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If anyone would know, it's likely him...

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Agristotle
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You are doing major work on this thread.
Thank you
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No problem.
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Paul Hynek - "our future is post-biological"

Well, there's a theme of this thread.

Rep. Burlison so strongly endorsing Alberino, who had encouraged him to hire Grusch, and who definitely has military leakers, seems relevant here.
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Adrian Soler continues his very high-quality series exploring High Strangeness.

I believe he is Orthodox Christian, and this week's piece, listed fourth below, is a well thought out consideration of Fr. Seraphim Rose's position - which has significant limitations.

The physicality AND the metaphysics should be confronted together.

The UFO Question and the Architecture of Secrecy
https://www.unz.com/article/the-ufo-question-and-the-architecture-of-secrecy/

The UFO Question Is Not an American Question
https://www.unz.com/article/the-ufo-question-is-not-an-american-question/

The UFO Question and the Missing Physicists
https://www.unz.com/article/the-ufo-question-and-the-missing-physicists/

The UFO Question: Demons and High Strangeness
https://www.unz.com/article/the-ufo-question-demons-and-high-strangeness/
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So how do you reconcile Jorjoni's theory with the Alberino, Heiser framework?

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You can't. Jorjoni is very informed, especially historically, and has deep state people who talk to him, detailed in his talk with Michaels.

Also, he's a follower of Prometheus, and admits that's a cultural synonym for Lucifer.

This is semi-literal in his basically agnostic and secular worldview.

He is part of the occultist strain of continental right-wing (ie anti philosophical liberalism) metaphysics that was codified by Evola.
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Heiser and Alberino have some minor disagreements (and MH was narrowly a textual analyst) BUT the framework is the same:

- Emmanuel, God With Us, is a personal Spirit that created hominids for familial connection
- He leads a court / council as a monarch
- Sin separates, but we can return
- This is probably true for other creations though definitely not all
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SG smoking a higher level of opium now, yea?

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LOL all the talk lately has completely jumped the shark IMO. Everyone just trying to outdo everyone else with ridiculous, nonsensical claims that of course can't be verified or disproven. I fully admit to waffling when it comes to my levels of belief and skepticism, they rise and fall, and lately, as more and more stupid and stupider stuff is being claimed, it's got me almost 100% skeptic. If these people I'm supposed to believe are clearly willing to lie about some of it, then they are willing to lie about all of it, because there would be no need to add false stuff to the true stuff if the true stuff was true. And if these people I'm supposed to believe will themselves believe literally anything, and be duped by anything, then clearly they aren't objective and they lack discernment. And I'm sorry but it is obvious to anyone with even a little discernment that an enormous amount of what's being put out now is just comically, fantastically, stupidly false.

That said I am still interested, I want it to be true, I have opinions/theories that allow it to be true without conflicting with my faith or my worldview, I still hope we get some sort of real proof of *something*, but the fact is, we have nothing and with each passing week, the people we're supposed to believe are looking less and less credilbe IMO. I want it to be true, but show me something real. People often wonder "why isn't this a bigger story, why aren't people more into this?!?" and all that, and the reason is simple. The claims demand evidence. So far there isn't any compelling evidence.
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The evidence is overwhelming. AND there are fraudsters like Greer, proven so by Jimmy Akin among others. AND he might have some legitimacy, just as Elizando can be legitimate AND correctly called out by UAPGerb as shady
So perhaps - our tech, enemy tech, liars and frauds, ETs visiting and also in oceans and underground, angels and demons and hyper-dimensional and hybrids….

If materialism is false, and discernment is difficult, and life is big and messy and complex, then the Alberino type framework of Multivariate and Hyper-Dimensional, also mine, is worthy of consideration.

Why is the evidence overwhelming?

Because JUST BY THE STANDARDS OF MATERIALISM, very significant High Strangeness is obviously and persistently present. A good summary is in the first of the four articles I linked above yesterday afternoon.
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Do you schedule these posts? Like, was there a trove of them stored up and scheduled a couple years ago to post once every six weeks or so? Because that's the only thing that makes sense, re: your pathological need to drop in and spew the exact same, ill-informed, in-denial, clearly scared, mocking tone over and over and over and over again. I've said it before and I'll say it again - skepticism is healthy. But whatever this is, it's so obvious that it's coming from a deep, desperate need for this reality not to be true. It's also obnoxious as hell.
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LOL calm down my man
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Not sure what you think I'm scared of but regardless, "ill-informed" is not remotely accurate. Skeptical despite all the information is more accurate.
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People on this thread literally talking about big foot and aliens having sex with humans and if I push back on it, I'm the obnoxious one? Ok sure. At some point, there must be a limit to what everyone will just blindly accept as fact, right? Apparently not...
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Anyway, you seem easily offended, but maybe you neglected to read where I said I actually hope this stuff is real. I *want* this. I'm an ally in that regard. I'm on your team in that respect. I check this thread multiple times a day hoping for new interesting stuff. I devour info on it. But people need to be careful about wanting something to be true so bad they just stop having a filter for obvious nonsense and a skeptical eye in general.
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Sorry for the multi posts... last question specifically for you, what did I say that was false or condescending or fearful? I re-read my post to check my tone and I'm not seeing it.
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Eh, I don't believe it. Your posting history/habits say otherwise. Seeing as you've posted the exact same rant, like clockwork, over and over again for a couple years now, every six weeks or so, with virtually no other contributions to this thread in between.
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Sorry I offended you by talking about aliens on the thread designed for people to talk about aliens but didn't talk about aliens in exactly the way you personally want me to talk about aliens. I'll try to do better. We do appreciate your work as the moderator of this site and the gatekeeper of all opinions.

Teasing aside, I've been into the topic ever since 1997 when I saw a UFO, with a friend who also saw it. Didn't know what it was then and still don't know but it's fascinating. I saw another a few years ago on the way to College Station. Don't know what that was either. Both were outside of any explanation I can come up with. You have no idea how many poor souls have had to listen to me talk their ears off about about this topic in the last few years especially. I do think there's a lack of healthy skepticism among most of the fans of the topic though.
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watty said:

Sorry I offended you by talking about aliens on the thread designed for people to talk about aliens but didn't talk about aliens in exactly the way you personally want me to talk about aliens. I'll try to do better. We do appreciate your work as the moderator of this site and the gatekeeper of all opinions.

Teasing aside, I've been into the topic ever since 1997 when I saw a UFO, with a friend who also saw it. Didn't know what it was then and still don't know but it's fascinating. I saw another a few years ago on the way to College Station. Don't know what that was either. Both were outside of any explanation I can come up with. You have no idea how many poor souls have had to listen to me talk their ears off about about this topic in the last few years especially. I do think there's a lack of healthy skepticism among most of the fans of the topic though.

It's good to have healthy skepticism. It just gets tiresome with a lot of posters and the drive-by insults.

You have experienced - didn't know what it is - is skeptical. Welcome to the team!
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I'm not offended in the least. Nor do I care what your position is on the subject. I simply find your repetitive, drop-in, drive-by rants annoying, that's all.
watty
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We again thank you for your moderation of the board. Your willingness to hear differing opinions is an inspiration to all of us.
Redstone
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Quote:

big foot and aliens having sex with humans


Uh, this is extremely related to the conversation of the thread, it has been detailed why extensively, and any longtime reader would accept the POSSIBILITY.
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A big reason why I wrote the above is:

first-hand testimony by credible people is full of forced sex / extraction stories - and that's been true, with consistently across time and environment, since mid-20th Century.

It's impossible to take this topic seriously and then deride those testimonies.

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Bro you had 5 back to back posts lol

What triggered you? Steven Greer?
He is a very triggering personality
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Again, I could not care less about "differing opinions" being posted. I love the debate. It's your general, mocking tone, and the fact that you contribute nothing but incredulous skepticism, like clockwork, once every six weeks, in drive-by fashion.
watty
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Yes you clearly love the debate lol...

You're right that I do have a mocking tone, occasionally. Some of this stuff desperately needs to be mocked, that's the point. Not everything is worthy of serious consideration. The fact that a lot of people here believe literally anything is actually what keeps this from being a serious discussion. You could address the points I made, if you loved the debate as you claim to.

I'm here (and have been for literal years, adding contributions, questions, and criticisms) for serious discussion on the topic. My point about how the nonsense is actually pushing me *away* from belief (despite that fact that I want to believe and I'm disappointed every time the thing just turns out to be a balloon) is one that maybe should be taken seriously. As I said, y'all are often wondering why this issue doesn't get taken seriously? I'm literally answering that, and I'm someone who is incredibly interested in the topic! So don't be surprised when the gen-pop rolls their eyes at everything. If the people pushing the topic out to the world aren't willing to have any limits to what they'll believe, credibility suffers. I've been saying that on this thread for a long time. Apparently being an active member here, reading literally every post, posting for years, and being consistent while also asking questions and contributing valid thoughts is super bothersome to you, "annoying," and something something "drive-by" something something.

Anyhoo, go ahead and tell me how much you love the debate again while ignoring everything I say and calling me annoying for not nodding my head to every single theory that's shared. Super fun for everyone.
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Truce please. Let's don't get the mods mad.

I'm ready for some movement from our government on this. Feels like they have some kind of roll out ready to go. No answers of course but more questions.
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