Head Ninja In Charge said:

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Best Original Song
"Be Alive" from King Richard - Dixson and Beyonc Knowles-Carter
"Dos Oruguitas" from Encanto - Lin-Manuel Miranda
"Down to Joy" from Belfast - Van Morrison
"No Time to Die" from No Time to Die - Billie Eilish and Finneas O'Connell
"Somehow You Do" from Four Good Days - Diane Warren

Funny that the song they didn't submit is the number one song on Billboard.

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since when have oscars and popularity gone hand in hand?

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That Don't Look Up is on that list pretty much invalidates the whole list.
Just blows my mind how out of touch the academy is.

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I still can't believe the Green Knight didn't get nominated for anything. It was an incredible experience.

62strat said:

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Head Ninja In Charge said:

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Best Original Song
"Be Alive" from King Richard - Dixson and Beyonc Knowles-Carter
"Dos Oruguitas" from Encanto - Lin-Manuel Miranda
"Down to Joy" from Belfast - Van Morrison
"No Time to Die" from No Time to Die - Billie Eilish and Finneas O'Connell
"Somehow You Do" from Four Good Days - Diane Warren

Funny that the song they didn't submit is the number one song on Billboard.

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since when have oscars and popularity gone hand in hand?

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See Don't Look Up discourse on page 1.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/academy-announces-new-oscar-eligibility-standards-diversity-inclusion-requirements/

Could this have something to do with the wonky noms?

I saw Licorice Pizza and was a bit disappointed because I like Anderson's other films. LP really nailed the San Fernando Valley of that era similar to Boogie Nights but he missed the mark so slightly with Licorice Pizza. I just didn't find the love story believable. He just didn't sell it to me over the course of the film.

CajunAg97 said:

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I turned Power of the Dog off after about 12 minutes it was so awful. Don't Look Up, I couldn't stop watching it was so bad. WTF is going on in Hollywood?

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Same for me on Power of the Dog. I just went and watched some paint dry.

winmck said:

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CajunAg97 said:

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I turned Power of the Dog off after about 12 minutes it was so awful. Don't Look Up, I couldn't stop watching it was so bad. WTF is going on in Hollywood?

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Same for me on Power of the Dog. I just went and watched some paint dry.

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Sapper Redux said:

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Guarantee that Encanto is going to win Best Animated Film when it should be Mitchells vs the Machines.

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I'd put Luca ahead of Encanto, and I didn't particularly love either one of them.

62strat said:

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Head Ninja In Charge said:

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Best Original Song
"Be Alive" from King Richard - Dixson and Beyonc Knowles-Carter
"Dos Oruguitas" from Encanto - Lin-Manuel Miranda
"Down to Joy" from Belfast - Van Morrison
"No Time to Die" from No Time to Die - Billie Eilish and Finneas O'Connell
"Somehow You Do" from Four Good Days - Diane Warren

Funny that the song they didn't submit is the number one song on Billboard.

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since when have oscars and popularity gone hand in hand?

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For one thing, it's up to the studio to submit songs to the Academy for awards consideration, and Disney opted to only submit the Spanish language ballad "Dos Oruguitas" from Encanto. The smash success of "We Don't Talk About Bruno" was not quite apparent yet when that decision was made, but also the choice fits with decades of Disney Oscar strategy.

- EW

chick79 said:

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"Being the Ricardo's" actually got nominated for some categories!? Awful movie. Nicole Kidman at least did a good job of playing Lucy. I thought Javier was average at best playing Ricky.

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I'll disagree there. Bardem looks nothing like Desi, but his performance completely sold it for me. Nomination worthy for sure.

62strat said:

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Head Ninja In Charge said:

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Best Original Song
"Be Alive" from King Richard - Dixson and Beyonc Knowles-Carter
"Dos Oruguitas" from Encanto - Lin-Manuel Miranda
"Down to Joy" from Belfast - Van Morrison
"No Time to Die" from No Time to Die - Billie Eilish and Finneas O'Connell
"Somehow You Do" from Four Good Days - Diane Warren

Funny that the song they didn't submit is the number one song on Billboard.

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since when have oscars and popularity gone hand in hand?

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I love We Don't Talk About Bruno. Almost as much as "Everything is Awesome," when it comes to animated movie songs. But "Dos Origuitas" is a beautiful song, especially with what is shown in the movie.

I think the Billie Elish song will win. But would not be upset at Lin-Manuel Miranda getting the EGOT

An old argument, but true.

Didn't they expand from 5 best picture nominees to up to 10 for the purpose of including more crowd pleasers? Doesn't seem to be working out that way.

Of course, the did try to create the popular film category a few years back, but the idea was almost universally panned.

Gotta love these posts: 'I turned the movie off after 10 minutes, and now I am outraged at what nominations it has received.'

The arent voting for the best picture that Max Power watched. They are voting for the best stuff that the Academy members saw. With streaming we all have a thousand different option at our fingertips at any time, we never will get back to the day where most people saw the nominated films because there simply are too many life entertainment options. You could argue the academy is out of touch, but at the end of the day is there any group of films outside of marvel movies that the majority of america, let alone the world watched?

Great point. Basically, the Academy needs to expect lower Oscar night ratings from here on out, while Average Joe movie-goers need to accept that the Academy is rarely going to recognize the Spider-Man: No Way Homes of the world. It doesn't mean either is "out of touch." I honestly don't understand why people get so bent out of shape over this. It's just an awards show, not an end-all-be-all popularity contest where the losers get erased from history.

Eso si, Que es said:

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It's like 1939 all over again

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But A&M won a NC that year. Whoo-hooo

I think the big studios are taking on less and less 'oscar-worthy' projects (for lack of a better word), because those carry a lot more risk than IP-related blockbusters. Streaming and the pandemic has accelerated this, but it seems like going forward there will be less overlap in the Venn diagram between an award-worthy movie and a blockbuster movie.

Looking at the 2021 box office, Encanto is the only original movie not tied to source material, sequel, IP, etc. Dune got a lot of recognition, but outside of that it's really, really hard to make the case that any of these top 25 movies are award-worthy. Americans aren't really that interested in paying to go to theaters for award-movies, and studios don't seem interested in taking the financial risk to try and launch an award-movie into the mainstream.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/2021/

I'm not defending the Academy - they definitely make some terrible choices - but I also don't quite understand being "frustrated" by them either, in the same way that I don't care if some pretentious critic puts a movie I've never seen at top of their yearly "best of" list. It's just one group of people who happen to have a big megaphone, but one that's growing increasingly smaller. That, and what's so bad about these lesser-known films getting more exposure? Isn't that more valuable to the industry and to filmmakers than people tuning in one night on network television to "celebrate" something they already "celebrated" with their wallet?

To me, Dune is the clear "best picture" of the year, absolutely deserves the award, and meets the "popular"/box office top 25 criteria. But I also understand that sci-fi epics aren't everyone's thing. That said, outside of Dune, I look at not only the nominated slate, but the entire calendar year, and I have NO IDEA what I would put in its place / what would meet any kind of "popular" criteria that's also worthy. This is such a weird year, due to the pandemic, so more than anything I'm just chalking it up to that. But I'm also in agreement that we're likely never going to have consensus favorites ever again, and I'm totally fine with that.

Come March, it sounds like Best Picture is coming down to The Way of The Dog and Don't Look Up. I quit the former after twenty minutes (and I never do that), and I wasn't a huge fan of the latter at all (but also didn't hate it either, like some do). On one had, sure, that's kind of depressing. But on the other hand, we got Dune and Spider-Man: No Way Home this year, two of the best theater-going experiences I've ever had, and whatever the Academy chooses this year, they can't take those experiences away from me. So why fret over any of this?

Bunbury said:

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I think the big studios are taking on less and less 'oscar-worthy' projects (for lack of a better word), because those carry a lot more risk than IP-related blockbusters. Streaming and the pandemic has accelerated this, but it seems like going forward there will be less overlap in the Venn diagram between an award-worthy movie and a blockbuster movie.

Looking at the 2021 box office, Encanto is the only original movie not tied to source material, sequel, IP, etc. Dune got a lot of recognition, but outside of that it's really, really hard to make the case that any of these top 25 movies are award-worthy. Americans aren't really that interested in paying to go to theaters for award-movies, and studios don't seem interested in taking the financial risk to try and launch an award-movie into the mainstream.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/2021/

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Well put.

Pretty well put.

I guess I just look at things thru my sports lenses too often, which is probably not fair. I don't want to see some guy when the Heisman from a 11-1 Northern Illinois team. And to your point, I want to see Bryce Young rewarded for putting up stupid numbers, against the best competition, even if he was on the best team.

Again, not the best comparison, but to your point...it shouldn't bother me, or anyone else for that matter.

Don't get me wrong, during the broadcast I definitely let out a groan or roll my eyes and will even b*tch on this board when something "undeserving" wins, in whatever category. So I'm not above the frustration in the moment. I'm just just talking more in a big-picture sense.

I saw a tweet thread the other day where a couple of professional Oscar pundits were basically making fun of themselves - these are people who live, eat, and breathe this stuff - with one of them making the point that, for all the prognosticating and griping they do, neither one of them could name all ten Best Picture nominees from the prior year. In other words, the second these awards are over, even those types of people move on from this stuff and hold on only to their own experiences and what they, personally, liked.

There's too much other stuff out there to spend time watching a movie you don't like so I have no problem with anyone turning off a movie after 20 minutes if you're not into it. But those that did missed the best part of Power of the Dog that actually made it all worth it in my opinion, even if I didn't love it and certainly wouldn't name it my Best Picture.

Feel like the biggest snubs would be DV for Director, C'mon C'mon for literally anything (my favorite movie not named Dune from 2021), and selfishly would have loved to have been able to say "Academy Award Nominee Dirt Nasty" for the rest of my life when referring to Simon Rex.

That said, I can never even pretend to care about award season and Oscars. Just doesn't move my needle.

We can all agree that there are much bigger issues here. Pete Davidson is dating Kim Kardashian. Kristen Stewart is nominated for an Oscar. The universe is unraveling, continuing to give us bigger hints, yet we refuse to accept it.