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Several things have happened.

-4 quadrant movies barely exist anymore. That's where your blockbusters are. (Males/Females over 25, under 25). Hitting all 4 is where the money is made. And while there used to be a strong degree of families/couples hitting that 4Q, now it's "eh, that's too expensive and I don't care, see you when you get back honey."

-For a long time, a big chunk of the box office was $20M budgeted movies that made $100M+. Multiples a year, from the comedy and horror space. The Hangover, Bridesmaids, Pitch Perfect, It, Conjuring, you could go on all day.

Now, what used to cost $20M now costs $40M, and you still have to market it.

So all that's moving to Netflix- and Netflix has a pattern down. They don't really have to pay for marketing, which saves a huge chunk. Get in their top 10, and it's generally off to the races.

-Big budget guarantees are going upfront, instead of top dollar gross, so fewer of them are being made. Sinners was a great movie, and good success story. Never should have cost $95M to make. They did it, but there is only so much room in the budget for "auteur" projects. When they very easily could have made 4 movies for that amount, and still made big bucks when they hit the way Sinners did. Instead, they just make fewer of them.
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Mucho austin said:

It is 100% prices for me.

Family if 4 is about $50-60 minimum just for tickets. Then another $60+ for crappy food & snacks

We would much rather spend the $120-140 on a nice dinner.

The value for the price is just not there anymore. Plus I can get an icee and 2 hot dogs at my local shell for $5


This. 100%.

I love going to the movies. But it's not worth spending 100+ for a family of four. Especially when it'll be streaming in 3 weeks.
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I still love going to the theater for the "big" movies - F1, MI9, etc. recently. I am a Cinemark Movie Club member ($12 a month) and always try to see every movie in an XD theater. Have racked up enough monthly credits to rarely have to buy tickets.

Maybe the monthly charge masks some of the cost for us, but I don't ever feel like it's outrageously expensive to go - then again - it's just me and my wife.

I have a good system at home with a 65" TV - sounds really good to me but the screen can't compare to the XD screen.

Hoping I don't ever get to the point where I would rather just watch at home.
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Theaters going the way of malls.
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Costs too much

I have a concussion before the movie even begins bc of the nine trailers I just endured that are produced with so much noise and quick cuts. This is after commercials.
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Sapper Redux said:

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Woke content and deliberate to the point of insane race swapping is in there somewhere. Rank where you see fit.


The only people *****ing about "woke" at this point are conservatives who have built their identity around being "anti-woke." It's pathetic.

Or perhaps they're pissed about the intrusion of politics into entertainment. The theater was once a place where, largely, one could go to get away from whatever real crap is going on in the world. Even for only a couple of hours. But now, you step into a theater and you still see this crap. That is what is pathetic.
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It's going to get worse. A lot of people still go because (insert Nicole Kidman commercial here). My 9/11 yos do not care about going in the slightest.

I'll be the first to btch and moan about 30 minutes of ads/trailers I've already seen online. We showed up earlier than that to stand in line to make sure we weren't stuck in the first rows. But that was like a competitive sport and was somehow fun. My kids will never do that. So the nostalgia factor is going to wear off quickly with what is typically your biggest demographic.
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Once a movie leaves the public consciousness, I often forget about it and never once look for it on a streaming service.

So I miss them in the theater and in streaming.
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Interesting that OP ranked Woke as his number 1 reason on the same thread he started on the Politics board. Why are you afraid to rank it first on the Entertainment board?
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The only movies I can name that were released this summer are Happy Gilmore and The Smurfs. My kids went to the smurfs and Happy was straight to stream. Admittedly, I don't keep up with movie releases really well, but why should I? If there is a big big movie out that is aimed at me, word usually finds me. The fact that I cannot name any movies other than one kids reboot and one straight to streaming should speak volumes.
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I genuinely do not understand how someone can watch television (sports especially), listen to the radio or podcasts, go to the grocery store, visit this board, etc, and not be at least somewhat aware of the biggest movies in theaters at any given time. Do you not do most of those things? Did you type your post from the lone work computer in the Amish community where you live? Otherwise, you're telling me you had zero awareness there was a Superman movie, a Jurassic World movie, an F1 movie, etc in theaters this summer?
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So I was aware those movies all came out, but its not far-fetched none of the ads for those hit. During the summer I don't watch much sports outside of auto racing and occasionally throw on the Astros game. F1 doesn't have ad breaks and the other sports I tend to jump to browsing my phone during ad breaks. As far as the rest of the tv viewing time its usually streaming and half the apps I have are ad free and the ones that do have ads didn't seem to have too many movie trailers. Love Island was the show on the most in our house and none of the blockbuster movies were advertising on Peacock to my knowledge. As far as radio/podcasts, I have a spotify sub so I don't get ads. When I do have the regular radio on, I'm a NPR dork and there are no movie ads there.

We live in this weird time where there are more ads than ever in our face but its so much that we pay to have them go away or just straight up tune them out because its ever constant.
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I hear you in that regard. But even walking through a grocery store there are movie tie-ins all over the place. That, and visiting this board on a semi-regular basis, and doing nothing but reading thread titles, makes it fairly obvious what's in theaters right now.

To be clear, the lack of being able to reach broad audiences like they used to is definitely a problem for movies in general

Still, zero awareness seems next to impossible.
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The only movies I can name that were released this summer are Happy Gilmore and The Smurfs. My kids went to the smurfs and Happy was straight to stream. Admittedly, I don't keep up with movie releases really well, but why should I?
Let's be honest- if you have kids, and the only movie you heard of was the Smurfs- that's because you don't pay attention. Which you already admitted.

If you had kids who saw the Smurfs, but didn't know about Lilo &Stich,
How to Train Your Dragon, Bad Guys 2, etc, all of which were decent movies for what they were, that's just you not paying attention.

How you paid attention enough to send them to the Smurfs, which was an absolute bomb, but none of the others…well…
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We do curb-side pick up for groceries and tend to buy generic so we don't see much of the movie ads that get slapped on cracker or cereal boxes.

But i agree that if you're visiting the Texags entertainment board, you have to be blind to not be aware of some of the summer movie releases. I guess the only excuse I can think of is with so many of the big films being part of established franchises its possible to assume its an old thread bump.
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JamesPShelley said:

Theaters going the way of malls.


Theaters are not going to die. But most newer ones built going forward should probably scale back by about 1/3 - 1/2 on the size of each auditorium. I honestly can't remember the last time I was in a fully sold out showing (probably Endgame), and I live in a decent sized city.
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20ag07 said:

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The only movies I can name that were released this summer are Happy Gilmore and The Smurfs. My kids went to the smurfs and Happy was straight to stream. Admittedly, I don't keep up with movie releases really well, but why should I?
Let's be honest- if you have kids, and the only movie you heard of was the Smurfs- that's because you don't pay attention. Which you already admitted.

If you had kids who saw the Smurfs, but didn't know about Lilo &Stich,
How to Train Your Dragon, Bad Guys 2, etc, all of which were decent movies for what they were, that's just you not paying attention.

How you paid attention enough to send them to the Smurfs, which was an absolute bomb, but none of the others…well…

When I read the titles, it was an 'Oh yeah, forgot about that one' moment. Except the F1. Never heard of that one. I do believe my kids went to most of the movies listed above, but I didn't take them. Their grandfather is a big movie guy and takes them. He is old school and still believes in the magic of Hollywood and all that stuff.
How I missed the ads, I dunno. I watch the Astros and the local news. Also a few shows on stream and an occasional movie on stream. I guess I have grown numb to all other forms of advertising, well, maybe all advertising in general. Keep whacking someone with a stick and eventually they don't feel it anymore. And, all the films listed in this thread, save Happy Gilmore, don't hit home with me much.
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TCTTS said:

I genuinely do not understand how someone can watch television (sports especially), listen to the radio or podcasts, go to the grocery store, visit this board, etc, and not be at least somewhat aware of the biggest movies in theaters at any given time. Do you not do most of those things? Did you type your post from the lone work computer in the Amish community where you live? Otherwise, you're telling me you had zero awareness there was a Superman movie, a Jurassic World movie, an F1 movie, etc in theaters this summer?


I'm 49 yrs old with a 16 yr old son. I legit never watch over the air TV shows, and I'm even souring on a lot of sports. I'll watch some college football and hockey but that's about it. I subscribe to the streaming level of services that includes Ads, but usually scroll on my phone during the Ads.

Are Ads still present in society? Of course, but its increasingly easier to ignore or "skip" them after 5-10 seconds. So don't discount a lower public awareness of movies currently in theaters. Heck, I visit this board basically daily and even I'm caught unaware sometimes when a new release hits theaters.
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I've probably been to more movies this year than any previous 10 years (which admittedly is still not a lot). But then again that's mostly because we got a new IMAX close by that is cheaper than any Cinemark.

Makes me wonder how much of this is due to decline/aging in theater quality overall and lack of capital investment due to the uncertainty over streaming, general economic conditions, etc.

I think the trend of watching at home was bound to happen regardless of COVID - the quality you can get at home vs the cost is just through the roof nowadays. I myself run a 7.2.4 home theater system with a 75" screen and really won't even think about going to a theater unless its a major blockbuster.
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CoppellAg93 said:

I still love going to the theater for the "big" movies - F1, MI9, etc. recently. I am a Cinemark Movie Club member ($12 a month) and always try to see every movie in an XD theater. Have racked up enough monthly credits to rarely have to buy tickets.

Maybe the monthly charge masks some of the cost for us, but I don't ever feel like it's outrageously expensive to go - then again - it's just me and my wife.


I just looked up the prices for my local Cinemark. After fees, it's $64 for a family of four to see a movie tonight. If you go to Alamo, Flix, or something similar...it's $70. And if you buy everyone a soft drink and a single bucket of popcorn, you're in for another $50-$60.

$120-$130 is not a cheap to see a movie.

Yes, you can go to a matinee, and forgo snacks, etc...but if I'm doing that, I can also just stream it in a couple weeks for free.

I still go to the movies, when there is something we want to see in the theater. But it used to be cheap fun. We'd routinely go and see movies we knew nothing about...just because we liked going to the movies. But going every week with the family is pricey now.

Even though I still like going, I completely understand why the attendance is down. There is a lot of competition, that's quite a bit less expensive.
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I'm 49 yrs old with a 16 yr old son. I legit never watch over the air TV shows, and I'm even souring on a lot of sports. I'll watch some college football and hockey but that's about it.
And here is what is going to be the generational difference.

Your 16yo doesn't want to go to the movies with you.

When I was 16, I was there every single Sunday night. We were either trying to treat it as a competitive sport to see how many people we could sneak into a trunk without paying at the drive in, or paying $2 for social hour at a movie we didn't even know what was. And our parents were cool letting us do that if that's were they knew (thought) we were.

Every week.

That created nostalgia. And that's gone now. And now that 2 hours on the weekend is not cheaper than babysitting our younger kids on the weekend, it's not happening anymore.

Generations lost.

And it's not the marketing reach.
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It doesn't have anything to do with the content, but I wouldn't go even if it were free. The entire process is kind of a hassle.
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javajaws said:

I've probably been to more movies this year than any previous 10 years (which admittedly is still not a lot). But then again that's mostly because we got a new IMAX close by that is cheaper than any Cinemark.

Makes me wonder how much of this is due to decline/aging in theater quality overall and lack of capital investment due to the uncertainty over streaming, general economic conditions, etc.

I think the trend of watching at home was bound to happen regardless of COVID - the quality you can get at home vs the cost is just through the roof nowadays. I myself run a 7.2.4 home theater system with a 75" screen and really won't even think about going to a theater unless it's a major blockbuster.

I'm sure theater quality is true for some areas, but if you're in most any suburb you've likely got multiple options for really nice Drafthouse type theaters.

I remember going to the Arclight in LA like 15 years ago and being blown away that we could pick out our seats for the movie we were about to see. Now I don't even think about going to a movie where I don't have reserved seating.
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It's been a few things for me.

  • I am just so tired of superhero movies. It just doesn't do anything for me.
  • My local theater has 28 screens but maybe enough staff to cover 1/4 of that. It feels like an empty wasteland walking in so some of the "magic" is missing.
  • The biggest issue is free time. The past 2 years have been so busy for my wife and I we really haven't had a lot of free time to go see as many movies as we used to.
I still love going to the theater and I really want to go see movies in person. I guess the main factor is that not much of what is being put out excites me enough to go in person. I mean prior to covid we would see 20+ movies a year in theaters.
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The $4.83 "convenience fee" is enough to keep me from going to the theater.

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Lol at pointing to total revenue as your point on the health of an industry. It's like my liberal father always talking up California by pointing out GDP. That tells us nothing about how much actual profit is being taken in. On top of that, it doesn't take into account inflation at all.

But let's just point to the stats we like, because it paints a better picture that I feel more comfortable with.

There are very few movies released that I actually care to see. Hell, the movie that's killing it on views is Kpop demon hunters, which did very well in theaters with their Sing a long version. The actual version is still #2 on Netflix and the sing along version is #7. There is still an audience out there for good stories and fresh visions. Also... guess what? No woke or preachiness. It's amazing how well movies that don't preach woke politics do so well...
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fig96 said:

javajaws said:

I've probably been to more movies this year than any previous 10 years (which admittedly is still not a lot). But then again that's mostly because we got a new IMAX close by that is cheaper than any Cinemark.

Makes me wonder how much of this is due to decline/aging in theater quality overall and lack of capital investment due to the uncertainty over streaming, general economic conditions, etc.

I think the trend of watching at home was bound to happen regardless of COVID - the quality you can get at home vs the cost is just through the roof nowadays. I myself run a 7.2.4 home theater system with a 75" screen and really won't even think about going to a theater unless it's a major blockbuster.

I'm sure theater quality is true for some areas, but if you're in most any suburb you've likely got multiple options for really nice Drafthouse type theaters.

I remember going to the Arclight in LA like 15 years ago and being blown away that we could pick out our seats for the movie we were about to see. Now I don't even think about going to a movie where I don't have reserved seating.

That's actually a good point about reserved seating. Many theaters that HAVE renovated within the last 5 years or so seem to have been part of a move to reserved seating...which also generally means LESS seats. The theaters make the same/more revenue because of increased concessions, but the studios (I assume) don't get a part of that pie - only the ticket sales so they lose out. Those are seats I don't think the studios ever get back.
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TCTTS said:

I genuinely do not understand how someone can watch television (sports especially), listen to the radio or podcasts, go to the grocery store, visit this board, etc, and not be at least somewhat aware of the biggest movies in theaters at any given time. Do you not do most of those things? Did you type your post from the lone work computer in the Amish community where you live? Otherwise, you're telling me you had zero awareness there was a Superman movie, a Jurassic World movie, an F1 movie, etc in theaters this summer?

Seriously?

  • watch television (sports especially) - who watches commercials anymore?
  • listen to the radio - nope
  • or podcasts - my podcasts dont talk movies or have ads (skip ads too)
  • go to the grocery store - I guess this is about magazines at checkout? Most grocery stores in Dallas dont have this anymore, I don't see any promos at trader joes, costco, or central market
  • visit this board - this one has legs
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The talking in theaters has gotten ridiculous. Some dude was damn near narrating one of the Wick movies to his wife sitting next to him. Really irritating
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Sapper Redux said:

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Woke content and deliberate to the point of insane race swapping is in there somewhere. Rank where you see fit.


The only people *****ing about "woke" at this point are conservatives who have built their identity around being "anti-woke." It's pathetic.


And shareholders. Lots and lots of shareholders.
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Captain Winky said:

Interesting that OP ranked Woke as his number 1 reason on the same thread he started on the Politics board. Why are you afraid to rank it first on the Entertainment board?


It was my number 1. I am not afraid to admit it. Other people might not agree.

Is there actually something to fear from the entertainment board that people need to be made aware of?
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Murder Hornet said:

The talking in theaters has gotten ridiculous. Some dude was damn near narrating one of the Wick movies to his wife sitting next to him. Really irritating


That was me. She is blind.
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javajaws said:

fig96 said:

javajaws said:

I've probably been to more movies this year than any previous 10 years (which admittedly is still not a lot). But then again that's mostly because we got a new IMAX close by that is cheaper than any Cinemark.

Makes me wonder how much of this is due to decline/aging in theater quality overall and lack of capital investment due to the uncertainty over streaming, general economic conditions, etc.

I think the trend of watching at home was bound to happen regardless of COVID - the quality you can get at home vs the cost is just through the roof nowadays. I myself run a 7.2.4 home theater system with a 75" screen and really won't even think about going to a theater unless it's a major blockbuster.

I'm sure theater quality is true for some areas, but if you're in most any suburb you've likely got multiple options for really nice Drafthouse type theaters.

I remember going to the Arclight in LA like 15 years ago and being blown away that we could pick out our seats for the movie we were about to see. Now I don't even think about going to a movie where I don't have reserved seating.

That's actually a good point about reserved seating. Many theaters that HAVE renovated within the last 5 years or so seem to have been part of a move to reserved seating...which also generally means LESS seats. The theaters make the same/more revenue because of increased concessions, but the studios (I assume) don't get a part of that pie - only the ticket sales so they lose out. Those are seats I don't think the studios ever get back.
The CEO at my old company knew the founders of Drafthouse, and one day we were for some reason talking about movies.

He made a really interesting comment about their business model, something to the effect of "They figured out that you're not a movie theater, you're a restaurant that shows movies".
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I am not at all "anti-woke". But I go to movies to get away from that whole debate and all other things political, not fall deeper into it. Sometimes it feels like movie makers just can't comprehend that basic fact.
But that's nothing new, I think my head is still sore from getting beaten over and over again with the environmental theme of Avatar for instance. And I'm probably as big a pro-environment person as almost anyone here. But not having to think about your worries or concerns for two hours is what movies are supposed to be for, not having them reinforced. And for different people those concerns are different things, just make a fun entertaining movie that leaves the divisive stuff behind, that's all anyone is asking of you.
Jmo.
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As much as I love reserve seating, it's probably another reason why the theaters are having decreased revenues.

It used to be you blocked off time for the movie and if you showed up and it was full, you'd just see another movie. Sometimes you'd just double feature it and buy a ticket for whatever was playing and then buy a later ticket for the movie you cane to see. There was a lot of spillover in seeing movies you didn't go specially to go see.

Now, you look at your phone, and if it's not available or you can't find seats next to your friends, it's a no go.
 
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