There was something familiar about Genes orders/commands after the heist was over as well (The one where he was making then say "we're done"). It may not have been a copy of anything else but it seemed close.
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YNWA_AG said:
After watching 6 seasons of this type of episode, I don't understand being so upset about potentially seeing Jimmy's last heist.
How did you make it this far?
I have watched every episode of both series. To me, as it did for a lot of people, this episode fell flat. I understand the stylistic cinematography took a lot of talent and work, just felt for the first time the show was taking itself way too seriously.
SquirrellyDan said:YNWA_AG said:
After watching 6 seasons of this type of episode, I don't understand being so upset about potentially seeing Jimmy's last heist.
How did you make it this far?
I have watched every episode of both series. To me, as it did for a lot of people, this episode fell flat. I understand the stylistic cinematography took a lot of talent and work, just felt for the first time the show was taking itself way too seriously.
Genuinely curious what you mean by this comment, as it felt the exact opposite to me. IMO, this was a "fun & games" episode, one that didn't take itself seriously at all, only to have a poignant moment in the end about where this might be heading. In fact, the main complaint I keep seeing basically boils down to this episode not being "serious" enough, with only three episodes left now.
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Correct and added that he couldn't pay his mortgage and within a year had a pile of cash the size of a volkswagon.Ervin Burrell said:When the cab driver was expressing his concerns about going through with the heist at their little obstacle course in the snow, Saul brought up something to the effect of "a chemistry teacher, starts selling meth and rakes in millions of dollars..." Can't remember the exact context or quote but that's the only time I remember a Walt reference in the episode.Malachi Constant said:
What Heisenberg reference did I miss?
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I don't think you can judge the episode until you see what happens. It might (and probably will) be a critical piece that lays the groundwork for the ending of the story. Or we might look back and say "wow, you only had four episodes left and you chose to use one of them on that?" We will see.
Yes, but I don't think he mentioned meth at all.Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:Correct and added that he couldn't pay his mortgage and within a year had a pile of cash the size of a volkswagon.Ervin Burrell said:When the cab driver was expressing his concerns about going through with the heist at their little obstacle course in the snow, Saul brought up something to the effect of "a chemistry teacher, starts selling meth and rakes in millions of dollars..." Can't remember the exact context or quote but that's the only time I remember a Walt reference in the episode.Malachi Constant said:
What Heisenberg reference did I miss?
double aught said:Yes, but I don't think he mentioned meth at all.Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:Correct and added that he couldn't pay his mortgage and within a year had a pile of cash the size of a volkswagon.Ervin Burrell said:When the cab driver was expressing his concerns about going through with the heist at their little obstacle course in the snow, Saul brought up something to the effect of "a chemistry teacher, starts selling meth and rakes in millions of dollars..." Can't remember the exact context or quote but that's the only time I remember a Walt reference in the episode.Malachi Constant said:
What Heisenberg reference did I miss?
That's possible. Like I said I don't remember the exact quote and I'm too lazy to go watch it again.
TCTTS said:SquirrellyDan said:YNWA_AG said:
After watching 6 seasons of this type of episode, I don't understand being so upset about potentially seeing Jimmy's last heist.
How did you make it this far?
I have watched every episode of both series. To me, as it did for a lot of people, this episode fell flat. I understand the stylistic cinematography took a lot of talent and work, just felt for the first time the show was taking itself way too seriously.
Genuinely curious what you mean by this comment, as it felt the exact opposite to me. IMO, this was a "fun & games" episode, one that didn't take itself seriously at all, only to have a poignant moment in the end about where this might be heading. In fact, the main complaint I keep seeing basically boils down to this episode not being "serious" enough, with only three episodes left now.
I meant that the cinematography and angles and what not were nowhere near enough to carry that unnecessarily drawn out, boring episode. Just my opinion. I still watched the whole thing and will watch the rest. I get that you probably liked it, I did not. different strokes for different folks.
During this episode, I found myself frequency skipping ahead because I found a scene repetitive or boring. I have NEVER done that with BB or BCS.
This is more of a general question than a critique, but how do you know if it is or isn't interesting if you are skipping parts? What makes you press play and say "Ah ha! This is the good part"?
Just watched and here's my deal...
Yeah it moved things along a bit and had some good tidbits but overall I didn't like it because it didn't take an entire episode to get those points across.
I feel like this was just filler to stretch it out longer. And GD the commercials are a beating.
Yeah it moved things along a bit and had some good tidbits but overall I didn't like it because it didn't take an entire episode to get those points across.
I feel like this was just filler to stretch it out longer. And GD the commercials are a beating.
Brilliant episode, perhaps a little out of place this late in the series. But it was brilliant.
Did anyone one else notice "SG was here" on the dumpster at the mall? A nod to Shawshank Redemption is an idea that I've seen floated.
He did that in one of the previous season flash forwards.
Know Your Enemy said:
I also think Jimmy/Saul/Gene feels he can control those two thieves so while the heist does pose some risk it's less than before now that he has plenty to hang over their heads. And for him, the goods don't matter. He didn't pull this for the money.
I think Gene was also taking a page out of Mike's book and was effectively pretending to be Mike by deliberately and commandingly laying out to those two guys exactly what their next steps needed to be just like Mike laid it out for Kim and Jimmy after Howard's death.
If I'm getting bored with a scene, it isn't interesting. So I skip to the end of the scene to get the gist of what happened, then hopefully find the next scene more interesting. Case in point, last night with the endless bringing Cinnabon roles to the security guards or the burglary rehearsal in the snowy field.Quinn said:
This is more of a general question than a critique, but how do you know if it is or isn't interesting if you are skipping parts? What makes you press play and say "Ah ha! This is the good part"?
Now it turns out I missed some stuff, like the football talk or the Heisenberg reference, but to me that doesn't save an otherwise boring scene.
Stive said:
There was something familiar about Genes orders/commands after the heist was over as well (The one where he was making then say "we're done"). It may not have been a copy of anything else but it seemed close.
Gene emulating Mike's handling of Jimmy and Kim after Howard's death. I think it's part of the Saul bug invigorating Gene and being in command like Mike always was.
This episode was the springboard for what becomes of Saul/Jimmy/Gene. It was absolutely critical to set up what starts the end of the Gene timeline.
He's been very predictable and safe and not really living as Gene. This heist gave him a taste of life again and it's likely to be his undoing in some way. You can't have the undoing without this episode to set it up.
Those of you who thought it was boring, how the hell did you make it through the first 3 seasons of BCS? There were several whole episodes dealing with Chuck that were less important to the overall story than this one was.
He's been very predictable and safe and not really living as Gene. This heist gave him a taste of life again and it's likely to be his undoing in some way. You can't have the undoing without this episode to set it up.
Those of you who thought it was boring, how the hell did you make it through the first 3 seasons of BCS? There were several whole episodes dealing with Chuck that were less important to the overall story than this one was.
Watched it again tonight and liked it better the second time. Still was not my favorite but I have complete faith in the writers of this show. There are no throw aways at this point. They are going somewhere with Gene and I'm here for it
So you skipped all of the research and planning Gene did for the heist, which was one of the focal points of the episode....good calltorrid said:If I'm getting bored with a scene, it isn't interesting. So I skip to the end of the scene to get the gist of what happened, then hopefully find the next scene more interesting. Case in point, last night with the endless bringing Cinnabon roles to the security guards or the burglary rehearsal in the snowy field.Quinn said:
This is more of a general question than a critique, but how do you know if it is or isn't interesting if you are skipping parts? What makes you press play and say "Ah ha! This is the good part"?
Now it turns out I missed some stuff, like the football talk or the Heisenberg reference, but to me that doesn't save an otherwise boring scene.
This is the one series that consistently brought TexAgs together over the past decade. It was so good, in fact, that all it took was one episode to tear us apart.
LOL and touche'.
Was Texags like this the week after the Fly episode of BB?
Counterpoint said:
Was Texags like this the week after the Fly episode of BB?
Absolutely
torrid said:If I'm getting bored with a scene, it isn't interesting. So I skip to the end of the scene to get the gist of what happened, then hopefully find the next scene more interesting.Quinn said:
This is more of a general question than a critique, but how do you know if it is or isn't interesting if you are skipping parts? What makes you press play and say "Ah ha! This is the good part"?
Read for yourself. I just found the original thread and brought it back to life.Counterpoint said:
Was Texags like this the week after the Fly episode of BB?
As it turns out there is way more whining and complaining over this episode. Maybe it's because there is a bigger viewership watching at the time of airing. I didn't start BB until after season 4 had aired. The only one I watched in real time was the last one.Ken Scarborough said:Counterpoint said:
Was Texags like this the week after the Fly episode of BB?
Absolutely
torrid said:If I'm getting bored with a scene, it isn't interesting. So I skip to the end of the scene to get the gist of what happened, then hopefully find the next scene more interesting. Case in point, last night with the endless bringing Cinnabon roles to the security guards or the burglary rehearsal in the snowy field.Quinn said:
This is more of a general question than a critique, but how do you know if it is or isn't interesting if you are skipping parts? What makes you press play and say "Ah ha! This is the good part"?
Now it turns out I missed some stuff, like the football talk or the Heisenberg reference, but to me that doesn't save an otherwise boring scene.
That's sounds like an absolute horrible way to watch a show. Like why even bother?
I haven't done this with a tv show or movie yet, but I watch a lot of YouTube/listen to podcasts at 1.5-2x speed. It's just a way to get the info into my brain in the least amount of time, but would kind of ruin the enjoyment aspect of a show/movie. Skipping scenes altogether seems like it would be hard to follow.
Know Your Enemy said:As it turns out there is way more whining and complaining over this episode. Maybe it's because there is a bigger viewership watching at the time of airing. I didn't start BB until after season 4 had aired. The only one I watched in real time was the last one.Ken Scarborough said:Counterpoint said:
Was Texags like this the week after the Fly episode of BB?
Absolutely
I'm not "taking a stand" on this episode, I actually enjoyed it. I will say however that Fly didn't appear at the end of the series. It would be analogous if Fly had appeared between To'hajiilee and Ozymandias. That was really the only frustration I had with this episode, but it wasn't enough to make me not like it.
The people complaining about this episode are the same people who complain about the officiating in A&M game threads.
Surprised you're able to take time away from HS marching band videos to watch a show like this.wbt5845 said:
The people complaining about this episode are the same people who complain about the officiating in A&M game threads.
Can't believe I'm going to wade back into this again.
I think Belton Ag said exactly what some of us are thinking about this episode's placement in the series. I've even stated earlier that I thought this would have been fine for season 4 or 5, or even the first half of season 6. Or for that matter, probably as episode 12. For me, it didn't do anything to advance the story as we know it up till now. Will we get paid off later for it? Maybe/maybe not. Did we get paid off for The Fly? Not that I can think of.
I've watched all of BCS, and have mostly enjoyed it, which is the reason I'm still watching. Has it been too much of a slow burn for me at times? Absolutely. I watched BB in real time. I re-watched it with my wife, who hadn't seen it, a couple of years ago. I watched a lot of the BB marathon leading up to this final half-season. Will I re-watch BCS like that? Zero chance.
Unlike some fanboys on here, I don't think every episode is a mini-Citizen Kane. I thought this was a discussion board where we can, you know, discuss things. Not an F16 echo chamber. The only people I see getting worked up in this thread are the ones who are aghast that everybody didn't think this was a great episode.
I think Belton Ag said exactly what some of us are thinking about this episode's placement in the series. I've even stated earlier that I thought this would have been fine for season 4 or 5, or even the first half of season 6. Or for that matter, probably as episode 12. For me, it didn't do anything to advance the story as we know it up till now. Will we get paid off later for it? Maybe/maybe not. Did we get paid off for The Fly? Not that I can think of.
I've watched all of BCS, and have mostly enjoyed it, which is the reason I'm still watching. Has it been too much of a slow burn for me at times? Absolutely. I watched BB in real time. I re-watched it with my wife, who hadn't seen it, a couple of years ago. I watched a lot of the BB marathon leading up to this final half-season. Will I re-watch BCS like that? Zero chance.
Unlike some fanboys on here, I don't think every episode is a mini-Citizen Kane. I thought this was a discussion board where we can, you know, discuss things. Not an F16 echo chamber. The only people I see getting worked up in this thread are the ones who are aghast that everybody didn't think this was a great episode.
I don't watch much TV, so I watch every second of the shows I do watch, like BCS. in fact, this season, I watch each episode twice - first time just to see what happened and second time to look for meaning I may have missed.
I thought after the first viewing - "seems like a lot of effort just to close off the cab driver making him". But then I watched it again.
The one thing I haven't seen anyone mention is what I thought was the most significant - Gene slipping on the signet ring. That was Saul Goodman's signature jewelery. Putting that ring back on, along with the advertising pic of Gene putting a red jacket back on, are all you need to know to tell you where this thing is going.
I thought after the first viewing - "seems like a lot of effort just to close off the cab driver making him". But then I watched it again.
The one thing I haven't seen anyone mention is what I thought was the most significant - Gene slipping on the signet ring. That was Saul Goodman's signature jewelery. Putting that ring back on, along with the advertising pic of Gene putting a red jacket back on, are all you need to know to tell you where this thing is going.
Out of the hundreds of people who frequent this thread, there are like 8 posters who have dominated the last few pages of discussion. Nothing is being solved, nothing is even really being discussed. Just a pointless argument about whether or not this episode should have been enjoyed, with the exact same points being made back and forth.
Can y'all please agree to can it?
Can y'all please agree to can it?
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