For the love of everything, man, take a cue from the majority for once and shut the **** up. You are unrelentingly obnoxious and you're not changing anybody's mind with your baseless opinions. Go. Do. Something. Else. It's like you're determined to destroy the joy of this board one thread at a time.
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Do you find it weird that only this board gets it's panties in a wad about this sort of thing? Perhaps it's you and not me.Tobias Funke said:
For the love of everything, man, take a cue from the majority for once and shut the **** up. You are unrelentingly obnoxious and you're not changing anybody's mind with your baseless opinions. Go. Do. Something. Else. It's like you're determined to destroy the joy of this board one thread at a time.
The fact that me merely posting my opinion pisses you guys off so much makes me want to do it more every time you try to bully me away. I'd thought you guys would have figured that out by now. I guess not.
But why? Just use ignore feature. Unless you just have lots of time to kill. I gave up trying to "straighten people out" a long time ago here.Brian Earl Spilner said:
aTm gets a lot of responses. He gets the most responses. You would not believe how many responses he gets. It would make your head spin, believe me.
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This is not what I am saying at all. I am saying that people who are subjected to rape AND other forms of sexual assault should be duty bound to report it to the police immediately. Because if they wait for months or years there is ZERO chance of the person being convicted, and that person will be free to abuse others. While a victim bears NO blame at all for the assault, the mere fact that they are a victim does not immunize them from blame for every future deed.
Nassar's youngest victim was 6. So it is her fault for not understanding what is happening to her, and not reporting it immediately? And she bears responsibility for all future victims? Are you brain damaged?
You still don't get it.Quote:
Likewise, the guys you mentioned above were indeed assaulted by definition. But if nobody ever turned in Strauss then he wouldn't and shouldn't be convicted of assault now (if he's still alive) unless they have more substantial proof.
These were adult males who didn't realize what was happening to them constituted sexual assault. Think about that time period, 1979-1998, homophobia was rampant. If you told other guys the doctor got a little handsy with you, maybe grabbed your balls, maybe fondled you, what are your teammates going to say? What are they going to imply? That you liked it? What is your coach going to say? Question your manhood a little? So you stay silent.
And Strauss moved on to his next victim.
The sick genius of what Nassar and Strauss did is that they hid in plain sight, disguising their attacks as normal medical treatment.
Fear is not limited to just one gender.
But according to you, the predators should go free if it is not immediately reported.
No. What I find weird is the perverted satisfaction you derive from having a dissenting opinion. You are the common denominator here.
I can't imagine how horribly you were bullied growing up, and for that I feel sorry for you. But at some point you need to learn to keep your terrible opinions to yourself or go find a new strange community that doesn't get riled up by them.
I can't imagine how horribly you were bullied growing up, and for that I feel sorry for you. But at some point you need to learn to keep your terrible opinions to yourself or go find a new strange community that doesn't get riled up by them.
thanks for the clarificationSACR said:
You are misunderstanding.
It wasn't just that the victims were young, all victims of pedophiles are young, they go after children, it's what makes them pedophiles.
Nassar claimed what he was doing was a medical treatment. So when mothers were sitting in the exam room, they thought he was doing a medical treatment when he was molesting their daughters. When athletes complained to others, Nassar dismissed those concerns by telling those other people, "I was doing a medical treatment", and they bought it.
This wasn't a case of "he did this to these girls, and then they grew up and started reading and realized this was wrong", this was a case where he had the victims, their parents, his colleagues at USA Gymnastics, medical review boards, the athletic department at Michigan State, and hundreds of other people completely fooled to his crimes. And people like aTmAg will still claim it wasn't sexual assault, because he wasn't violently raping these girls or these student-athletes.
No, I SPECIFICALLY said otherwise. I was the guy who first bought up Nassar to point out that those victims do not deserve blame:SACR said:Quote:
This is not what I am saying at all. I am saying that people who are subjected to rape AND other forms of sexual assault should be duty bound to report it to the police immediately. Because if they wait for months or years there is ZERO chance of the person being convicted, and that person will be free to abuse others. While a victim bears NO blame at all for the assault, the mere fact that they are a victim does not immunize them from blame for every future deed.
Nassar's youngest victim was 6. So it is her fault for not understanding what is happening to her, and not reporting it immediately? And she bears responsibility for all future victims? Are you brain damaged?
Clearly neither you, nor the idiots who star you are reading the thread.Quote:
Sorta like the Larry Nassar gymnastics thing. When the gymnasts were young they didn't understand that what was going on (the parents and other adults should have had a freaking clue sooner, however). But as they grew up, they started speaking out because they understood better. I applaud them for that.
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But according to you, the predators should go free if it is not immediately reported unless they have proof.
Clearly you still don't get it. To convict people you need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Despite what you think, people are presumed innocent in our country. You can't have somebody a decade later claim they were assaulted and have that be sufficient to throw the defendant in jail. That's not the way it works and not the way it should work.
A couple years ago, my daughter's HS soccer coach promised 5 JV girls that they could join varsity for playoffs. We made it to the playoffs, and he told those girls to turn in their jerseys that the were not joining varsity after all. They were pissed and they quit the team in a fit of rage. In your world, what they could have done is claim that the coach sexually assaulted them. That the reason they kept it quiet so long is out of fear, and that "you just don't understand the mental trauma of assault." That we must just assume they are telling the truth and throw the coach in jail. Luckily, people like you aren't in charge of our justice system.
No, the problem is you guys can't handle dissenting opinion, and other boards can. Hell I get more intelligent debate out of reddit than I do the entertainment board, and they are a bunch of college age kids living in their mother's basement wondering why they can't get a job.Tobias Funke said:
No. What I find weird is the perverted satisfaction you derive from having a dissenting opinion. You are the common denominator here.
I can't imagine how horribly you were bullied growing up, and for that I feel sorry for you. But at some point you need to learn to keep your terrible opinions to yourself or go find a new strange community that doesn't get riled up by them.
What exactly is your "dissenting opinion" on this thread? Taking the side of Harvey Weinstein in this case? Lol, gee why would people not like that?
You clearly didn't read the articles I linked. There is evidence in these cases against Weinstein. So much so that he has been indicted on criminal charges in two parts of the country. Physical evidence is not the only kind of evidence.
You keep making up scenarios where groups of women make up false sexual assault allegations against a man. One, that rarely happens, and two, that is also illegal.
So your whole argument is "What if people do something that is illegal?" I don't know man, that wouldn't be good? That would almost be as bad as men in positions of power taking advantage of vulnerable women. Which is also illegal and happens way more frequently than groups of upset women making up allegations of abuse.
You clearly didn't read the articles I linked. There is evidence in these cases against Weinstein. So much so that he has been indicted on criminal charges in two parts of the country. Physical evidence is not the only kind of evidence.
You keep making up scenarios where groups of women make up false sexual assault allegations against a man. One, that rarely happens, and two, that is also illegal.
So your whole argument is "What if people do something that is illegal?" I don't know man, that wouldn't be good? That would almost be as bad as men in positions of power taking advantage of vulnerable women. Which is also illegal and happens way more frequently than groups of upset women making up allegations of abuse.
what so many don't realize it rape is far more than just something physical.
It is emotional and mental torture that lasts for years.
You spend countless hours blaming yourself. I shouldn't have invited him over. Those shorts were too tight. I shouldn't have made him mad by telling him I wanted to break up.
No one knows how someone should react and respond other than the victim.
So proselytizing to anyone who can read that your opinion is the only one just shows why people hide it and try to pretend it never happened.
There is no empathy or concern for the emotional impact that has. Bruises and cuts fade. The memory of that afternoon doesn't
It is emotional and mental torture that lasts for years.
You spend countless hours blaming yourself. I shouldn't have invited him over. Those shorts were too tight. I shouldn't have made him mad by telling him I wanted to break up.
No one knows how someone should react and respond other than the victim.
So proselytizing to anyone who can read that your opinion is the only one just shows why people hide it and try to pretend it never happened.
There is no empathy or concern for the emotional impact that has. Bruises and cuts fade. The memory of that afternoon doesn't
There you go again lying about my position. I have said many times that I couldn't care less about Weinstein. That he could rot in hell for all I care.jc1402 said:
What exactly is your "dissenting opinion" on this thread? Taking the side of Harvey Weinstein in this case? Lol, gee why would people not like that?
I haven't read it yet. I will probably tonight or tomorrow. When I got home last night, I watched Netflix with the wife and wasn't in the mood to read about Weinstein. But notice, that this morning I have not made any comments at all about the Weinstein case? That is because I have not yet read your links. I'm just responding to people who are talking about Nassar or other scenarios that have diverged from the Weinstein specifically.Quote:
You clearly didn't read the articles I linked. There is evidence in these cases against Weinstein. So much so that he has been indicted on criminal charges in two parts of the country. Physical evidence is not the only kind of evidence.
Well guess what? I don't think we should convict the women of making false allegations either unless there is proof of that too.Quote:
You keep making up scenarios where groups of women make up false sexual assault allegations against a man. One, that rarely happens, and two, that is also illegal.
Again, I agree that is bad. All I am saying is that we should convict based on proof beyond a reasonable doubt. We can't have sitations where a scorned person goes after somebody via a sexual assault accusation because of some personal agenda. I'm not even comfortable of convicting somebody of murder solely based on the testimony of a single witness, but at least in most of those cases the witness never knew the defendant prior and had no reason for revenge.Quote:
So your whole argument is "What if people do something that is illegal?" I don't know man, that wouldn't be good? That would almost be as bad as men in positions of power taking advantage of vulnerable women. Which is also illegal and happens way more frequently than groups of upset women making up allegations of abuse.
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Dude. You come from the politics board. The fact that you probably don't see the irony in this post says it all.aTmAg said:No, the problem is you guys can't handle dissenting opinion, and other boards can. Hell I get more intelligent debate out of reddit than I do the entertainment board, and they are a bunch of college age kids living in their mother's basement wondering why they can't get a job.Tobias Funke said:
No. What I find weird is the perverted satisfaction you derive from having a dissenting opinion. You are the common denominator here.
I can't imagine how horribly you were bullied growing up, and for that I feel sorry for you. But at some point you need to learn to keep your terrible opinions to yourself or go find a new strange community that doesn't get riled up by them.
Which is why I'm so adamant on teaching kids and young women and men that it's not their fault just like it wasn't Nicole's fault that OJ killed her, and that it is important to report assaults as soon as possible. Parents are uncomfortable talking to their kids about things like this, but that's better than have them victimized and keep it secret for 10 years.Tanya 93 said:
what so many don't realize it rape is far more than just something physical.
It is emotional and mental torture that lasts for years.
You spend countless hours blaming yourself. I shouldn't have invited him over. Those shorts were too tight. I shouldn't have made him mad by telling him I wanted to break up.
No one knows how someone should react and respond other than the victim.
So proselytizing to anyone who can read that your opinion is the only one just shows why people hide it and try to pretend it never happened.
There is no empathy or concern for the emotional impact that has. Bruises and cuts fade. The memory of that afternoon doesn't
Libs are welcome on the politics board. I have never blocked anybody nor flagged them based on mere political disagreement. I can't think of a single time on that board where people say, "hey everybody, block person X so maybe he will go away." It happens here all the time.Brian Earl Spilner said:Dude. You come from the politics board. The fact that you probably don't see the irony in this post says it all.aTmAg said:No, the problem is you guys can't handle dissenting opinion, and other boards can. Hell I get more intelligent debate out of reddit than I do the entertainment board, and they are a bunch of college age kids living in their mother's basement wondering why they can't get a job.Tobias Funke said:
No. What I find weird is the perverted satisfaction you derive from having a dissenting opinion. You are the common denominator here.
I can't imagine how horribly you were bullied growing up, and for that I feel sorry for you. But at some point you need to learn to keep your terrible opinions to yourself or go find a new strange community that doesn't get riled up by them.
Something something about arguing on the internet, even if you win, you're still something something.
I literally posted once and was told to "stick to movies".
That's it? That is nothing compared to what political board posters get here.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I literally posted once and was told to "stick to movies".
I assume you are talking about him?third coast.. said:aTmAg said:That's it? That is nothing compared to what political board posters get here.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I literally posted once and was told to "stick to movies".
#victim
Obviously, I take EB abuse and let it roll off my back since I still post here (much to chagrin of EP dudes). In fact, the more abuse I take the more I post.
On the politics board I take the contrary positions too, and instead of getting their panties in a wad, they actually engage in debate. That's the difference between the two boards.
How is being told to stick to movies a debate? That's being told to GTFO because your opinion is different.
I looked it up, your entire post was something like "I can't wait until we don't hear about Trump anymore". What sort of intellectual debate would you like to see spawn from that deep and well though out position?Brian Earl Spilner said:
How is being told to stick to movies a debate? That's being told to GTFO because your opinion is different.
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In fact, the more abuse I take the more I post.
This is incredibly sad, I hope you know that.
I didn't go there looking to debate. I'm simply countering your argument.
I dislike Trump and want to see him impeached. That position is apparently enough to not be welcome in the Politics Board. You're either with Trump, or you're not welcome there.
So it's just funny when you try to paint the EB as some place where debates and dissenting opinions are unwelcome, and Politics as some intellectually superior forum where only level-headed and respectful debate occurs.
I dislike Trump and want to see him impeached. That position is apparently enough to not be welcome in the Politics Board. You're either with Trump, or you're not welcome there.
So it's just funny when you try to paint the EB as some place where debates and dissenting opinions are unwelcome, and Politics as some intellectually superior forum where only level-headed and respectful debate occurs.
atmag reminds me of an old poster called Notafraid
This thread is a microcosm of Forum 13.
And nobody looks good in it. Not atmag, nor the merry band of Forum 13 regulars who are the sole and only moral compass the world has ever seen.
It just needs to die.
And nobody looks good in it. Not atmag, nor the merry band of Forum 13 regulars who are the sole and only moral compass the world has ever seen.
It just needs to die.
Then why are you complaining? You got no discussion and were able to come back here and whine how you were treated badly by the meanies on the PB. Everything you wanted.
There are plenty of people on the politics who are anti-trump on that board. I myself didn't vote for Trump. However, unlike you, when they post, they actually make a point and something that warrants a discussion. Not a one sentence in how Trump sucks.
There are plenty of people on the politics who are anti-trump on that board. I myself didn't vote for Trump. However, unlike you, when they post, they actually make a point and something that warrants a discussion. Not a one sentence in how Trump sucks.
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