So apparently the Oscars forgot Jessica Walters in their "In Memorium" segment.

There was zero chance a post like this wasn't from a frequenter of 16chan. Sure enough, my suspicions were confirmed after just a couple of clicks. It takes a truly deranged mind to gleefully revel in the decline of the celebration of movies, or see the decline in Oscar viewership as some kind of "win" for the right. When, what you're really celebrating is a situation in which hundreds of thousands of fellow Americans lost their jobs - as theater workers, blue-collar, below-the-line crew, etc - resulting in an unprecedented lack of product last year, which resulted in a monumental decline of interest in an awards show attempting to celebrate what little product could be scrounged together.

Just know that the people you hate make up a tiny percentage of what you consider "liberal Hollywood," and that the need to come here to post sh*t like this could not be any more pathetic.

But, you know, gotta collect those liberal tears!

Also, I didn't realize we were calling F16 "16chan" now.

Proud member of 16chan I guess. Lol.

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There was zero chance a post like this wasn't from a frequenter of 16chan. Sure enough, my suspicions were confirmed after just a couple of clicks. It takes a truly deranged mind to gleefully revel in the decline of the celebration of movies, or see the decline in Oscar viewership as some kind of "win" for the right. When, what you're really celebrating is a situation in which hundreds of thousands of fellow Americans lost their jobs - as theater workers, blue-collar, below-the-line crew, etc - resulting in an unprecedented lack of product last year, which resulted in a monumental decline of interest in an awards show attempting to celebrate what little product could be scrounged together.

Just know that the people you hate make up a tiny percentage of what you consider "liberal Hollywood," and that the need to come here to post sh*t like this could not be any more pathetic.

But, you know, gotta collect those liberal tears!

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Or maybe, you know, they just sucked this year and no one cared?

You seem way too obsessed with a certain board.

That's my exact point. Hardly any movies = not a lot of great product = no one gave a sh*t. I'm not disputing that in any way.

Funny, though, how you called out *my* obsession, when I'm not the one popping up on another board, essentially gloating about the collapse of an industry I obsessively hate.

This is my profession. I know a ton of people who lost their jobs. When assh*les show up in threads to essentially mock that, and have a history of yammering on and on about how terrible the "dims" and the "libs" are, I take it personally.

Just fyi, the poster you were replying to has posted on a lot of boards including this one over the years. There are probably a few psychos who are explicitly f16 posters, but it's not everyone who posts on that board. Even you and I have had some exchanges over there, I believe. I've seen you start threads for reactions there. There aren't territorially boundaries between different Texags boards. Other than the townie board, which should have one.

The Oscar's themselves were a snooze fest. I wonder if I'm
getting old and out of touch with pop culture, or they're just more boring now? That little Korean lady was fantastic, and the guy who thanked his mom and dad for having sex was pretty entertaining. Otherwise, I was just bored.

After it was over I tried to watch Nomadland. It was unwatchably bad. I can definitely see how it hit the 'authentic' notes that got people to vote for it, but sometimes authentic is not at all interesting. It was like a series of interviews with my parents' kooky friends who think they've discovered something truly meaningful in some sort of advertising jingle and need to impress that meaning on me.

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This has nothing to do with getting lectured on politics by a bunch of self serving hypocrites eager to insult their perception of "redneck" culture.

/Entertainment board drama queen

Whatever his motives, the data is real. The industry should try to fix the death spiral instead of crying about insults. All those Trump supporters just gave Hollywood a gigantic middle finger. They are reaping the rewards from the constant activism and insults against people that have different values.

Besides, the impact of Covid on small businesses in this country is orders of magnitude higher than the entertainment industry. Just some perspective.

In what ways am I disputing any of that?

Of course Covid's effects are magnitudes higher than what it did to the entertainment industry. That doesn't mean I can't call out someone for being an ass about the havoc it wreaked this past year, on a board devoted specifically to the industry affected.

Nor am I saying the data isn't real. A ton of people have clearly and increasingly stopped watching the Oscars for a *variety* of reasons. But in the same way no one is forcing you or anyone else to watch this stuff, no one is forcing you guys to come here and b*tch about it either. Do whatever you want, attempt to cancel whatever culture you want. That's not my issue. I will simply never understand the incessant need for certain posters to come here to rub their hatred of Hollywood in our faces. If for no other reason than no one here is celebrating liberal Hollywood culture. That's not at all what this place is about. We're simply trying to enjoy discussions about movies, TV, music, etc, and commiserate at times when those things fail to meet our expectations. That's it and that's all.

Yet every f/cking day there's some drive-by here by a number of deranged individuals who live and breathe politics, can see the world through no other prism, and feel the need remind us time and time and time again how much liberal Hollywood sucks. I don't give a sh*t if a person holds that opinion. It's just utterly baffling to me that people choose to spend their time expressing it here.

I agree that the costs of the viewer drop off doesn't fall on those who attend the Oscars, but on much less known, everyday people. And that's a shame and is nothing to celebrate.

But IMO, it was Hollywood who first entered the culture wars. In Rambo-speak, they drew first blood. For years, the Hollywood elite have looked down their noses at their supposed audience and lectured them. It is human nature that those who were looked down on, if not outright called names, are now taking joy in their downfall.

In addition to castigating people here on behalf of blue collar entertainment industry employees, are you also giving the same lecture to Hollywood? I presume you are on message boards, text chains, etc with Hollywood-types. Are you taking every chance you get to point out the real world impact of their poses on the rest of the industry? Seems like that is where you should direct your energy, as it might actually make a difference.

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There was zero chance a post like this wasn't from a frequenter of 16chan. Sure enough, my suspicions were confirmed after just a couple of clicks. It takes a truly deranged mind to gleefully revel in the decline of the celebration of movies, or see the decline in Oscar viewership as some kind of "win" for the right. When, what you're really celebrating is a situation in which hundreds of thousands of fellow Americans lost their jobs - as theater workers, blue-collar, below-the-line crew, etc - resulting in an unprecedented lack of product last year, which resulted in a monumental decline of interest in an awards show attempting to celebrate what little product could be scrounged together.

Just know that the people you hate make up a tiny percentage of what you consider "liberal Hollywood," and that the need to come here to post sh*t like this could not be any more pathetic.

But, you know, gotta collect those liberal tears!

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You read an awful lot into a post about the ratings of the Oscars.

I don't know that poster and don't care but I can respond for myself that I enjoy the downward spiral of the Oscars without hoping for the demise of the movies behind it.

To paraphrase Allen Iverson "We talkin about an award show man....an awards show......not making movies..... but an award show."

He didn't post about the tanking box office numbers (due to COVID) which would be more along the lines of what you perceived, just the ratings for the Oscars. And not just for this year but the trend.

You talk about the small percentage that conservatives hate on, well those are the same percentage that CHOSE to use the Oscars as a political platform to belittle and ostracize people with other political views, Effectively alienating half of their audience. Movies like sports are escapism - nobody goes to them hoping to be lectured nor their award shows.

I didn't notice people staying away from the movies from 2014-2019 as the box office continued to grow or at least maintain.... but the Oscars tanked in that same period even before COIVD.

DIRECT correlation and it makes some of us happy because that's about the only way we could express our displeasure - what other recourse do we have then ratings? And as a result you see less and less political talk these days in acceptance speeches (even in 2020 an election year) or they are being curtailed.

Yeah, I think this is a fundamental point. For example, I love Leo in every movie that he's ever been in, besides Gilbert Grape. I would hate to see him stop acting.

But I don't love him sailing in from his private island on his private yacht, and then flying on his private jet to an awards show where he spends his speech preaching to us on reducing our carbon foot print. Besides the ultimate hypocrisy of it, it's not why I'm there to see him. And after years of people warning Hollywood that they have been estranging viewers from these programs due to zealotry, and Hollywood just laughing back that the poor idiots can't give them up, I think people are confusing the vindication from the people who are tired of it with hatred.

Not that there isn't actual hatred towards them for these exact reasons, but those people are just as big of zealots as the Hollywood types.


If the streaming era has made anything clear in my mind, movies and tv are not going away. But I think it's slowly becoming like photography and painting, and even music. It's getting easier and easier to purchase the equipment and editing software and make something that looks semi-professional, so while we may be getting more content than ever, the percentage of people who are really making money off of it is dwindling.

A drop in numbers that significantly being due to "trump supporters" not watching is giving trump supporters too much credit. I love movies and I normally love watching the Oscars but I just had zero interest in watching the Oscars this year. No its not due to the "politics." I have tried watching some of the other award shows that have aired in a post-covid world and it just feels off. Then you take that and add in the fact that studios held back many movies this past year lead to a crop of nominations that just didn't pass the sniff test of films that would normally be nominated. Granted there has been a trend for awhile where the divide between award films and box office hit films has been growing more and more. Popular culture and the oscars are drifting apart. As previously mentioned, all media is being fragmented more and more so there is more content at our fingertips than ever before but it also means that it is harder for an award show to connect to an audience that probably haven't seen 75% of the films being nominated.

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But I don't love him sailing in from his private island on his private yacht, and then flying on his private jet to an awards show where he spends his speech preaching to us on reducing our carbon foot print.

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He doesn't own a private yacht (he has chartered them though), and his private island was purchased with the intent to build a sustainable eco-resort.

Obviously he could cut way down on the private jets, but he also participates in an organization which estimates his carbon footprint and plants forests to offset the emissions.

And I believe he rides bikes and mostly drives a Prius.

I know it's impossible to quantify, but it's hard to argue he hasn't done more good than harm for that particular cause. Your criticisms are fair but they don't tell the full story imo.

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Not really sure how you "decide" this though. We've had years where a Titanic or a Lord of the Rings takes all the awards, and others where a movie like Parasite wins.

Doesn't it kind of just depend on the year?

If they served booze and had Ricky Gervais hosting every year, it instantly gets me more excited for it, for sure.

I look forward to the Golden Globes for this very reason. Highly entertaining. The man pulls no punches and goes after everyone.

I still don't quite understand why stunts are not awarded.

If you throw in a Best Stunts category, you instantly get another batch of blockbusters than people will be interested in watching. You'll get your superhero movies, action movies, etc.

Oh, btw, the director of Nomadland became the first Asian woman director to win.