It is. Thrive and Plexus are the 2 worst. Health/energy/diet supplements and more. A bunch of crap.

I haven't watched it yet but I did see a dateline or 48 hours report on it earlier this year. It's really unfathomable the evil this man did. And I too think a divorce would've been much better. In the outward realms of hatred I can maybe understand spouses killing each other but I cannot understand anyone that could kill their own children.

I had to turn it off about 20 mins in because it was making me sick to my stomach. I've never done something like that. Well made, yadda yadda. Just too much. No desire to ever pick it back up, and I actually don't think anyone should watch it. Just ****ing gross and upsetting.

After reading this thread, I am going to skip. I have young kids and just reading y'all's posts are tough.

I may have found a unicorn. 21 years of marriage for us which I would say has been easy. However, I would say that parenting has not. And in general for people, the cracks that do exist in a marriage are certainly stressed and for some broken apart by the stress of parenting. The thought of a couple deciding to have a kid (or another kid) while there are issues in the marriage with the thought it may bring them together has always been insane to me

DannyDuberstein said:

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I may have found a unicorn. 21 years of marriage for us which I would say has been easy. However, I would say that parenting has not. And in general for people, the cracks that do exist in a marriage are certainly stressed and for some broken apart by the stress of parenting. The thought of a couple deciding to have a kid (or another kid) while there are issues in the marriage with the thought it may bring them together has always been insane to me

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i'm not 21 years in, but i'd echo this. Marriage is easy. Parenting, not so much.

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West Point Aggie said:

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Marriage sounds really hard...this isn't sarcasm, or a joke...as a single person like to be single always, it seems like such a complicated endeavor.

Too old here for it to matter, but best wishes to you young couples out there!

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Find the right partner and it isn't. Not to excuse this guy at all, but this gal did seem self-admittedly very controlling with a lot of expectations on how everything should be done. And many of her texts involve her confiding in friends about their problems - including intimate stuff, which IMO is just not healthy. Some folks need to vent, but when you are venting on marriage details and ****-talking your spouse to others behind their back, I think you are on fast-track to that marriage ending. Again, absolutely zero excuse to do what he did. Abhorrent and psychotic. Get a damned divorce, don't become a psychopathic killer.

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The number one thing I learned in the marriage prep we took at our church was to never play the "assassinate the spouse" game. IE: Don't criticize your spouse in public settings, in front of friends, etc. and make them look foolish. Don't fight in public. Its not the same as a private conv. with a close friend (IE we all complain about our spouse to someone once in awhile), but never do that in public, esp in front of friends/family you'll see time and time again. The friends/family all REMEMBER!

I recently spoke to my brother who has been married now for 30 years. To me his marriage seems so ideal (you know from the outside looking in). They have no kids, vacation together...do everything together in fact (I've always called them a cutie couple). When I confided in him how difficult it's been for me to even get into a long-term relationship that lasts he simply blurted out you're probably better off single.

This confused me a bit because I've always viewed his marriage as "so on point" at least from an outsiders point of view. He went on to talk about all the marriage counseling and super difficult times that were clearly kept appropriately away from public and family scrutiny.

It was a pretty wow moment for me.

I've wondered why I've always been so bad at the LTR thing and frankly often considered myself an "incomplete" adult. I look around and see relationships happen, and think "why can't I do that?" In my old neighborhood in NY, I got to know neighbor couples only to find they were married but living separately; only together out of financial necessity or the kids. Many would say in passing "oh you're so lucky...you can do and come and go as you want!" I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.

Perhaps being gay adds further complication, and gay men are frankly more confusing than women, but that's for another discussion!

This doc hit me hard...disturbing and thought-provoking in so many levels.

The dead wife's friend is a good woman, she had her friend's back in life and death. She is as solid a friend as someone could hope to have.

The best part is watching him stress when the neighbor is showing him and tbe cop the doorbell cam video for the first time. You could tell he thought he would.be seen carrying the body out right there.

The social media frenzy this kicked off was one of the more disturbing aspects of this very sad case. People blaming the woman and saying she drove him.

They may have had personal and couples issues but come on...

Just watched it. Absolutely sickening. That guy seemed pretty damn normal. How could you get to that point?

Her social media sharing was unreal.

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Really sad situation.

The wife was likely not easy to be married to as she came across as pretty controlling (even with the girls) and seemed to be seeking excessive attention on social media, but his behavior seemed to drive a lot of the angst she was feeling. Her issues didn't give him an excuse to do what he did. File for divorce, go be with your ho for a while (until she leaves you for someone else) and get on with it.

Would not be shocked if the mistress had something to do with the killings. He mentioned something at the end of the police interview about "protecting her." "Her" may have been referring to his wife, whom he was claiming at the time was the real killer of the girls. But later, he admitted he did it and gave details. "Protecting her" may have been a slip of the tongue in a stressful situation, referring to his mistress. (IMO).

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I wouldn't be surprised if she had something to do with it, but I also feel like she wouldn't have come forward and told the police about the affair if she did. If I'm not mistaken she voluntarily came forward and the police didn't know about his affair until she did.

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I haven't watched it yet but I did see a dateline or 48 hours report on it earlier this year. It's really unfathomable the evil this man did. And I too think a divorce would've been much better. In the outward realms of hatred I can maybe understand spouses killing each other but I cannot understand anyone that could kill their own children.

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Better than killing his wife and two daughters and spending the rest of his life in prison? Yeah, probably so.