble across it.

I honestly can't see myself watching any of TLJ again. Zero interest.
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In reply to Saxsoon • 12:21p, 8/15/19
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Saxsoon said:
To this day I still call bull**** on any poster who thinks tlj is worse than attack of the clones.
Meh. Call BS all you want. I'd much rather watch AOTC than TLJ. At least AOTC has lots of lightsabers. TLJ has Luke milking some beached manatee things after throwing his lightsaber away off a cliff.
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In reply to Urban Ag • 12:23p, 8/15/19
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Maybe I'm weird, but I'll watch pretty much any of them when they're on. And I'm not a fan of the prequels in general.
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12:28p, 8/15/19
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Things AOTC has:

  • The opening battle of the Clone Wars
  • John Williams' Across The Stars
  • A reprise of Duel of the Fates
  • Padme's bare midriff
  • Padme in a night dress accentuating her chesticles
  • A sweet chase through Coruscant (And our best look at the lower levels of Coruscant)
  • The sound of Jango's seismic charges
  • Obi-Wan generally being a badass
  • Yoda pulling out his lightsaber with the force like a boss, and then going to town on Count Dooku
  • The Imperial March played in its full glory, with Palpatine looking out on his newly acquired army
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12:37p, 8/15/19
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Veering off-topic. AOTC has nothing to do with Disney.
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 12:48p, 8/15/19
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M.C. Swag said:
Veering off-topic. AOTC has nothing to do with Disney.
But it's an obvious comparison point of the trilogies as a whole.

Shouldn't dig too deep into it, but it's certainly part of the discussion.
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 12:50p, 8/15/19
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M.C. Swag said:
Veering off-topic. AOTC has nothing to do with Disney.
Except being owned by it.
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1:02p, 8/15/19
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Fine. If you want to re-hash the "Which SW movie was the worst?" go for it.
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 1:21p, 8/15/19
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This entire thread is a rehash of the same conversation we've had for over a year now.
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1:22p, 8/15/19
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Might as well call it "The Thread Awakens".
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 1:24p, 8/15/19
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Yeah, agreed. Don't know why this convo deserved its own thread to begin with. I'm as guilty as anyone, though. Trying to take everything back to the main thread now...
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1:44p, 8/15/19
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So the conclusion is that Disney isnt killing Star Wars because the SW universe wasn't all that great to begin with and was bound to fail? We (and Disney) were duped by the awesomeness of the original trilogy into thinking there's more there there. The poor movies are simply a symptom of a poorly designed universe and generally uninteresting characters.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 1:46p, 8/15/19
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
This entire thread is a rehash of the same conversation we've had


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In reply to tysker • 2:11p, 8/15/19
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tysker said:
So the conclusion is that Disney isnt killing Star Wars because the SW universe wasn't all that great to begin with and was bound to fail? We (and Disney) were duped by the awesomeness of the original trilogy into thinking there's more there there. The poor movies are simply a symptom of a poorly designed universe and generally uninteresting characters.
More to do with the crappy prequel from Lucas but mostly the killing of the "good Canon" by Disney.

I seriously doubt anyone here would have truly had a problem with Disney doing Heir to the Empire as the last trilogy. We might have argued they didn't do the books justice, but the concept would have been perfect.

It is the same problem GoT had when it had no book source.
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2:17p, 8/15/19
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Thought this should go here, since there is so much RJ and TLJ love being tossed about:

Rian Johnson's Star Wars Trilogy steps beyond the legacy characters!

ME:
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In reply to twilly • 2:20p, 8/15/19
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We've known this for years now. I realize it's a new quote, but he said basically the same thing when his trilogy was first announced.
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In reply to TCTTS • 2:22p, 8/15/19
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TCTTS said:
We've known this for years now. I realize it's a new quote, but he said basically the same thing when his trilogy was first announced.
I know its a rehash of old news. Came across my feed this afternoon.

Just lobbing a holy hand grenade into the thread.
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2:25p, 8/15/19
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My problem with Rian Johnson is the # of quotes with him saying that he likes making divisive films. If that is truly his philosophy, I don't think Star Wars is for him.
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In reply to twilly • 2:50p, 8/15/19
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twilly said:
TCTTS said:
We've known this for years now. I realize it's a new quote, but he said basically the same thing when his trilogy was first announced.
I know its a rehash of old news. Came across my feed this afternoon.

Just lobbing a holy hand grenade into the thread.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 2:52p, 8/15/19
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Things AOTC has:

  • The opening battle of the Clone Wars
  • John Williams' Across The Stars
  • A reprise of Duel of the Fates
  • Padme's bare midriff
  • Padme in a night dress accentuating her chesticles
  • A sweet chase through Coruscant (And our best look at the lower levels of Coruscant)
  • The sound of Jango's seismic charges
  • Obi-Wan generally being a badass
  • Yoda pulling out his lightsaber with the force like a boss, and then going to town on Count Dooku
  • The Imperial March played in its full glory, with Palpatine looking out on his newly acquired army

If you've never noticed, take a look at Mas Amedda's face on the balcony when the Clone Army deploys.

AOTC also has:
Obi-Wan vs. Jango really cool fight
Mace Windu's Purple Reign
That scene between Obi-Wan and Jango in his apartment, very well acted scene by 2 vets.
Padme saying "Please don't look at me that way," to Anakin, then proceeding to dress like a ho for the rest of the movie.
Owen and Cliegg Lars repeatedly asking Anakin to come inside to talk.
Hayden Christiansen's best acting scene of the prequels when he tells Padme he slaughtered the Tuskens
Count Dooku's really cool solar sailer


There are ton of flaws in AOTC, but I just roll with them. I can't live my life upset at a movie that came out 17 years ago.
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In reply to Fat Bib Fortuna • 3:13p, 8/15/19
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I always notice Bail Organa's face right before it cuts away. He looks down and you can totally read the shock/disappointment on his face about what is happening. Cool little detail.
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In reply to The Collective • 3:15p, 8/15/19
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Touche.
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8:14p, 8/15/19
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I like TLJ
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In reply to twilly • 1:55p, 8/16/19
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twilly said:
Thought this should go here, since there is so much RJ and TLJ love being tossed about:

Rian Johnson's Star Wars Trilogy steps beyond the legacy characters!

ME:


I really don't think there is any way Rian ever gets to direct those movies.
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In reply to Francis Macomber • 2:02p, 8/16/19
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I would love nothing more - if only because the endless snark and complaining is going to be unbearable in the lead up (and I'm as guilty as anyone) - but I'm afraid they're happening.
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In reply to TCTTS • 2:13p, 8/16/19
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I would love nothing more - if only because the endless snark and complaining is going to be unbearable in the lead up (and I'm as guilty as anyone) - but I'm afraid they're happening.
Speaking of endless snark and complaining, I'll buy you one of the new T-17s if you don't make The Last Jedi rewatch thread
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3:14p, 8/16/19
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We should just make a list of the parts of the movie we like, or think are good
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In reply to Fat Bib Fortuna • 4:21p, 8/16/19
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MuckRaker96 said:
TCTTS said:
I would love nothing more - if only because the endless snark and complaining is going to be unbearable in the lead up (and I'm as guilty as anyone) - but I'm afraid they're happening.
Speaking of endless snark and complaining, I'll buy you one of the new T-17s if you don't make The Last Jedi rewatch thread

Ha, sorry. My opinion on owning toys as an adult is the same as my opinion on going to theme parks as an adult.
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:22p, 8/16/19
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TCTTS said:
MuckRaker96 said:
TCTTS said:
I would love nothing more - if only because the endless snark and complaining is going to be unbearable in the lead up (and I'm as guilty as anyone) - but I'm afraid they're happening.
Speaking of endless snark and complaining, I'll buy you one of the new T-17s if you don't make The Last Jedi rewatch thread

Ha, sorry. My opinion on owning toys as an adult is the same as my opinion on going to theme parks as an adult.


They better be sexual in nature?
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:28p, 8/16/19
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TCTTS said:
MuckRaker96 said:
TCTTS said:
I would love nothing more - if only because the endless snark and complaining is going to be unbearable in the lead up (and I'm as guilty as anyone) - but I'm afraid they're happening.
Speaking of endless snark and complaining, I'll buy you one of the new T-17s if you don't make The Last Jedi rewatch thread

Ha, sorry. My opinion on owning toys as an adult is the same as my opinion on going to theme parks as an adult.
I don't necessarily want to rehash the going-to-theme-parks-as-an-adult discussion but I was at Disney in Anaheim last week and since I had just read that discussion my radar was up. I noticed a TON of young adults there. People in their 20's and 30's with no kids looking like they were having as much fun as they would have been if they were 10.

My favorites were the guys waiting to meet and get autographs from Captain Marvel (who was smoking hot by the way) and the young girls lined up to see Captain America.
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