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I could. I could spend the next hour linking videos of many others both left and right of center lamenting how disgusted they have been by all the people in their lives who they would have never thought could be so disgusting about someone they don't know.

I could do all that work... but will it convince you? I doubt it. We all read that quote from Charlie. One side sees it as a call to violence and the other sees it as a call for holding power accountable for their actions. Why don't you tell me: If we both read that and see COMPLTELY opposite messages, are we going to agree on defining the "far left" and the "general left".

You are not interested in a good faith argument, so I will not waste the next couple hours of my day giving you examples.

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Really rich you saying that "mainstream left' is celebrating this yet claim I'm the one in bad faith.

I'm not asking for yahoo's on social media. Find me a prominent person of the left of consequence that has celebrated this.

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Lathspell said:

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I could. I could spend the next hour linking videos of many others both left and right of center lamenting how disgusted they have been by all the people in their lives who they would have never thought could be so disgusting about someone they don't know.

I could do all that work... but will it convince you? I doubt it. We all read that quote from Charlie. One side sees it as a call to violence and the other sees it as a call for holding power accountable for their actions. Why don't you tell me: If we both read that and see COMPLTELY opposite messages, are we going to agree on defining the "far left" and the "general left".

You are not interested in a good faith argument, so I will not waste the next couple hours of my day giving you examples.

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Really rich you saying that "mainstream left' is celebrating this yet claim I'm the one in bad faith.

I'm not asking for yahoo's on social media. Find me a prominent person of the left of consequence that has celebrated this.

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Wow...

First of all, I never claimed a certain number or majority of "prominent" persons on the left. You just decided to add that qualification; I'd guess because you realized I'm right so had to try and change the argument. Of course most of them are holding it in because they are afraid of the consequences of doing so. Even still, there were MANY who hadn't had a chance to carefully select the words they would need to use in the coming days, and WERE let go from several news outlets because how they reacted demonstrated an attitude that this heinous act was justified.

My entire point is that it's the mainstream left. The people you work with, who treat you at hospitals, who handle your money, who teach your kids, etc. These are the people who are celebrating all over the country. These are the people I care about. I don't care if Dan Rather had celebrated Charlie's death. Dan isn't the crazy dude who's going to take all that hateful rhetoric and let it radicalize him until he takes a rifle to kill an innocent man.

This experience is anecdotal, amongst so many people I both know in real life and that are personalities of varying sizes in the zeitgeist. I have many videos of contect creators ON THE LEFT of center who are appalled at the number of people in their circle are coming out of the woodwork to celebrate this.

It's everywhere. If you choose not to see it, I can't help you and no words or links I could provide you will change your mind. But as Charlie like to say, we don't agree but at least we understand each other. And I completely understand your side's thinking.

this is 1000% bad faith argument. You and I can exchange posts for weeks straight of one side saying something outrageous on social media. That is a fools errand. You used the term 'mainsream left' not me. Show me 'mainstream left'....idiots on social media don't count. I need something of consequence.

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Mamdani has the overwhelming support of the Democratic Party? LOL. I guess I must have missed almost every key Democratic leader endorsing him

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So far:


U.S. Senators

• Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
• Chris Van Hollen (D-MD)
  
  
  

U.S. Representatives

• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY)
• Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
• Nydia Velzquez (D-NY)
• Adriano Espaillat (D-NY)
• Pat Ryan (D-NY)
• Pramila Jayapal (D-WA)
• Ro Khanna (D-CA)
• Jamie Raskin (D-MD)
  
  
  

Former U.S. Officials

• Jamaal Bowman (former Rep., D-NY)
  
  
  

New York State Officials

• Kathy Hochul (Governor)
• Antonio Delgado (Lt. Governor)
• Letitia James (Attorney General)
• Tom DiNapoli (Comptroller)
• Andrea Stewart-Cousins (State Senate Majority Leader)
• Carl Heastie (Assembly Speaker)
• State Senators: Brad Hoylman-Sigal, John Liu, Julia Salazar, Jabari Brisport, Kristen Gonzalez, Gustavo Rivera, Michael Gianaris, Zellnor Myrie, Luis Seplveda, Jos Serrano, Nathalia Fernandez, Liz Krueger, Jamaal Bailey (also Bronx Democratic Party Chair)
• Assembly Members: Micah Lasher, Emily Gallagher, Phara Souffrant Forest, Marcela Mitaynes, Karines Reyes, Claire Valdez, Sarahana Shrestha, Khaleel Anderson, Robert Carroll, Jessica Gonzlez-Rojas, Brian Cunningham, Steven Raga, Manny De Los Santos, Bobby Carroll, George Alvarez, Jordan Wright, Harvey Epstein, Al Taylor, Tony Simone, Emerita Torres, Landon Dais, Rodneyse Bichotte Hermelyn (also Brooklyn Democratic Party Chair)
  
  
  

New York City Officials

• Brad Lander (Comptroller)
• Jumaane Williams (Public Advocate)
• Mark Levine (Manhattan Borough President)
• Antonio Reynoso (Brooklyn Borough President)
• Donovan Richards (Queens Borough President)
• Vanessa Gibson (Bronx Borough President)
• Adrienne Adams (City Council Speaker)
• City Council Members: Chi Oss, Justin Brannan, Shaun Abreu, Carmen De La Rosa, Pierina Sanchez, Jennifer Gutirrez, Sandy Nurse, Lincoln Restler, Alexa Avils, Tiffany Cabn, Shahana Hanif, Erik Bottcher, Crystal Hudson, Rita Joseph, Julie Won, Oswald Feliz, Diana Ayala, Kevin Riley
  
  
  

Other Notable Democrats

• Bill de Blasio (former NYC Mayor)

And Bernie Sanders is not on this list. He has shown his support too. So clearly this AI list is not complete.

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I'm not asking for yahoo's on social media. Find me a prominent person of the left of consequence that has celebrated this.

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Keith Olbermann.

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OK, now we're getting somewhere. Olbermann is a tool of the highest order and pretty much a shock jock at this point in his career, if he even has one. I couldn't even tell you what he does for a living other than throw out crap on social media. I think he's a loser.

Macarthur said:

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Macarthur said:

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I'm not asking for yahoo's on social media. Find me a prominent person of the left of consequence that has celebrated this.

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Keith Olbermann.

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OK, now we're getting somewhere. Olbermann is a tool of the highest order and pretty much a shock jock at this point in his career, if he even has one. I couldn't even tell you what he does for a living other than throw out crap on social media. I think he's a loser.

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Great. So now we are going to argue about "prominent" figure of the left.

This is Lathspell's point, entirely.

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this is 1000% bad faith argument. You and I can exchange posts for weeks straight of one side saying something outrageous on social media. That is a fools errand. You used the term 'mainsream left' not me. Show me 'mainstream left'....idiots on social media don't count. I need something of consequence.

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I already explained what I meant in my post. Just like I said you would, you read it, changed what it meant in your head, and argued back in bad faith. I even called you out for changing the qualifications, which you did not respond to.

I even qualified what I mean when I said "social media". I didn't say random nuts who i've never heard of. I literally said people iv'e known my entire life. This is the exact same thing I'm hearing from others on both the left and right. But, as I said, it won't be good enough for you. You will just gaslight by ignoring me, as you have, and claim I'm talking about some mythical "social media" where there are only 4 left wing lunatics in the world who are apparently celebrating Charlie's death. If I argue with that, then i'm sure you'll change your argument to one of actual total numbers, so then I am going to have to stop what I'm doing and go start counting.

You are brainwashed.

Don't worry, it's what your side does all the time. We are used to it, we have just lost our patience for it. We don't just shake our heads anymore, softly whisper, "bless his heart..." to ourselves and move on. Why don't we do this anymore? Because your side has decided violence is the best solution for those of us with basic Christian beliefs.

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Macarthur said:

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Macarthur said:

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I'm not asking for yahoo's on social media. Find me a prominent person of the left of consequence that has celebrated this.

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Keith Olbermann.

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OK, now we're getting somewhere. Olbermann is a tool of the highest order and pretty much a shock jock at this point in his career, if he even has one. I couldn't even tell you what he does for a living other than throw out crap on social media. I think he's a loser.

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Great. So now we are going to argue about "prominent" figure of the left.

This is Lathspell's point, entirely.

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I admitted Olbermann is a tool and should be shunned. There's not much need to split hairs over just how big of a voice he is. I would put him in that same category of Fuentes.

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Macarthur said:

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this is 1000% bad faith argument. You and I can exchange posts for weeks straight of one side saying something outrageous on social media. That is a fools errand. You used the term 'mainsream left' not me. Show me 'mainstream left'....idiots on social media don't count. I need something of consequence.

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I already explained what I meant in my post. Just like I said you would, you read it, changed what it meant in your head, and argued back in bad faith. I even called you out for changing the qualifications, which you did not respond to.

I even qualified what I mean when I said "social media". I didn't say random nuts who i've never heard of. I literally said people iv'e known my entire life. This is the exact same thing I'm hearing from others on both the left and right. But, as I said, it won't be good enough for you. You will just gaslight by ignoring me, as you have, and claim I'm talking about some mythical "social media" where there are only 4 left wing lunatics in the world who are apparently celebrating Charlie's death. If I argue with that, then i'm sure you'll change your argument to one of actual total numbers, so then I am going to have to stop what I'm doing and go start counting.

You are brainwashed.

Don't worry, it's what your side does all the time. We are used to it, we have just lost our patience for it. We don't just shake our heads anymore, softly whisper, "bless his heart..." to ourselves and move on. Why don't we do this anymore? Because your side has decided violence is the best solution for those of us with basic Christian beliefs.

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You're in a echo chamber, man.

They both have right at 1m followers on X.

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Macarthur said:

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Macarthur said:

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I'm not asking for yahoo's on social media. Find me a prominent person of the left of consequence that has celebrated this.

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Keith Olbermann.

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OK, now we're getting somewhere. Olbermann is a tool of the highest order and pretty much a shock jock at this point in his career, if he even has one. I couldn't even tell you what he does for a living other than throw out crap on social media. I think he's a loser.

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Great. So now we are going to argue about "prominent" figure of the left.

This is Lathspell's point, entirely.

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I admitted Olbermann is a tool and should be shunned. There's not much need to split hairs over just how big of a voice he is. I would put him in that same category of Fuentes.

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ROFL... holy crap... you cannot make this up.

Yet another example of why coexisting with some people is so hard. Olbermann is LITERALLY an example of legacy and mainstream media. He is in no way a fringe actor in the way Fuentes is. I already rejected Destiny as an example, because I definitely view him as equally fringe. But Olbermann? Just because he's an idiot, doesn't mean you get to explain him away as fringe.

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Dude, Olberman has been fired at least 4 times for saying outrageous crap. Just off the top of my head he's been fired from ESPN, MSNBC, Fox Sports net. Just because he worked for legacy media mean he's one of them now.

Lathspell said:

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Macarthur said:

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Macarthur said:

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I'm not asking for yahoo's on social media. Find me a prominent person of the left of consequence that has celebrated this.

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Keith Olbermann.

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OK, now we're getting somewhere. Olbermann is a tool of the highest order and pretty much a shock jock at this point in his career, if he even has one. I couldn't even tell you what he does for a living other than throw out crap on social media. I think he's a loser.

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Great. So now we are going to argue about "prominent" figure of the left.

This is Lathspell's point, entirely.

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I admitted Olbermann is a tool and should be shunned. There's not much need to split hairs over just how big of a voice he is. I would put him in that same category of Fuentes.

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ROFL... holy crap... you cannot make this up.

Yet another example of why coexisting with some people is so hard. Olbermann is LITERALLY an example of legacy and mainstream media. He is in no way a fringe actor in the way Fuentes is. I already rejected Destiny as an example, because I definitely view him as equally fringe. But Olbermann? Just because he's an idiot, doesn't mean you get to explain him away as fringe.

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I havent heard Olbermann's name in years and i would say I'm on the left side of the political spectrum these days. He is former mainstream media but these days just another random voice on the internet. He has no influence on anyone under 40.

I think you are also missing my point. I NEVER equated "mainstream" with "prominent voices". That was the other poster gaslighting or trying to move the goal posts on the argument.

My ENTIRE point was the scary thing about all of this is the amount of this disgusting rhetoric coming from so many "normal" lefties. The people I deal with during my daily life. I'm not worried about Olbermann going postal with a rifle. Are you telling me that, when I see registered nurses on various platforms celebrating the death of a husband and father because he held Christian beliefs, I shouldn't be concerned about being treated in the hospital by someone like that? God forbid she walks into the room while I'm talking to a family member about current events.

I consider "mainstream" to be synonymous with "a large sampling size" of a group. I'm also not trying to make a statistical statement by saying X% need to support a certain idea for it to be in the mainstream, therefore I will tally up the exact number of every person in the world on the left and then divide by the exact quantity of posts on social media to equate to exactly 50% or higher. I'll admit this is all anecdotal, but it's anecdotal from EVERYONE i've heard talk about this on both the left and the right.

But, alas. We are back to the point that the left will never concede this point, no matter how much evidence I were to provided.

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this is 1000% bad faith argument. You and I can exchange posts for weeks straight of one side saying something outrageous on social media. That is a fools errand. You used the term 'mainsream left' not me. Show me 'mainstream left'....idiots on social media don't count. I need something of consequence.

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Essentially every politician has come out saying something to the effect of "the needless killing of Charlie Kirk was horrible and there's no room for political violence in our country BUT......."

It's a Hallmark of insincerity. Everything a politician says before the word but should be completely ignored.