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In reply to israeliag • 10:34a, 4/27/21
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Agree with most of these to varying degrees. Clips are a must, I never even thought someone would eliminate that before this year.

I liked that there was no band to play off people mid-speech this year. In general the feel was great this year: the not cutting off midspeech, the venue change, the art style, having the attendees sit around tables instead of theatre seats, were all positive.

I'm not sure about cutting down on the awards, some of the luster is showing how expansive the film world is, but you do have to find somewhere to trim down length, especially if you're not playing people off mid speech. Getting rid of the pre-nomination monologues would help.

Could they start it sooner so it doesn't go so late?

Also, get everyone drunk. Let them have drinks at their tables/seats.


This is essentially the Golden Globes and why it was a better watch as a consumer for several years. I haven't watched any awards show as of late. Not so much out of protest, but more so that I forget it's on and I simply don't watch live tv anymore.

I'm so out of the habit of watching anything live other than A&M football it's as if live tv doesn't even exist anymore.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 10:38a, 4/27/21
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I still don't quite understand why stunts are not awarded.

If you throw in a Best Stunts category, you instantly get another batch of blockbusters than people will be interested in watching. You'll get your superhero movies, action movies, etc.
The Academy thinks that it would lead to more and more dangerous stunts to try and win awards. I get why they don't have a stunt category, but the competition already happens just for bragging rights.
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In reply to Quad Dog • 10:42a, 4/27/21
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Have they MET Tom Cruise?
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 11:06a, 4/27/21
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Oh, btw, the director of Nomadland became the first Asian woman director to win.


Who gives a ***** Call me when the first Asian trans-woman director wins.
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11:41a, 4/27/21
A view from Australia on why ratings are down. They make a simple point, no one was emotionally invested this year because few had seen any of the movies.

https://www.theage.com.au/culture/movies/why-has-the-world-stopped-watching-the-academy-awards-20210427-p57mu2.html


And to that many women tune in for the glamor of it for which this was not a usual academy awards, the format turning people off, and to some degree the political angle of it. But more than that, I think the show cost itself credibility with the films they have chosen recently for best picture. They have gotten away from movies the majority of the country would want to rush out and see, for various reasons. So even beyond the point above about this year and the lack of knowledge on the films, how many people had a vested interest in seeing Moonlight win for example? Even after it won few went and saw it, don't think it ever cleared 70 million at the box office world wide. So when Hollywood starts to have a different view of what's good than the public, the public tunes out.
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I've never been less vested in an Oscars ceremony than this one. In all honesty I don't even get why they had the ceremony. All the studios are holding onto films they think are going to make money at the theaters once they reopen so it's not an even playing field. Lots of nominated films I didn't see this year, with such a long time I've been stuck at my house I've allocated way more time to rewatching films and tv from my past to cope with being stuck, it's honestly tough to get excited to stream something new, I didn't do much of it over the last year.

As far as politics go, I just don't care, it's an award show about acting and movies, most of which are going to lean left politically. I don't care about their opinions anymore than I care about what is told to me from any other media outlet, it doesn't take away from my ability to divorce their political beliefs from their performances. I can't be further politically from some of them, but that doesn't make me any less appreciative of their work, because I love movies.

If nothing else I think this ceremony helped illustrate how apathetic the public is for movies this year, we all want an excuse to go back to the movies. I feel like the first time a movie is released in theaters only, and is successful, we'll know the corner is being turned.

As much as the Academy probably loathes films like Infinity War and Endgame, that's the kind of film Hollywood needs to get people back into theaters. It's not going to be something niche, they need the broadest possible blockbuster that appeals to the most people and they can only digest it in a theater, that's it. Ironically it could be something like The Eternals from Cloe Zhao, who went to the MCU after doing Nomadland.

What would have been fun is if they used this opportunity to relitigate previous Oscars where they made huge mistakes, be it in an acting category, or directing, or best picture, and right some wrongs of the past. They do this often on The Big Picture podcast, which I enjoy. So instead of Fincher losing for Mank, he gets vindicated for The Social Network. You want to throw a curveball and get people interested...that's a curveball.
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2:33p, 4/27/21
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In addition to the obvious of simply making/selecting better, more audience-friendly fare, my fixes would be...

- 10 Best Picture nominees every year. They're finally starting this next year, as opposed to the current/weird voting algorithm that produces a different number each year, which can be anywhere from eight to ten films. Ten films always, from here on out.

- Move the short film categories to another night/ceremony. I'm sorry, but no one watches these, no one even knows where to find them, and IMO, they shouldn't be awarded on the same night as the feature-length films.

- A host is a must. And lock one down one for, say, a five-year stint. Whatever it costs. The no-host route is a soulless, proven sh*t-show. The guessing game every year, along with the inevitable disappointment in who they've chosen to host, needs to go. The show needs consistency, at least for a while.

- Better-market the ceremony as an actual competition. For instance, this year commercials should have asked the question, "Can Frances McDormand win a record-breaking third Best Actress?" Stuff like that. Play up the veteran vs new-comer angle in a category. Play off the voter front-runner for Best Picture ("Can anyone beat [Front Runner Movie X]?" CREATE investment by capitalizing on the inherent competitive nature of the ceremony. I want to hear stats. I want to hear odds. Break this thing down with some interesting analytics.

- In the same vein, endorse gambling on the categories. I know the legality of gambling is a state-by-state thing, but pretty soon sports gambling will be legal nearly country-wide. And if the NFL is already officially backing the likes of DraftKings and FanDuel, the Academy can do the same. Make it FUN. Enough of this is "sacred art" crap. When you're pumping out mindless reboots and sequels, and every weekend is a very public box office face-off, you don't get to also crow about the sanctity of "art."

- Finally, the biggest change would have little to do with the ceremony itself, but the Oscars shouldn't be *just* a celebration of the past year's films - it should be a marketing event for films to come. Every other commercial break or so should premiere a thirty-second teaser for some big summer movie or Oscar movie the following cycle. Like Speilberg's West Side Story did this year, except there should be, say, twelve movies doing that exact same thing. Make this thing a trailer-fest, have the respective studios market it as such ("See the first trailer for [Big Summer Movie X] during the Oscars!" and you're guaranteed to increase viewership substantially.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 2:41p, 4/27/21
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But I don't love him sailing in from his private island on his private yacht, and then flying on his private jet to an awards show where he spends his speech preaching to us on reducing our carbon foot print.
He doesn't own a private yacht (he has chartered them though), and his private island was purchased with the intent to build a sustainable eco-resort.

Obviously he could cut way down on the private jets, but he also participates in an organization which estimates his carbon footprint and plants forests to offset the emissions.

And I believe he rides bikes and mostly drives a Prius.

I know it's impossible to quantify, but it's hard to argue he hasn't done more good than harm for that particular cause. Your criticisms are fair but they don't tell the full story imo.
Spare me. He emits 22 times more than the average person.

"but he rents the yachts". Do you even care how stupid this sounds?

Quit taking up for hypocrites of the highest order. I don't care about Leo's lavish lifestyle. I do care about him looking down his nose on ordinary Americans while he sails and flys the world over. GMAFB.
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:26p, 4/27/21
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- A host is a must. And lock one down one for, say, a five-year stint. Whatever it costs. The no-host route is a soulless, proven sh*t-show. The guessing game every year, along with the inevitable disappointment in who they've chosen to host, needs to go. The show needs consistency, at least for a while.

A good host is so important and there aren't a lot that can do it. You have to be a comedian, but not one too vulgar or over the top. You can't be too old. You have to look good in a tux. Having a sense of personal hygiene rules out a large number of comedians. You have to be genial and happy to be there, but not Anne Hathaway intense about it. (Obviously you have to give a @$#%, James Franco.) And I think most importantly you can't be competition for the acting categories and know it. That's what made Bob Hope classic. His line about the Oscars being known as Passover in his house was a classic.

I think Aziz Ansari would be a good fit. And I'm not a huge fan, but it's just such a hard skill set to find. You would have to give him a contract for a coupe shows because no matter what there is going to be internet flak. You just can't listen to it. It's been long enough since his weird Me-Too thing that didn't seem it should have been a thing.
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:38p, 4/27/21
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- Finally, the biggest change would have little to do with the ceremony itself, but the Oscars shouldn't be *just* a celebration of the past year's films - it should be a marketing event for films to come. Every other commercial break or so should premiere a thirty-second teaser for some big summer movie or Oscar movie the following cycle. Like Speilberg's West Side Story did this year, except there should be, say, twelve movies doing that exact same thing. Make this thing a trailer-fest, have the respective studios market it as such ("See the first trailer for [Big Summer Movie X] during the Oscars!" and you're guaranteed to increase viewership substantially.
This is the biggest one, to me. The VGAs pull in increasingly huge numbers of viewers each year. Most people don't care about the awards themselves, but because new games are frequently announced, or new trailers shown, people have a vested interest in tuning in.
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In reply to FarmerJohn • 3:41p, 4/27/21
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After the opening I don't think I've ever cared about a host again in the past. Have someone open the show, then disappear.
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In reply to FarmerJohn • 3:42p, 4/27/21
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In agreement with all of that.

Aziz would be great. He has a real appreciation for film, too.

I know a contingent of the right is triggered by him, but I love Kimmel too, and think he does a tremendous job hosting these things. He has a great demeanor/approach, IMO.

Ultimately, though, I think you'd want someone with just a bit more sincere showmanship, though that's admittedly harder to come by in addition to everything you mentioned.
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Spare me. He emits 22 times more than the average person.
And he's done probably 100x more than the average person for that cause.

Nevermind the fact that he never calls out the average American, rather the big corporations and the politicians.
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:56p, 4/27/21
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- Move the short film categories to another night/ceremony. I'm sorry, but no one watches these, no one even knows where to find them, and IMO, they shouldn't be awarded on the same night as the feature-length films.


I normally would agree with you, but did you watch Two Distant Strangers??? The 16channers will have their dicks invert into their bodies from it, but what an incredible piece of film.

It also got me wondering why wouldn't Netflix invest in more short films? Seems like a terrific return on their investment: shorter runtime is a bit cheaper, captivates peoples attention easier, and just an easy to consume product that's perfect for a medium that has no imposed restrictions on it.

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- A host is a must. And lock one down one for, say, a five-year stint. Whatever it costs. The no-host route is a soulless, proven sh*t-show. The guessing game every year, along with the inevitable disappointment in who they've chosen to host, needs to go. The show needs consistency, at least for a while.


A long term get is a good idea.

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- Better-market the ceremony as an actual competition. For instance, this year commercials should have asked the question, "Can Frances McDormand win a record-breaking third Best Actress?" Stuff like that. Play up the veteran vs new-comer angle in a category. Play off the voter front-runner for Best Picture ("Can anyone beat [Front Runner Movie X]?" CREATE investment by capitalizing on the inherent competitive nature of the ceremony. I want to hear stats. I want to hear odds. Break this thing down with some interesting analytics.

- In the same vein, endorse gambling on the categories. I know the legality of gambling is a state-by-state thing, but pretty soon sports gambling will be legal nearly country-wide. And if the NFL is already officially backing the likes of DraftKings and FanDuel, the Academy can do the same. Make it FUN. Enough of this is "sacred art" crap. When you're pumping out mindless reboots and sequels, and every weekend is a very public box office face-off, you don't get to also crow about the sanctity of "art."


So get College Gameday to do the pre-show. Gotcha.

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- Finally, the biggest change would have little to do with the ceremony itself, but the Oscars shouldn't be *just* a celebration of the past year's films - it should be a marketing event for films to come. Every other commercial break or so should premiere a thirty-second teaser for some big summer movie or Oscar movie the following cycle. Like Speilberg's West Side Story did this year, except there should be, say, twelve movies doing that exact same thing. Make this thing a trailer-fest, have the respective studios market it as such ("See the first trailer for [Big Summer Movie X] during the Oscars!" and you're guaranteed to increase viewership substantially.


Good idea. Could you attach it at the end of the industry convention? I.E. think of how amazing it'd be as the cap to ComicCon at its peak? Or, if it was the last night of Cannes? You get these three or so days of build up, including some exclusive looks at trailers, all the cast and crew are around for press and large auditorium discussions, and then the show itself publishes the trailers to the masses on TV.
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4:01p, 4/27/21
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Totally agree on the trailer aspect.

IMO, film studios should move all of their marketing from the Super Bowl to the Oscars. Probably not in their best interest in the short-term, so I know it's unlikely to happen.

But once people start getting used to looking forward to Oscars weekend as the weekend when big trailers will drop, it'll reflect in the ratings.
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Oh, and I would SO start betting on Oscars.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 4:10p, 4/27/21
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Totally agree on the trailer aspect.

IMO, film studios should move all of their marketing from the Super Bowl to the Oscars. Probably not in their best interest in the short-term, so I know it's unlikely to happen.

But once people start getting used to looking forward to Oscars weekend as the weekend when big trailers will drop, it'll reflect in the ratings.
I don't really think it will. I bet most people are more than happy to wait for all the trailers to hit the internet and not suffer through 3+ hours of oscar content.

The reason the super bowl is so popular is people are going to be tuned in anyway.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 4:58p, 4/27/21
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Spare me. He emits 22 times more than the average person.
And he's done probably 100x more than the average person for that cause.

Nevermind the fact that he never calls out the average American, rather the big corporations and the politicians.


Living like a super rich trust fund baby and then hiring peons to plant trees to offset your massive carbon damage isn't doing "more than the average person for that cause," good lord. Might as well say that a random fraternity does more to improve global cleanliness than most groups because it always hires Molly Maids to clean up the eco disasters it creates with its keggers.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 5:15p, 4/27/21
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Totally agree on the trailer aspect.

IMO, film studios should move all of their marketing from the Super Bowl to the Oscars. Probably not in their best interest in the short-term, so I know it's unlikely to happen.

But once people start getting used to looking forward to Oscars weekend as the weekend when big trailers will drop, it'll reflect in the ratings.

That isn't really the Oscars call I'm sure they would love to drop big trailers but.... the studios want those Super Bowl eyes. They aren't going to wait for the Oscars especially now with ratings so low.

Unless you think you can get the studios to do something for the betterment of the industry as a whole and agree to move there en masse.


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A number of studios dropped out of the Super Bowl years ago and haven't returned. Universal and Disney are basically the only consistent ad buyers. I'm sure all the others would gladly pay for an Oscars spot at a fraction of the cost.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
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Spare me. He emits 22 times more than the average person.
And he's done probably 100x more than the average person for that cause.

Nevermind the fact that he never calls out the average American, rather the big corporations and the politicians.


Living like a super rich trust fund baby and then hiring peons to plant trees to offset your massive carbon damage isn't doing more than the average person for that cause, good lord. Might as well say that a random fraternity does more to improve global cleanliness than most groups because it always hires Molly Maids to clean up the eco disasters it creates with its keggers.
I, for one, am jealous of the man. The oldest woman he ever dated was 25 years old. He's 47 this year and dating a 23 year old model right now. (this might be wrong on her age but come on... )

I can't help but think of the Golden Globe Gervais joke he dropped that the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood movie was so long that at the end of it, Leo had to break up with his current girlfriend as she was too old.


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A number of studios dropped out of the Super Bowl years ago and haven't returned. Universal and Disney are basically the only consistent ad buyers. I'm sure all the others would gladly pay for an Oscars spot at a fraction of the cost.

Well they could now nothing stopping them. Except ratings.
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In reply to PDEMDHC • 7:03p, 4/27/21
No doubt he is living a pretty damn fun life, and there isn't a straight guy on here who wouldn't trade his life for Leo's (at least for a year or two if you're convinced that your personal relationships are THAT wonderful haha).

Personally, I like a lot of his movies, think he comes across as reasonably friendly, and don't begrudge him his success. But got dang, he has to be one of the biggest hypocrites on planet earth. It'd be like Antonio Cromartie thinking he could lecture everybody on monogamy and safe sex because he handed out a few hundred thousand condoms.

EDIT: Cromartie is a grad assistant at A&M? What the heck??
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I really think the Oscars jumped the shark long ago and need a Running Man-esque over-the-top production to save it. Imagine if you will the current year nominees being shot through a hypertube into the LA wasteland.



They are forced to compete with each other and promised riches beyond their wildest dreams just like past winners.



Oddsmakers put all the Oscar hopefuls on huge boards in the LA ghettos, and the working class schmoes, baristas and wannabes bet on them.



The night of the Oscars, the perfect host pumps the crowd up amidst much fanfare.





It's time. The runners, errrrr the nominees are ready to battle. But first, a ride through subterranean LA.





The nominees battle previous Oscar heavyweights









Along the way, current Oscar hopefuls discover what a sham the entire business is.



In the end, the old Hollywood guard is quashed and new winners emerge.



That is how I see the only path forward for the Oscars.
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A for effort, that's for sure. How long did you spend on that post? And not one edit!
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Well dang it now I just want to go watch Running Man!
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 3:49p, 4/28/21
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Spare me. He emits 22 times more than the average person.
And he's done probably 100x more than the average person for that cause.

Nevermind the fact that he never calls out the average American, rather the big corporations and the politicians.
He's done a lot? So what.

Have you audited his carbon footprint? Why are people so eager to ignore Hollywood hypocrisy when they tell you what you want to hear? LEO IS A BIG CORPORATION. Like all big corporations, he's got his "sustainability" pitch. You know who else does a lot? United Airlines.

Naive beyond belief.
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No doubt he is living a pretty damn fun life, and there isn't a straight guy on here who wouldn't trade his life for Leo's (at least for a year or two if you're convinced that your personal relationships are THAT wonderful haha).

Personally, I like a lot of his movies, think he comes across as reasonably friendly, and don't begrudge him his success. But got dang, he has to be one of the biggest hypocrites on planet earth. It'd be like Antonio Cromartie thinking he could lecture everybody on monogamy and safe sex because he handed out a few hundred thousand condoms.

EDIT: Cromartie is a grad assistant at A&M? What the heck??
He's also directly involved in one of the biggest grifter heists in history (1MDB) along with Goldman Sachs.
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Man, I still need to get that book.
Before too long they will make a movie about it and maybe Leo will star as himself.
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Almost watched nomad land...but read a quick summary and it sounded dull.

When I was a kid some things were must see

Academy Awards
Indy 500 on prime time
Charlie Brown Thanksgiving
Santa Claus is coming to town
Ten Commandments

Haven't seen the Oscars in decades.
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GoAgs92 said:
Almost watched nomad land...but read a quick summary and it sounded dull.

When I was a kid some things were must see

Academy Awards
Indy 500 on prime time
Charlie Brown Thanksgiving
Santa Claus is coming to town
Ten Commandments

Haven't seen the Oscars in decades.

To be fair i haven't seen the others for longer than I have not seen The Oscars (2 years). And I used to watch them all also.

I also used to watch Wide World of Sports because it was the only damn thing on Saturday afternoons outside of football season. Doesn't mean I need to watch it any more. In the morning I watched cartoons and Soul Train or American Bandstand. I miss the cartoons.....
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GoAgs92 said:
Almost watched nomad land...but read a quick summary and it sounded dull.

When I was a kid some things were must see

Academy Awards
Indy 500 on prime time
Charlie Brown Thanksgiving
Santa Claus is coming to town
Ten Commandments

Haven't seen the Oscars in decades.

To be fair i haven't seen the others for longer than I have not seen The Oscars (2 years). And I used to watch them all also.

I also used to watch Wide World of Sports because it was the only damn thing on Saturday afternoons outside of football season. Doesn't mean I need to watch it any more. In the morning I watched cartoons and Soul Train or American Bandstand. I miss the cartoons.....
Amen to that...when WWOS had the globetrotters or European skeleton on that track where races would fly off the track...that's a good Saturday.
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