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In reply to Ghost of Bisbee • 10:10p, 7/13/23
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In the last 20 years, I can only think of 3 new Disney creations/IP that have been universally praised to worldwide acclaim and will be deemed classics for years to come like Little Mermaid, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, etc.

Monsters Inc
Toy Story 3
Frozen

That's weak compared to the power they held in the 70s-90s
So...not really.

The 70s-late 80s were not a good time for Disney animation, that's the period after Walt's death where they got a bit experimental. The Disney Rennaisance starting with Little Mermaid might be more the period you're thinking of.

There's also been some really strong films since then as others have noted, but definitely more wide ranging themes and stories (some that have worked and some that haven't).
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as previously questioned...

how is Disney+ going to maintain or increase subscribers by decreasing content?

and tying into another previous comment...

hopefully Iger realizes...he needs to make movies that can be shown in China and the Middle East

it's not difficult -- learn to say 'no' to certain things
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In reply to W • 11:09p, 7/13/23
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Hulu. By the end of this year/early next, he's combining the two streamers into one, under Disney+. They have to wait for the contract to expire, though, when they can by out Comcast for the rest of the Hulu ownership. That happens in just a few months.
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11:23p, 7/13/23
While your at it cut out all that woke gay crap in both franchises!!!
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Who were the writers/directors for Echo?


It was me. I tried my best.
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I would be very curious what shows the House of Mouse wants to continue. And which shows they feel are diluting the brands.
my family loves Big City Greens so we hope that continues


This show is on the tv right now. Definitely funnier than I expected it to be when it first showed up. Loved the Tom Hanks and Danny Devito appearances!
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jokershady said:
Dekker_Lentz said:
I would be very curious what shows the House of Mouse wants to continue. And which shows they feel are diluting the brands.
my family loves Big City Greens so we hope that continues


This show is on the tv right now. Definitely funnier than I expected it to be when it first showed up. Loved the Tom Hanks and Danny Devito appearances!
Surprised you didn't mention Danny Trejos character that's in a bunch of episodes.

And we watch this show as a family! Definitely have been a few episodes that hit home a little more than expected over the years.

Also enjoy how every once in a while they take some good shots at millineals, hipsters, and city slickers.
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8:46a, 7/14/23
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I think they were putting the wrong kind of stuff on TV. I think there is room for weird projects and comedies for Star Wars and Marvel.
Loki, Hawkeye, Secret Invasion, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Andor, etc. would have all been better movies.

Wandavision worked as a TV series satirizing TV series, I'd fit it under weird projects. Legion worked on TV. She-Hulk could have worked on TV had it focused more on comedy law room procedural. The stuff that didn't work was trying to be a part of a the larger MCU narrative.
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In reply to Quad Dog • 8:52a, 7/14/23
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This is a good take.
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Ms. Marvel too. It worked as a traditional TV family sitcom with a super hero, but it didn't work when it went outside that to the larger MCU narrative.
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In reply to Quad Dog • 9:15a, 7/14/23
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I think they were putting the wrong kind of stuff on TV. I think there is room for weird projects and comedies for Star Wars and Marvel.
Loki, Hawkeye, Secret Invasion, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Andor, etc. would have all been better movies.

Wandavision worked as a TV series satirizing TV series, I'd fit it under weird projects. Legion worked on TV. She-Hulk could have worked on TV had it focused more on comedy law room procedural. The stuff that didn't work was trying to be a part of a the larger MCU narrative.


Good points. And that disconnect is one of the reasons I think the Netflix Marvel series worked for me. I didn't need to try to work out how Daredevil or Punisher were going to feature in the next Avengers movie. It was just a different type of show.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 9:35a, 7/14/23
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More importantly, I hope they just focus on quality over quantity.

More Andor, less Boba Fett.
this, all day.
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Andor would not have been better as a movie. It would have been really rushed to fit that much into 90-120 minutes
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Andor would not have been better as a movie. It would have been really rushed to fit that much into 90-120 minutes
This. Also, a prequel movie for a prequel movie just….ugh…..doesn't sound appealing at all even for one as awesome as Rogue One.

Glad they made it a show.
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Disagree, I think it could have been two movies maybe, first ending after the prison break. A lot of time on that show was wasted on the Andors childhood and that imperial dude who lost his job neither of them ended up mattering at all. Also they wasted a ton of time showing them build giant cogs, we got the gist after 2 minutes, but it just went on and on.
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5:38p, 7/14/23
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Since we are on Disney+ series topics, I have yet to watch Mandalorian Season 3 as it didn't hear good things about it. Is it worth watching and sticking with or should I just end it after the two seasons that I've watched?
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In reply to jokershady • 5:41p, 7/14/23
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jokershady said:
HeavyMetalAg said:
jokershady said:
Dekker_Lentz said:
I would be very curious what shows the House of Mouse wants to continue. And which shows they feel are diluting the brands.
my family loves Big City Greens so we hope that continues


This show is on the tv right now. Definitely funnier than I expected it to be when it first showed up. Loved the Tom Hanks and Danny Devito appearances!
Surprised you didn't mention Danny Trejos character that's in a bunch of episodes.

And we watch this show as a family! Definitely have been a few episodes that hit home a little more than expected over the years.

Also enjoy how every once in a while they take some good shots at millineals, hipsters, and city slickers.


Oh my gosh…how did I not notice Trejo is Vasquez??? Great stuff!
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In reply to Gap • 5:51p, 7/14/23
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Since we are on Disney+ series topics, I have yet to watch Mandalorian Season 3 as it didn't hear good things about it. Is it worth watching and sticking with or should I just end it after the two seasons that I've watched?
You're probably going to need to understand what happened in the season for the Mando-verse shows if they continue. Not sure if you will for Ahsoka though.
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7:20p, 7/14/23
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Thinking about it, we all should have had a bad feeling as soon as Kathleen Kennedy started announcing about a dozen different SW projects after the success of Mandalorian. We should have realized they were just trying to clone and repackage it like they did with Marvel.

Also to Iger's point, I think Disney and Kennedy were thinking that with that many projects, at least some of them had to be home runs. The problem is they should have considered the inverse as well. Some of them would assuredly end up like crap. It's probably better to focus on a few projects and make them really exceptional than shotgun and throw money at everything. A lot more pellets will miss the mark than hit it, but if you're taking your time and shooting bullets, you have a much better chance of putting them all on target.
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If only Disney has retained a lesson learned from their direct to VHS movie years.
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6:24a, 7/15/23
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This goes back to Netflix, how the hell do they make money with all the **** they shotgun out.
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I think they were putting the wrong kind of stuff on TV. I think there is room for weird projects and comedies for Star Wars and Marvel.
Loki, Hawkeye, Secret Invasion, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Andor, etc. would have all been better movies.

Wandavision worked as a TV series satirizing TV series, I'd fit it under weird projects. Legion worked on TV. She-Hulk could have worked on TV had it focused more on comedy law room procedural. The stuff that didn't work was trying to be a part of a the larger MCU narrative.


In their defense, we've had a seismic change in movie viewing and streaming, and that has contributed greatly to these decisions, with Covid playing a role. Most the major studios, including Disney, pivoted hard into streaming in 2020. Streaming was the future.
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In reply to jokershady • 10:51a, 7/15/23
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I forgot about Lilo and Stitch. Pretty sure there was a show during the 90s/early 2000s as well.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
More importantly, I hope they just focus on quality over quantity.

More Andor, less Boba Fett.
In effect, this is what Iger is doing as he has reportedly given control of content back to the creative heads vs the financial heads who previously ran things. It will be interesting to see where that ends up considering all of the political controversy in the background of this.
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In reply to W • 11:08a, 7/15/23
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as previously questioned...

how is Disney+ going to maintain or increase subscribers by decreasing content?

and tying into another previous comment...

hopefully Iger realizes...he needs to make movies that can be shown in China and the Middle East

it's not difficult -- learn to say 'no' to certain things
He does realize this financially, but I hope they continue down the path of telling China to pound sand and it's going to be out of his hands anyway to some degree. With the increasing tensions between US and China, there has already been a pullback in making Chinese versions of these movies anyway because Disney didn't want to run afoul of the federal government and its ongoing soft war with China. There was a pretty lengthy article on this several months back that was pretty informative here. Want to say it was Vanity Fair if someone wants to look it up.

Besides, censorship because one country hates freedom of speech shouldn't drive your content and P&L.
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In reply to YouBet • 11:52a, 7/15/23
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
More importantly, I hope they just focus on quality over quantity.

More Andor, less Boba Fett.
In effect, this is what Iger is doing as he has reportedly given control of content back to the creative heads vs the financial heads who previously ran things. It will be interesting to see where that ends up considering all of the political controversy in the background of this.
I wonder which creative heads were chosen or if they even came from Story Group.
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YouBet said:
Brian Earl Spilner said:
More importantly, I hope they just focus on quality over quantity.

More Andor, less Boba Fett.
In effect, this is what Iger is doing as he has reportedly given control of content back to the creative heads vs the financial heads who previously ran things. It will be interesting to see where that ends up considering all of the political controversy in the background of this.
I wonder which creative heads were chosen or if they even came from Story Group.
Actually announced back in February. I think we missed this:


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The new structure at Disney would essentially put all key business operations, from content distribution to programming budgets and ad sales, under top entertainment executives.

That means those executives, in addition to being the tastemakers who pick and develop the company's shows and movies, will also be in charge of how to distribute themwhether via a streaming platform or traditional outletand how to promote and make money off them.

The reorganization essentially undoes the structure put in place by Mr. Iger's predecessor, Bob Chapek, who had given those functions to business executives. That approach had been a source of tension inside Disney, as key creative leaders were frustrated with their loss of autonomy.

"Our strategic restructuring will return creativity to the center of the company, increase accountability, improve results, and ensure the quality of our content and experiences," Mr. Iger said in a statement.


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The reorganization announced Thursday included the elimination of Disney Media and Entertainment Distribution, a division created by Mr. Chapek as a clearinghouse for all decisions about distribution of content produced by Disney's studios.

Under Mr. Iger's realignment, three executives will be in charge of the company's vast entertainment and sports operations. Dana Walden, who had overseen Disney's general entertainment unit, including content creation for ABC, Disney+, Hulu and other cable channels, is being paired with movie-studio chief Alan Bergman, who oversees brands such as Pixar, Marvel and LucasFilm, as co-chairs of the newly created Disney Entertainment unit.

ESPN Chairman Jimmy Pitaro will broaden his portfolio as well, adding oversight of ad sales, distribution and technology for ESPN and its sister channels, as well as the ESPN+ streaming service. Amid speculation that Disney might explore a deal to hive off ESPN, Mr. Iger said Wednesday he had no plans to sell or spin off the sports-media business [YB-this comment now outdated with comments made this week].

Business functions including ad sales, distribution and technology will now report to Ms. Walden, Mr. Bergman and Mr. Pitaro.

Among executives leaving as a result of the restructuring is Rebecca Campbell, the head of Disney's international operations and a longtime company executive who has held many crucial leadership roles during her tenure there. The leadership team under her will now report directly to Disney Entertainment and ESPN.
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12:45p, 7/15/23
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Sounds like they are going to focus more on crap adult fare going forward. Following also from February so possibly out of date:

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He said Disney would "aggressively curate" its general entertainment content, which includes more mature Hulu content such as "The Kardashians," "Pam & Tommy" and "The Dropout," that appeals to a wider range of age groups.

Hulu is two-thirds owned by Disney and one-third owned by Comcast Corp. Under an arrangement reached in 2019, Disney has the right to buy out Comcast's stake at a fair-market value, starting in early 2024, and Comcast also has the right to force a sale of its stake.

Mr. Iger surprised Disney-watchers Thursday by suggesting that another path could be explored in which it might be the seller. In an interview with CNBC, he said while Hulu is a successful platform, "everything's on the table right now," and added that the widely held assumption that Disney would take full control of Hulu "isn't necessarily the case."

Both Messrs. Iger and Chapek have emphasized the importance of adult-targeted content to Disney's future.
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I would welcome Disney selling off Hulu, as there is almost nothing on Hulu I care about. I hope that would drop the D+ bundle price.
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My two cents on the challenges Disney is facing with both properties.

Disney absolutely caught lightening in a bottle with the Avengers/Infinity War series of films. I don't think this can be replicated. The guys that put this together were genius. Let me put it another way. Disney got the Gen X dad demographic to go all in on a super hero franchise. I can't tell you how many dads ended up seeing Iron Man on tv on a lazy Sunday afternoon and said "wow, this is pretty good". I saw bits of pieces of several of the first round of MCU's on tv or on DVD's we would get for the kids for road trips. I took my kid and his friend to The Avengers in the theatre when he was six and honestly had the time of my life. It then turned in to a family event right on thru End Game. Even my wife got in to it.

Then Tony died and my interest completely cratered. Honestly, it's not the woke stuff. The story just ended for the Gen X dads (and many moms). I don't do super heroes and comic books. But I did for that. Because it was that good. I don't know how Disney gets those viewers and their money back.

For Star Wars, outside of Rogue One and Andor the product has just sucked. Literally that simple. They killed the nostalgia factor for Gen X and failed to come even close to re-creating the cultural phenom that Lucas did with the OT. It's just a mediocre to outright bad product. Not a hot take. Even Andor, which was a high quality product, didn't get that much fanfare. And by the time it came out, my friends that grew up SW nerds were so fatigued no one seemed to even bother giving it a try.
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It's still absolutely amazing how the same company that essentially oversaw the tight coordination of the MCU allowed the disjunctive clusterf-ck that was the SW sequel trilogy.
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My two cents on the challenges Disney is facing with both properties.

Disney absolutely caught lightening in a bottle with the Avengers/Infinity War series of films. I don't think this can be replicated. The guys that put this together were genius. Let me put it another way. Disney got the Gen X dad demographic to go all in on a super hero franchise. I can't tell you how many dads ended up seeing Iron Man on tv on a lazy Sunday afternoon and said "wow, this is pretty good". I saw bits of pieces of several of the first round of MCU's on tv or on DVD's we would get for the kids for road trips. I took my kid and his friend to The Avengers in the theatre when he was six and honestly had the time of my life. It then turned in to a family event right on thru End Game. Even my wife got in to it.

Then Tony died and my interest completely cratered. Honestly, it's not the woke stuff. The story just ended for the Gen X dads (and many moms). I don't do super heroes and comic books. But I did for that. Because it was that good. I don't know how Disney gets those viewers and their money back.

For Star Wars, outside of Rogue One and Andor the product has just sucked. Literally that simple. They killed the nostalgia factor for Gen X and failed to come even close to re-creating the cultural phenom that Lucas did with the OT. It's just a mediocre to outright bad product. Not a hot take. Even Andor, which was a high quality product, didn't get that much fanfare. And by the time it came out, my friends that grew up SW nerds were so fatigued no one seemed to even bother giving it a try.
Agree with you on Marvel but I think the other aspect to that is that the Avengers storyline also leaned on anchor pole characters. Once you exhausted the main arc for those characters you are left with the B to D level heroes that far fewer people know or have interest in.

That leaves you with the Fantastic Four and the X Men. Their immediate saving grace is rebooting the X Men which has already been announced. The first run of that is now old enough in Hollywood years to be up for a reboot.

Fantastic Four is just boring as hell to me and has failed 3? times already. I know there are a lot of fans who believe in a true Dr. Doom as the next archvillain and maybe they can finally pull that off if that is the direction they go, but they had already announced Kang as the next big phase.

With Kang's legal troubles and Iger's announced slowing and cut backs to Marvel, seems like we can infer and almost assume anything that has been announced or planned is no longer set in stone.
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In reply to YouBet • 1:21p, 7/15/23
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After Endgame they should have moved directly into setting up the X-Men reboot. It was the perfect time. Instead, spending an entire phase of every character essentially sulking in the fallout from the blip, with no new central villain to setup, will go down as one of the most bone-headed franchise moves ever.

I'm also in agreement that Fantastic Four is a lame duck. I'm sorry, but no one outside of core comic book fans gives a sh*t about those characters at this point. Maybe if they set the first one in the '60s or something, and it pops as something unique and different, then have them go off to space and rejoin in present day for later movies. Something along those lines.

Otherwise, waiting until 2026 to reintroduce the X-Men feels like such a needless stall.
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Couldn't agree more on FF. They've tried and failed twice with Fantastic Four. It's just not nearly the popular property they think it is.

Every time I hear casting news about that reboot, I just don't care.
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In reply to Gap • 2:42p, 7/15/23
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Since we are on Disney+ series topics, I have yet to watch Mandalorian Season 3 as it didn't hear good things about it. Is it worth watching and sticking with or should I just end it after the two seasons that I've watched?
My 11 year old daughter was a baby Yoda super fan. Shirts, posters, hats, backpacks, probably has 10 dolls. To the point of traveling through the airport with her Baby Yoda in her arms a few years ago.

We're 3 episodes through Season three and it's been painful to get motivated for more. Totally lost steam and I think she only watches them now for me as a bonding event.
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