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Right, M'Bega's comment about her being alone then the events of the episode just puts her back emotionally where she was at the start.

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Yeah, you would think Section 31 would have time traveling therapists on staff that would help Starfleet officers dealing with post-temporal stress. I guess all of the fancy time traveling devices are so expensive that they didn't have enough left in the budget for a psychiatry department.

Loki, Ms Minutes and the TVA will be along shortly to sort out all these alternate timelines.

the TVA vs the Department of Temporal Investigations for ultimate timeline watchdog supremacy

Another fun episode. I'm not digging too deep into the timelines like some.

La'an was looking pretty good in her Toronto gear. She and Kirk had some chemistry.

Yeah, I kept dozing during this one, which isn't a good thing to do during a timeline episode.

I'm a big fan of Pike and he really hadn't been much of a factor in the last two episodes.

I also have a hard time because Capt. Kirk looks so much like Ace Ventura!

Like tos, this show is up and way down for me. TOs had higher highs…better overall characters, etc., imo, but pretty bad lows too. I mean…spock's brain !?

I really liked some of the episodes in s1. Some not so much.

Side note, i cant get over the freakin hairdos, so bad it is hilariously distracting. I cant say i have ever even noticed hairdos on tv shows bf, but my god. Spock has a dead skunk on his head, the captain has the worst elvis stack ever, uhura just sportin a boring fro-helmet, the chick that looks just like the chick from the expanse looks…just like the chick from the expanse…she aint no bo derek. Nurse chapel is hot, though did her s1/spock thing get blocked by her being gay or something? I cant remember. Anyway, she clearly doesnt own a brush, despite being able to print one along with a ham sammich if she wanted. The helm chick looks like every wanna be skater girl trying to rack up alphabet cred, its bizarre.

That said a lot of the characters are pretty good. The doctor is just such a charismatic guy, i think he may be my favorite. The transporter ghost daughter may be a bit out of place on a military ship, but is such an interesting philosophical plot line.

One of the cool things about tos was its vision of progressive meritocracy.

My biggest issue with this show is that the writers can't seem to help letting their modern 'woke' perversion of that ideology bleed through. Ship captains can't really effectively lead when their relationship is more like a freaking samalier (sp?) party host than military co. Quick input from trusted advisors followed by quick decisions that risk lives - that requires a different relationship.

Similarly, a bunch of smug, giggling idiots dont become military officers, and then go around stealing starships on a hunch.

At least when tos occasionally broke regs, they treated the decision with due respect and only avoided court martial by time warp or alien intervention or some *****

They jumped the shark and missed the required gravity and certainty required of such a decision, likely because the writers can't comprehend


whatever But s2e1 was just horrible.

And too many characters are just pudgy soy meat puppets. I want my heroes and sci fi military character stars to be fit, badass characters. Sorry if that is old fashioned.

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Like tos, this show is up and way down for me. TOs had higher highs…better overall characters, etc., imo, but pretty bad lows too. I mean…spock's brain !?

I really liked some of the episodes in s1. Some not so much.

Side note, i cant get over the freakin hairdos, so bad it is hilariously distracting. I cant say i have ever even noticed hairdos on tv shows bf, but my god. Spock has a dead skunk on his head, the captain has the worst elvis stack ever, uhura just sportin a boring fro-helmet, the chick that looks just like the chick from the expanse looks…just like the chick from the expanse…she aint no bo derek. Nurse chapel is hot, though did her s1/spock thing get blocked by her being gay or something? I cant remember. Anyway, she clearly doesnt own a brush, despite being able to print one along with a ham sammich if she wanted. The helm chick looks like every wanna be skater girl trying to rack up alphabet cred, its bizarre.

That said a lot of the characters are pretty good. The doctor is just such a charismatic guy, i think he may be my favorite. The transporter ghost daughter may be a bit out of place on a military ship, but is such an interesting philosophical plot line.

One of the cool things about tos was its vision of progressive meritocracy.

My biggest issue with this show is that the writers can't seem to help letting their modern 'woke' perversion of that ideology bleed through. Ship captains can't really effectively lead when their relationship is more like a freaking samalier (sp?) party host than military co. Quick input from trusted advisors followed by quick decisions that risk lives - that requires a different relationship.

Similarly, a bunch of smug, giggling idiots dont become military officers, and then go around stealing starships on a hunch.

At least when tos occasionally broke regs, they treated the decision with due respect and only avoided court martial by time warp or alien intervention or some *****

They jumped the shark and missed the required gravity and certainty required of such a decision, likely because the writers can't comprehend


whatever But s2e1 was just horrible.

And too many characters are just pudgy soy meat puppets. I want my heroes and sci fi military character stars to be fit, badass characters. Sorry if that is old fashioned.

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Someone pooped in your oatmeal didn't they?

Yup

Episode 3 was a gut punch for me.

One more thing - The Romulan said she arrived back in 1992. In the original series, the Eugenics Wars were in the 1990's. Apparently, something changed in the timeline and the wars didn't happen in the 90's, Earth has been "held back" and the augments are created later.

Strange New Worlds is in a different timeline than the original series.

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One more thing - The Romulan said she arrived back in 1992. In the original series, the Eugenics Wars were in the 1990's. Apparently, something changed in the timeline and the wars didn't happen in the 90's, Earth has been "held back" and the augments are created later.

Strange New Worlds is in a different timeline than the original series.

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obviously so.

didnt watch 2

ep 3 was ok entertainment if you didn't think about it much.

if you think about it much, it is pretty insulting to waste a captain kirk death with a whole different actor who has nothing in common with young shatner... and have James T. Kirk just content to eat hot dogs and then get shot to death doing nothing but bluffing a frumpy spy, accomplishing nothing.

that is about as insultingly bad as some of the recent star wars garbage.

Really enjoyed episode 3. Episode 1 was okay. Not a fan of episode 2. Need some more gorn but really enjoy some good monster of the week type episodes.

Really think cbs is missing an opportunity by not having this on cbs. I think it would do really well

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One more thing - The Romulan said she arrived back in 1992. In the original series, the Eugenics Wars were in the 1990's. Apparently, something changed in the timeline and the wars didn't happen in the 90's, Earth has been "held back" and the augments are created later.

Strange New Worlds is in a different timeline than the original series.

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From what I can put together, we have 3 timelines for the franchise now: prime timeline, JJ reboot movies, and SNW/Discovery/Lower Decks. I was listening to a video on YouTube that Goldman basically admitted to updating things for the show to make it feel more like our world.

I re-watched episode 3. Most excellent. Remember, it's sci-Fi fantasy: anything goes. Everybody has their own timeline. It's an all skate.

I thought episode 4 was another good one. Fun concept.

I'm enjoying the mostly standalone nature of the episodes more than I thought I would. It's a refreshing change in the days of every drama series being so serialized.

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Really liked that Kirk in 3.

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Me too. At first it seemed awkward but by the end of the episode I thought it was a great take on portraying Kirk.

The apology Pike had to his gf at the end of episode 4 was possibly the most genuine thing I've seen on tv in years.

Havent seen ep 4 yet but we sure are in a new world. Do the most notable things starship captains do really include giving the most sincere apologies, serving dinner to their crews, disappearing from whole episodes, or being satisfied to wander around eating hot dogs, and basically moping around fearing a future death? I dont remember much else about them, though im sure one of them did something worthwhile in this series.

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another great, fun eipsode, and spock almost dropping an f-bomb.

i like how we are getting epsiodes about indivdiual characters instead of Team Enterprise vs the Universe.

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It feels like a step back considering where tv has gone for the last decade . . . But I love it? Kind of nice not to have everything be so serialized. I miss the days of network tv with overarching themes for the season but self contained episodes like Fringe

Agree with most of your points. It was a decent, almost good episode. I agree that this was a very implausible ending. It felt like the writers realized that they were running out of time to resolve the dilemma and figured, Oh eff it. Blow the damn thing up.

To me, the most frustrating issue in this episode is the ability for one, crazed person, to almost blow up the most powerful ship in the galaxy. Admittedly, this has been going on since TOS. But in this episode, someone who isn't even a member of the crew knows exactly how to sneak around search parties. shoot one hidden conduit and plunge the entire ship into darkness. Then enter engineering and flip a couple of switches to blow up the core. ARE THERE NO SAFETY LOCKOUTS ON THIS 24th CENTURY STARSHIP?


ETA: Yes, Carol Kane is hard to watch.

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another great, fun eipsode, and spock almost dropping an f-bomb.

i like how we are getting epsiodes about indivdiual characters instead of Team Enterprise vs the Universe.

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It feels like a step back considering where tv has gone for the last decade . . . But I love it? Kind of nice not to have everything be so serialized. I miss the days of network tv with overarching themes for the season but self contained episodes like Fringe

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Fringe? Self contained? Fringe eventually had an arc throughout the seasons, regardless of the episode plot. Sometimes it was a subplot moving it slowly along though.

Misread, my bad