Tibbers said:

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Well I did not see any lead up to anything. Just saw the title and thought, "hey its lovecraft" what I was greeted with was an hour of "white people are awful" via nonsensical style. The cafe that had white painted walls and was thus representative of the white house. I mean...what?

HBO could have picked any number of shows yet they picked that at this heightened time. Its a narrative. When the credits rolled and I saw Peele's name, well, its obvious intent became known.

Further, this is a decided effort and a continuing mission to depict stories in this light.

Its sad they couldn't just tell a horror story without 90% being about race, but its expected considering the narrative.

No escapism anymore apparently.

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So it's HBO's fault you didn't see the MANY trailers and commercials CLEARLY advertising this as race being its primary theme? I'm sorry, but you come across as incredibly ignorant with that statement. Never mind the fact that this whole "white people bad" convo has been had ad nauseam in this thread already. For the 400th time, "white racists bad" does not equal "white people bad." That, and, once again... no one's forcing you to watch.

Tibbers said:

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Well I did not see any lead up to anything. Just saw the title and thought, "hey its lovecraft" what I was greeted with was an hour of "white people are awful" via nonsensical style. The cafe that had white painted walls and was thus representative of the white house. I mean...what?

HBO could have picked any number of shows yet they picked that at this heightened time. Its a narrative. When the credits rolled and I saw Peele's name, well, its obvious intent became known.

Further, this is a decided effort and a continuing mission to depict stories in this light.

Its sad they couldn't just tell a horror story without 90% being about race, but its expected considering the narrative.

No escapism anymore apparently.

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It's based off a book that was written in 2016, optioned in 2017, piloted in 2018, and shot in 2019. They couldn't have predicted that everything going on this summer would be going on. The show follows the book, both in narrative and themes, which the major theme is using Lovecraftian motifs to represent the struggle of black Americans during segregation. I'm sorry you didn't look up what it was about beforehand, but as mentioned, the promos made that part very very clear.

And as for Jordan Peele, writing stories as a black man from a black point of view isn't race baiting. It's telling a story relevant to and important to him. From your posts, maybe it would benefit you to watch and try to understand instead of throwing a fit because racism is depicted.

You realize Peele is MARRIED to a white woman, right? Whom he has a kid with, at that.

I'm sorry, but you sound utterly unhinged. It's clear you have your point of view, and, by God, aren't going to let facts get in the way of it. One look at your posting history and it's no surprise that you spend a majority of your time on F16...

Redstone will have the details.

I'll look into it. However....
Showrunners, especially for a high-profile re-imagining of popular source material, tend to be a little apprehensive about giving out unreleased details.

Will report back.

Duncan Idaho said:

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Redstone will have the details.

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As far as it's wokeness - don't know if already mentioned - but the actress Jurnee Smollett is yep, Jussie's sister so I can guess the angle that gets portrayed.

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I have no idea how those two things are supposed to be related, but I can pretty safely say if you're arriving at that conclusion this show would never have been for you in any case.

Exactly. Don't get me wrong, I think Jussie Smollett is a lier, con artist, instigator, and above all, a massive idiot, and it's disappointing to see Jurnee defend him. But I also don't understand what that could possibly have to do with this show or its creative choices. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of how this kind of stuff comes together, and a delusional conclusion at that. Just more F16 ridiculousness, but that's par for the course at this point.

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Yeah, I'm out. I don't begrudge anyone for being into this, but it isn't for me. I'm just not a fan of the supernatural, goofy-but-dark-and-gory tone or the episodic nature. It really is Goosebumps meets, like, my least favorite episodes of The X-Files or something.

In this episode specifically, even if on the cheap because of the tragedy, why did Letitia buy a house in the middle of a white, clearly anti-black neighborhood? And then throw a massive party? Other than for the racial tension/drama the episode clearly needed, the logic/motivation made no sense to me. It all just felt so forced in that regard.

Also, what was the point of the whole "DAY 1" etc thing? It never led to anything, and seems like something *any* episode of any show could do, for no reason whatsoever.

Overall, I just don't understand the point of all of this. The characters have no overarching goals or aspirations. I don't know what they're after, and their dynamics aren't really all that engaging. It's just a bunch of random supernatural horror stories strung together by some so-so, somewhat passive characters, with no real narrative thrust. Which, again, is fine. I get how the episodic, horror-story-of-the-week angle can be fun, it's just not my thing.

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When you understand its only goal is to fuel a narrative of racism in America, its reason for existence becomes clear. It doesn't have to be good, HBO doesn't have to spend any money or thought, it just has to have a focus on racism. Thats why it was optioned and that's why it is airing during our current climate.

It may seem difficult to believe but it really does make sense as to why it was crafted in the first place. Yes yes, f16 craziness, but honestly, can you find a better reason?

Personally, I see it as a show made by race baiters, written by race baiters and starring an actor in a race baiting family.

- I've talked to Misha Green, the showrunner, on two separate occasions. Once at a bar, during a writer get-together, and once in a more formal capacity, as we were considering her as a showrunner on a series I'm producing.

- I'm currently working with the director of this coming week's episode, Vic Mahoney.

- I've been to a party with Jurnee Smollett, who could not have been nicer to me.

- JJ Abrams, a Jewish white man, is a producer on this show, as is Jordan Peele, who, again, is married to a white woman, whom he has a child with.

- HBO is run by a white man named Casey Bloys, who prides himself on giving voice to a diverse slate of creatives.

In other words, I can tell you, literally from first hand experience in many of these instances, that none of these people are remotely racist, none of them have an agenda to "fuel a narrative of racism in America," and all of them happily and willingly work with white people such as myself day in and day out. The only things they are guilty of are wanting their voices heard, and using these projects as a means of catharsis, for themselves, and for the back community as a whole.

If anyone has an agenda here, it's you, as you not only come across as somewhat insane - for continually choosing to comment on a show you haven't yet seen and clearly never will - but hell bent on peddling your deranged narrative no matter what the reality is, or what evidence is presented to the contrary.

And not to state the obvious, but this show also wasn't made in the last six months. It got optioned in 2017.

Exactly. Based on a book that was released before Trump was even president.

TCTTS said:

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- I've talked to Misha Green, the showrunner, on two separate occasions. Once at a bar, during a writer get-together, and once in a more formal capacity, as we were considering her as a showrunner on a series I'm producing.

- I'm currently working with the director of this coming week's episode, Vic Mahoney.

- I've been to a party with Jurnee Smollett, who could not have been nicer to me.

- JJ Abrams, a Jewish white man, is a producer on this show, as is Jordan Peele, who, again, is married to a white woman, whom he has a child with.

- HBO is run by a white man named Casey Bloys, who prides himself on giving voice to a diverse slate of creatives.

In other words, I can tell you, literally from first hand experience in many of these instances, that none of these people are remotely racist, none of them have an agenda to "fuel a narrative of racism in America," and all of them happily and willingly work with white people such as myself day in and day out. The only things they are guilty of are wanting their voices heard, and using these projects as a means of catharsis, for themselves, and for the back community as a whole.

If anyone has an agenda here, it's you, as you not only come across as somewhat insane - for continually choosing to comment on a show you haven't yet seen and clearly never will - but hell bent on peddling your deranged narrative no matter what the reality is, or what evidence is presented to the contrary.

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A book written by a white man to help pile on

I have only started reading this tonight, about 30-40 pages in but on my kindle there are already some incredibly insightful things about being black during Jim Crow that are highlighted by many others. Things once again written by a white man.