And I agree on Cirie, they didn't do her game justice on CBS. She would have been so much better off without Jared. He was objectively an awful player, and single-handedly killed her game when he went to Jag about Matt saving him.

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I'm not going to get into whether he deserves to win or not, but from a viewer's perspective it makes it pretty boring when someone racks up comp wins like this.

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That's where it's up to production to provide a better cast that isn't there just to promote themselves or become little tv stars and bull**** like that.

JAG's wins are crazy, but 2-person teams in the past have been super fun seasons to watch. Once Dan won a veto in BB10, he and Memphis went every week the rest of the way being either HOH, POV, or both. But that season you had Dan's crazy move on April/Ollie which made him a villain, you had an 75 year old former marine texas hardass in Jerry, Renny was a nutzo woman, Keesha was an emotional wreck. The final weeks continued to be great TV with what they had to work with.

BB16 gave you people that you loved to hate while Derrick and Cody were racking up HOH/POV's down the stretch in a similar fashion.

Cirie and Jared should never have been cast together. It's BS to begin with...

My guess is he applied to play and they told him you can if you can get her to play with you....

Bunk Moreland said:

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My guess is the opposite...she told her production insiders she wanted her son to become a reality star and they said ok but we need your fame to go along with it.

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This would make sense, since she kind-of checked out for a little while when he got evicted.

CBS reality shows became very incestuous some years ago. They've almost created a roster of people and their connections. They still cast some outsiders (see our very own Cliff Hogg) but often times people get pushed through the casting rounds thanks to connections.

Rachel Reilly got multiple people on the show. We've all seen multiple family members come on. Some have admitted it on feeds accidentally but I think when there's no blood relation they're told not to bring it up. Internet sleuths generally find out which ones are which. Jared/Cirie was obviously a game twist so it was known.

Bunk Moreland said:

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My guess is the opposite...she told her production insiders she wanted her son to become a reality star and they said ok but we need your fame to go along with it.

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I guess more so what I mean is CBS said she had to be a part for him to get a spot

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ElephantRider said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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My guess is the opposite...she told her production insiders she wanted her son to become a reality star and they said ok but we need your fame to go along with it.

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This would make sense, since she kind-of checked out for a little while when he got evicted.

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they even had that Zombie challenge to get Jared back in but that didn't work out for him.

And Jag had a social game, he just limited it to people that could help him. He brought in Cam for a bit. Then turned his attention to Bowie Jane down the line to get her to do what he needed. He even got Cirie evicted on Matt's HOH with no significant blow back.

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That's not a social game though. Being able to only talk to those who share your interest isn't being social. He can't carry conversations with people, he doesn't speak openly and he can't lie at all.

Oh yeah, absolutely.

Jag wins the final HoH and evicts Bowie.

Jag cost himself $750k

RAP15 said:

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Gina Marie level jury performance from Matt.

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Wasn't the best but I still think the jury gives him the win. Jag came out with the villain speeches in the jury performance.

Sports-Ag said:

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RAP15 said:

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Gina Marie level jury performance from Matt.

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Wasn't the best but I still think the jury gives him the win. Jag came out with the villain speeches in the jury performance.

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Idk it was pretty bad. I'm leaning towards Jag

Glad Jag won, he did deserve it. When the jury was voting and inserting their keys it did sound like they were voting for Jag but wasn't sure if they were lying to him.

Everyone voted for Jag except Cirie and Felicia.

Cameron won America favorite houseguest.

Yeah, Jag came across as lecturing and almost yelling at them. But with as bad as Matt choked it didn't matter.

What's the thought of how much the jury speeches and questions matter? I'd assume most of the jury have their mind made up before that, but honestly don't know......

Jag won 5-2, with only Felicia and Cirie voting for Matt. I would be interested in knowing how many jurors were "on the fence" at voting time. It may have been decided before the Q&A.

JAG
Cam
Cory
America
FBJ
Blue

MATT
Felicia
Cirie

I think Matt actually played a great game and it may have been more just his personality rather than strategic choice - but he could have won if he presented a stronger argument on how he went about things. Winning as much as possible, partnering with Jag and other strong players, and all while playing the best social game and not stabbing anyone in the back... He tried to tell that story a bit, but oration and framing just aren't his skill set... I think he could have won with a better presentation especially with Jag going full dictator in his speeches.

But that said, Jag was the more deserving winner. Enjoyed the season a lot.

While Jag was talking, I was yelling at the TV: "Jury management is part of the game, Jag!"

He is lucky that this jury was capable of putting that aside, well, except Cirie and Felicia, but he was never getting their votes.

This jury mostly gave away who they were voting for with their final statements putting the keys in.

Yeah Matt could've had this in the bag, biggest issue is no one could put together his involvement in the game. This was mostly because of his inability to tell people they were getting evicted, Jag made a point to do it.

Jag came off super ****** in his q and a, and speech.

One last post before I see y'all next year...

https://screenrant.com/big-brother-season-25-houseguests-gameplay-ranked/#big-brother-25-rsquo-s-matt-klotz

Ranked Gameplay

17 Luke
16 Kirsten
15 Reilly
14 Bowie Jane
13 Red
12 Mecole
11 Cameron
10 Felicia
9 Hisam
8 Blue
7 Matt
6 Izzy
5 Jared
4 America
3 Cirie
2 Jag
1 Cory

Yeah. He had a huge advantage by having a built in partner and still managed to **** it up by blowing up his own game.

Rex Racer said:

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zap said:

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One last post before I see y'all next year...

https://screenrant.com/big-brother-season-25-houseguests-gameplay-ranked/#big-brother-25-rsquo-s-matt-klotz

Ranked Gameplay

17 Luke
16 Kirsten
15 Reilly
14 Bowie Jane
13 Red
12 Mecole
11 Cameron
10 Felicia
9 Hisam
8 Blue
7 Matt
6 Izzy
5 Jared
4 America
3 Cirie
2 Jag
1 Cory

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Jared's gameplay was TERRIBLE.

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He was more of a "comp beast" than jag was...

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Rex Racer said:

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zap said:

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One last post before I see y'all next year...

https://screenrant.com/big-brother-season-25-houseguests-gameplay-ranked/#big-brother-25-rsquo-s-matt-klotz

Ranked Gameplay

17 Luke
16 Kirsten
15 Reilly
14 Bowie Jane
13 Red
12 Mecole
11 Cameron
10 Felicia
9 Hisam
8 Blue
7 Matt
6 Izzy
5 Jared
4 America
3 Cirie
2 Jag
1 Cory

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Jared's gameplay was TERRIBLE.

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He was more of a "comp beast" than jag was...

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Yet failed miserably when going up against Cam to get back in the house.

Those are the type of comps that should be used more often. anyone can win a balance type direction task like that.

Also, Cam was a top competitor. Cam might also beat Jag in that same competition

If you have a bunch of free time, here is a 6 hour deep dive with Cory and RHAP