Saw it in XD in a sold out (social distancing involved) theater. My opinion as been pretty much consistant with the previous posters. Visually, it's amazing. The Hong Kong fight scene alone was worth the price of admission. However, it was hard to not eye roll at some of the writing. It almost took away from the stunning fight scenes. Overall, being it's the first theatrical experience me and the family have had since Sonic the Hedgehog, I had fun. On a side note, the previews they showed really got me excited for 2021.
***** Godzilla vs Kong (SPOILERS THREAD) - you have been warned *****
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I haven't been to a movie theater in a long time but you guys are making me want to go watch this just because it sounds like it's as much fun to make fun of as it is to watch the next level CGI and no ragrets destruction.
That's a pretty accurate summation.
Thought it was stupid, even for the type of movie it was. Felt myself yawning during the fighting at the end, ready for it to end.
These types of movies are just full of convenient plot devices. Hell, everything just works exactly how they want it to work at that time. They can make crafts that do what they did, but they still can't penetrate the skin of Godzilla?
These types of movies are just full of convenient plot devices. Hell, everything just works exactly how they want it to work at that time. They can make crafts that do what they did, but they still can't penetrate the skin of Godzilla?
This movie is ****ing awful, period. It's worse than The Snyder Cut of Justice League. If you you thought Justice League's plot made no sense, Godzilla vs Kong says hold my beer. It's so far off the rails that I couldn't even enjoy it. I recently rewatched Kong Skull Island and Godzilla 2014, both of which are fun to watch. This one is so stupid that I don't understand anything going on at WB. There's a lot of parallels with Pacific Rim, except Pacific Rim is a lot of silly fun. Here's what I've watched in straight to HBO Max over the past several months: WW84, The Snyder Cut, Godzilla vs Kong. These have been so bad it gives me fear that Dune will be a let down and I love Villeneuve. I rewatched Blade Runner 2049 last month and it's great, I have high hopes for Dune but what WB has been putting out recently is so ****ty that it gives me pause.
This is the way to watch a movie like this. I'm taking my 9 year old monster fan to it tonight, and I expect she's going to love it and not thing any part of it is slightly dumb.Another Doug said:
Watched it with my 7 year old tonight.
Mindless King Kong / Godzilla fun. He was a fan, I enjoyed watching it with him.
Great on IMAX!!!
I didn't care for the replacement actors. No bigs.
I didn't care for the replacement actors. No bigs.
The movie sucked. At least the last Godzilla movie stayed pretty true to the original movies. This one was just plain in left field. Nothing made sense. Yeah, you go to watch the fight scenes. But, those were vastly over-the-top stupid. The ax was stupid. Mechagodzilla was stupid. The last movie was the best IMHO. The first movie was passable. This one was a **** show.
I thought it was pretty good. Plot holes and unexplained situations are to be expected in a movie like this. But to me it adds to the fun. We took our 9 and 5 year old. But the wife and I loved it. A popcorn movie. Go see it in a theater on a big screen. It's worth it.
I don't know, I thought the CGI in this movie was a little poor:
I think where you see this makes a MAJOR difference in how much you enjoyed it. Saw it in IMAX and loved it. This was exactly the kind of movie that I wanted to see after a year plus of not being in a movie theater. My buddy and I have very similar taste in movies and had different opinions and he watched it at home.
Yes, there were incredibly stupid parts and plot points, but that was just filler in between the action. I watched the first 12 minutes at home on Wednesday and it was just so much more fun in the theaters. The scene where Godzilla has Kong pinned and they start roaring at each other was complete awesomeness that would have just been barely memorable on my tv with my b/tchass soundbar.
Yes, there were incredibly stupid parts and plot points, but that was just filler in between the action. I watched the first 12 minutes at home on Wednesday and it was just so much more fun in the theaters. The scene where Godzilla has Kong pinned and they start roaring at each other was complete awesomeness that would have just been barely memorable on my tv with my b/tchass soundbar.
Dumber than King of the Monsters, but also somehow better? Or at least more fun?
If anything, to echo others in this thread, it looked amazing. The CGI, the cinematography, the lighting... were all incredible, to the point where, with the right script, I think Adam Wingard could do wonders. He's doing Thundercats next, though, so... maybe after that?
A few questions/notes...
- In the pre-movie events off screen, how did Nathan's brother's team find/make it to Hollow Earth without a Titan? Nothing about that plot line made any damn sense. Nathan wrote a book about Hollow Earth, presumably as if it were a theory and no one had ever been there, considering how it was received. No one believed him, his book tanked. Except that his brother and his team not only went there, without a Titan, they were torn apart by Hollow Earth's gravity. Yet, according to Nathan's in-the-moment brainstorm, the only way to get to Hollow Earth is to use a Titan to guide you there. Which, again, is simultaneously a theoretical location and a real place his brother had actually been, without the help of Titan. But, Titans... you gotta have one to get there. At least according to Nathan's wild theory. Even though his brother had already been there; "there" being a place that may or may not exist, where his brother definitely died. Wut?
- That said, it was laughably easy to get to Hallow Earth. Like, they literally followed Kong in basically a straight line toward a giant, bright-shining wormhole. And then the wormhole did the rest. There was zero "navigating" and it felt like a human team could have found that wormhole the first time they ever entered that cavern, in a matter of hours.
- I love how the invention of anti-gravity - which would easily be the greatest scientific invention in all of human history - is just some off-handed throw-away thing here. That, and scientists estimate that, even if we could master the science behind anti-gravity, it would still take all the power currently generated on Earth to run an anti-gravity machine. In other words... Apex's invention to journey to the center of the earth to harness the power of Hollow Earth would, itself, require all the power on Earth. A super nerdy nitpick, I know, but I just found that kind of hilarious.
- Though, I will say, I actually kind of liked Hollow Earth once we finally got there. It was an idea I'd never seen on screen before, executed about as well as it could be. The gravity of it all was cool, the throne room (and throne room music) was badass, and I just really enjoyed that entire sequence, up until Godzilla atomic-breathed a hole from Tokyo directly to them, something I still have no clue what purpose it served, or why Godzilla even did it. Further, why have them wormhole *to* Hollow Earth (which was never explained... there's just, you know, a wormhole there), but then have Kong climb 4000 MILES UP to Tokyo, through the atomic hole, in a matter of seconds/minutes, with the three humans not far behind? Also, didn't we do all of this in the last movie? The one where Ken Watanabe died in what looked to be yet another throne room at the center of the Earth?
- Speaking of, please don't tell me that the bad guys "uploaded" power from the throne room, via that little crawling, core-sample machine, to Mechgodzilla. Seriously, what the hell was that? That little crawling machine thing took a core sample of powered-up rock, then the next thing I knew something was being "downloaded" to Mechagodzilla, which I can only assume was the energy required to power it, since that was obviously what they were after all along. But, like, you can't just "upload" energy over a WiFi signal or whatever. Am I missing something here?
- Oh, and for the record, I was wondering how there was sunlight in Hollow Earth as well, but then they showed a quick, establishing/vista shot of the throne room exterior in the distance and the "power source" or whatever that was kind of glowing above/around it, through the clouds. I took that to be where all the "sunlight" was coming from, kind of like a mini star at the center of the Earth.
Anyway, there were obviously 400 other glaring plot/logic issues, but these were the ones that really stuck out to me. And it all could have been "fixed" with just a couple more lines here and there, or some slight rewriting, which makes it all the more frustrating.
But whatever. I guess I was still entertained enough. Though, I will likely never think about or revisit this movie ever again.
If anything, to echo others in this thread, it looked amazing. The CGI, the cinematography, the lighting... were all incredible, to the point where, with the right script, I think Adam Wingard could do wonders. He's doing Thundercats next, though, so... maybe after that?
A few questions/notes...
- In the pre-movie events off screen, how did Nathan's brother's team find/make it to Hollow Earth without a Titan? Nothing about that plot line made any damn sense. Nathan wrote a book about Hollow Earth, presumably as if it were a theory and no one had ever been there, considering how it was received. No one believed him, his book tanked. Except that his brother and his team not only went there, without a Titan, they were torn apart by Hollow Earth's gravity. Yet, according to Nathan's in-the-moment brainstorm, the only way to get to Hollow Earth is to use a Titan to guide you there. Which, again, is simultaneously a theoretical location and a real place his brother had actually been, without the help of Titan. But, Titans... you gotta have one to get there. At least according to Nathan's wild theory. Even though his brother had already been there; "there" being a place that may or may not exist, where his brother definitely died. Wut?
- That said, it was laughably easy to get to Hallow Earth. Like, they literally followed Kong in basically a straight line toward a giant, bright-shining wormhole. And then the wormhole did the rest. There was zero "navigating" and it felt like a human team could have found that wormhole the first time they ever entered that cavern, in a matter of hours.
- I love how the invention of anti-gravity - which would easily be the greatest scientific invention in all of human history - is just some off-handed throw-away thing here. That, and scientists estimate that, even if we could master the science behind anti-gravity, it would still take all the power currently generated on Earth to run an anti-gravity machine. In other words... Apex's invention to journey to the center of the earth to harness the power of Hollow Earth would, itself, require all the power on Earth. A super nerdy nitpick, I know, but I just found that kind of hilarious.
- Though, I will say, I actually kind of liked Hollow Earth once we finally got there. It was an idea I'd never seen on screen before, executed about as well as it could be. The gravity of it all was cool, the throne room (and throne room music) was badass, and I just really enjoyed that entire sequence, up until Godzilla atomic-breathed a hole from Tokyo directly to them, something I still have no clue what purpose it served, or why Godzilla even did it. Further, why have them wormhole *to* Hollow Earth (which was never explained... there's just, you know, a wormhole there), but then have Kong climb 4000 MILES UP to Tokyo, through the atomic hole, in a matter of seconds/minutes, with the three humans not far behind? Also, didn't we do all of this in the last movie? The one where Ken Watanabe died in what looked to be yet another throne room at the center of the Earth?
- Speaking of, please don't tell me that the bad guys "uploaded" power from the throne room, via that little crawling, core-sample machine, to Mechgodzilla. Seriously, what the hell was that? That little crawling machine thing took a core sample of powered-up rock, then the next thing I knew something was being "downloaded" to Mechagodzilla, which I can only assume was the energy required to power it, since that was obviously what they were after all along. But, like, you can't just "upload" energy over a WiFi signal or whatever. Am I missing something here?
- Oh, and for the record, I was wondering how there was sunlight in Hollow Earth as well, but then they showed a quick, establishing/vista shot of the throne room exterior in the distance and the "power source" or whatever that was kind of glowing above/around it, through the clouds. I took that to be where all the "sunlight" was coming from, kind of like a mini star at the center of the Earth.
Anyway, there were obviously 400 other glaring plot/logic issues, but these were the ones that really stuck out to me. And it all could have been "fixed" with just a couple more lines here and there, or some slight rewriting, which makes it all the more frustrating.
But whatever. I guess I was still entertained enough. Though, I will likely never think about or revisit this movie ever again.
So...what are the guesses for the next Godzilla movie?
We have seen (warning: awful spelling):
- Rodon
- Mothra
- Ghidora
- Mecha
- Kong
- MUTO
Are we out of Titan/Kaiju threats to Godzilla? Is this series est todo el listo?
We have seen (warning: awful spelling):
- Rodon
- Mothra
- Ghidora
- Mecha
- Kong
- MUTO
Are we out of Titan/Kaiju threats to Godzilla? Is this series est todo el listo?
EDIT: just googled the gravity thing. Yeah, that's not how gravity works.
I could easily see Hedorah in our current political climate. Hedorah is known as the Smog Monster in its US release.MaroonStain said:
So...what are the guesses for the next Godzilla movie?
We have seen (warning: awful spelling):
- Rodon
- Mothra
- Ghidora
- Mecha
- Kong
- MUTO
Are we out of Titan/Kaiju threats to Godzilla? Is this series est todo el listo?
If they went with a Megalon or Gigan, then I suspect everyone here would be pining for the days of the awesomeness of Godzilla versus Kong. Biollante could be interesting.
As for GvK - I saw it theatrically on opening night, and have watched twice on HBOMax. The difference between these viewings is astounding. To be clear, I do not currently have anything resembling a great TV/sound system setup, but even if I did, I just don't think the movie comes across the same. I'm glad I saw it in the theater, but after those two more viewings, given all the problems in this movie, I doubt I'll ever watch it again. As opposed to the first two, which I watch often enough.
Took my daughter last night. We loved the fights and the little girl signing. My daughter was aghast when she realized I was cheering for godzilla instead of kong. Kinda felt like the movie should have been called kong 2 with guest star godzilla, the big Green guy got way less screen time. Speaking of less screen time, did Kyle Chandler sleep with the director's wife? He is in maybe 4 scenes and does absolutely nothing but look at monitors, talk on the phone, and get out of a car.
I know it's customary to pick at dumb movies, but if you're already accepting that there is a 300 foot tall gorilla with enough food inside a dome to sustain him and a 300 foot dinosaur living under the sea with enough food to sustain him, you might as well just go along for the ride.
I know it's customary to pick at dumb movies, but if you're already accepting that there is a 300 foot tall gorilla with enough food inside a dome to sustain him and a 300 foot dinosaur living under the sea with enough food to sustain him, you might as well just go along for the ride.
This movie was silly and I did not enjoy it as much as the other two. A few things I haven't seen mentioned...
I think Godzilla 2014 still remains my favorite of these movies followed by Skull Island. I like the scale and the cinematography of 2014 and the sound is fantastic. I actually think as these movies have gotten larger with more monsters the less I've liked them. I think it actually ruins the mystique and wonder of it all.
- The anti-gravity thing was dumb only because it can only impact humans but not Kong? So, gravity and anti-gravity applies to humans but then only gravity applies to Kong but not the anti-gravity? Why do they have to be protected from it but not him?
- I'm still bothered by what seems to be scale fluctuations of these monsters from the boats to the city. And fighting on top of the aircraft carrier is just stupid. Maybe I'm wrong on the former and just don't understand the scale between these ships and city scape.
- So, I'm assuming Kong was ruler of the Hollow Earth because of the throne and the axe that would only be used by a simian titan. But why was there a Godzilla emblem on the floor circling the throne? I guess that was just plot convenience to be able to upgrade Kong's Axe to +4 once powered with Godzilla breath? So, Kong ruled Hollow Earth and Godzilla ruled top side?
- And no one else commented on the fact that they almost went back to the silly ass original movies with the Godzilla / Kong fight? They had to speed up Godzilla so he could remotely compete with Kong. He's never moved liked that in these movies. There were a few different times for 2-3 second spans where Godzilla moved like a human in a suit like in the original movies. I was laughing my ass off at that throwback.
I think Godzilla 2014 still remains my favorite of these movies followed by Skull Island. I like the scale and the cinematography of 2014 and the sound is fantastic. I actually think as these movies have gotten larger with more monsters the less I've liked them. I think it actually ruins the mystique and wonder of it all.
Watched it with my 11 y.o.. Went into it expecting that it would be awful. Was pleasantly surprised to find it merely bad. As others have said, decent CGI for the fight scenes which is really all these kind of movies are about anyway.
Cinco Ranch Aggie said:I could easily see Hedorah in our current political climate. Hedorah is known as the Smog Monster in its US release.MaroonStain said:
So...what are the guesses for the next Godzilla movie?
We have seen (warning: awful spelling):
- Rodon
- Mothra
- Ghidora
- Mecha
- Kong
- MUTO
Are we out of Titan/Kaiju threats to Godzilla? Is this series est todo el listo?
If they went with a Megalon or Gigan, then I suspect everyone here would be pining for the days of the awesomeness of Godzilla versus Kong. Biollante could be interesting.
As for GvK - I saw it theatrically on opening night, and have watched twice on HBOMax. The difference between these viewings is astounding. To be clear, I do not currently have anything resembling a great TV/sound system setup, but even if I did, I just don't think the movie comes across the same. I'm glad I saw it in the theater, but after those two more viewings, given all the problems in this movie, I doubt I'll ever watch it again. As opposed to the first two, which I watch often enough.
Thank you for the response. I wiki'ed all of the names and could be interesting.
Would be cool if they brought some of the other storylines into it - ala King Caesar, Megalon, Planet X, Gigan, etc.
As to what's next, I asked a friend who is a Godzilla ubernerd. Godzilla is to him what Star Wars is to many of us.
He said that basically alien invasion is the only thing that could up the stakes now. Not much left in the canon.
He said that basically alien invasion is the only thing that could up the stakes now. Not much left in the canon.
We deserve a Pacific Rim crossover. Don't care how nonsensical it is.
I was going to comment earlier on this as an add-on to my thought around this thing losing mystique for me.AliasMan02 said:
As to what's next, I asked a friend who is a Godzilla ubernerd. Godzilla is to him what Star Wars is to many of us.
He said that basically alien invasion is the only thing that could up the stakes now. Not much left in the canon.
Where else do you go with it? Shut it down and reboot it all over again in 10 years? Our eyeballs can't register CGI any better than they already do so tech advancements are essentially done here.
The only next step is to go full VR where you can be one of many Japanese people running scared through the streets as Godzilla tramps through Tokyo.
The alien angle has actually been done in the animation realm where Godzilla has become almost this omnipotent creature that has destroyed humanity. I've watched part of it and it's pretty out there and frankly kind of boring.
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Speaking of less screen time, did Kyle Chandler sleep with the director's wife? He is in maybe 4 scenes and does absolutely nothing but look at monitors, talk on the phone, and get out of a car.
This gets into what I mentioned about just not caring about the characters.
There was actually a meaningful storyline between Chandler and Millie Bobby Brown in King of Monsters and you got attached to the them and their relationship, but in this one they both seemed to be there simply because they were in the last film.
thats actually funnyTanya 93 said:
AliasMan02 said:
As to what's next, I asked a friend who is a Godzilla ubernerd. Godzilla is to him what Star Wars is to many of us.
He said that basically alien invasion is the only thing that could up the stakes now. Not much left in the canon.
...and we are done here, folks.
The Hollow Earth could set up a clear prequel where there are a dozen zillas and dozen kings and 50 other monsters duking it out for supremacy
I kind of admire those who can let a really, really stupid movie not bother them. I can handle huge lizards and monkeys, but dont do **** like mary poppins princess leia, or gravity suspending center of the earth crap, or 8 year old yuppie kids taking over skynet from their game console, or whatever. That level of dumb just hurts the experience for me. I think battleship about set the bar for lowest ra ra dumb movie that is still enjoyable for me. Ill just catch the fight scenes from this one on youtube or something.
That was a Oh Hell Yeah on the IMAX!!!
Fat Bib Fortuna said:
The Hollow Earth could set up a clear prequel where there are a dozen zillas and dozen kings and 50 other monsters duking it out for supremacy
I like this idea.
My other suggestion to my friend was you throw this like 10,000 years in the future and do something with it.
TCTTS said:
- Though, I will say, I actually kind of liked Hollow Earth once we finally got there. It was an idea I'd never seen on screen before, executed about as well as it could be. The gravity of it all was cool, the throne room (and throne room music) was badass, and I just really enjoyed that entire sequence, up until Godzilla atomic-breathed a hole from Tokyo directly to them, something I still have no clue what purpose it served, or why Godzilla even did it. Further, why have them wormhole *to* Hollow Earth (which was never explained... there's just, you know, a wormhole there), but then have Kong climb 4000 MILES UP to Tokyo, through the atomic hole, in a matter of seconds/minutes, with the three humans not far behind? Also, didn't we do all of this in the last movie? The one where Ken Watanabe died in what looked to be yet another throne room at the center of the Earth?
Well there's your problem there... godzilla blew a hole through the earth from Hong Kong. So, maybe that'll make it make more sense.
That changes EVERYTHING.
A throwback a la Skull Island could be interesting too (though possibly a bit politically sensitive), go back to Godzilla's awakening after WW2.AliasMan02 said:Fat Bib Fortuna said:
The Hollow Earth could set up a clear prequel where there are a dozen zillas and dozen kings and 50 other monsters duking it out for supremacy
I like this idea.
My other suggestion to my friend was you throw this like 10,000 years in the future and do something with it.
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