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Death spiral of Hollywood

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double aught
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Isn't he "the hardest working man in oil" from years back?
Hardcore Greg
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Cliff.Booth said:

Seven Costanza said:

DEI has certainly had an effect on the content that is produced, but at the end of the day the question is "are you primarily not going to the theater because of the content, or for other reasons?"

So I gave myself a few questions:

1.) Alternative Entertainment Options: If I woke up tomorrow and our entertainment world was exactly the same as the early 90s (no internet, no smart phones, no Youtube, no streaming services, 25" CRT televisions, no pause/DVR, etc.), would I go to the theater to see the content that is being put out right now?

I'm not sure, but I think I might.

2.) The content itself: If content very similar to what I liked in the 90s/early 2000s was being released in theaters today, would I go to the theater to see it?

Hell no. There are too many other options and going to the theater is a huge hassle.

3.) Cost: If it were literally free for me to go to the theater whenever I wanted, would I often go?

Hell no. In fact, I'm not sure how much you would have to pay me to go, aside from certain "big event" type movies.




Even with inflation, streaming, and degenerates talking or on their phones, all being factors, I think a lot of people, myself for sure, don't go nearly as often because of how few movies warrant it. We are lucky to get a few proper blockbusters a year that aren't dumb reboots, spinoffs, and sequels. The comedies you'd have wanted to go see with your friends? Gone, can't punch down on anyone. The romcoms your wife would talk you into seeing? Gone, Hollywood doesn't like stories about relatable cis couples who love each other. The family movies you were excited to take your kids to? Mostly gone, almost all come along with some woke nonsense you don't want to expose your kids to. The 90's to early 2000's was quite a run. The people in the industry today don't want and couldn't produce a return to that kind of content. So, you'll either take in far less media than you did, or you'll lap up the slop you're offered.

Well said. The really good theater-worthy movies still exist, they are just much fewer and further between.
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Apache
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Quote:

how many years has it been since the last very good actual war movie?!

aside from Top Gun Maverick which is not really a war movie.

then look back in history and see how many GREAT war movies there have been.

so what has changed!?!

Hollywood is fine with making THOR 24 and Fast and Furious 37

but something like:

Bridge on the River Kwai

Saving Private Ryan

The Longest Day

Gettysburg

Glory

Big Red One

Red Dawn

Thin Red Line

How about...
Warfare?
Hacksaw Ridge?
1917?
Fury?
Dunkirk?
All Quiet on the Western Front?
Or perhaps Sisu if you want to see some blood?
FL_Ag1998
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Fury is a really good addition to that list.
LMCane
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Apache said:

Quote:

how many years has it been since the last very good actual war movie?!

aside from Top Gun Maverick which is not really a war movie.

then look back in history and see how many GREAT war movies there have been.

so what has changed!?!

Hollywood is fine with making THOR 24 and Fast and Furious 37

but something like:

Bridge on the River Kwai

Saving Private Ryan

The Longest Day

Gettysburg

Glory

Big Red One

Red Dawn

Thin Red Line

How about...
Warfare?
Hacksaw Ridge?
1917?
Fury?
Dunkirk?
All Quiet on the Western Front?
Or perhaps Sisu if you want to see some blood?


Hacksaw Ridge was literally a decade ago.

did All Quiet on the Western Front even play in movie theaters?! or straight to streaming.
Cliff.Booth
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Its a damn shame it didn't play on more screens. Very limited and then straight to Netflix. Superior to about 95% of all the crap that makes it to wide release these days.
Cliff.Booth
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Studio execs hearing this pitched and lacking the spine to say "absolutely ****ing not" is what has Hollywood in this sad state.

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Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

fig96 said:

Hollywood being generally risk averse is what's killed the "great" movies that people are mourning, studios aren't willing to fund anything that might remotely be a risk which often results in bland, homogenized content. Also why you tend to see more interesting things on streaming these days.



This is what doesnt make any sense in this discussion. Shoving LGBTYNHDHIOD garbage that is clearly intentionally forced into the story, but adds nothing to it, down everyone's throats is "safe?" WTF? That's ridiculous. Shouldnt NOT pushing all of this crap onto viewers, which very few people want to see specifically because it often does nothing to add to the stories, be what is "safe" in this equation? If thats the actual logic that show and movie makers are using then there's literally no hope for the entire damn industry, and the faster it dies the better off all of us will be.

Yeah, lets just play it safe by adding a bunch of LGBTQ+ stuff to our Pixar kids movies. Lets race or gender swap beloved characters because we are so risk averse. Lets shoe horn a Mary Sue type character into our male dominated genre films to be good stewards of our shareholders' money.

If that is indeed their calculus, they have no concept of what "risk" means.
Apache
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This is the question you asked:
Quote:

how many years has it been since the last very good actual war movie?!

I listed off 7 good movies in the last 10 years.... as good a run as ever been produced.
Warfare is one of the top war movies EVER.
Lathspell
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Exactly. And Dunkirk was 9 years ago, but still within that timeframe we're discussing. Such a great movie.

But anyone talking about war movies as being such a big deal, while never having seen warfare, is crazy.
The Ex Officio Director
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All Quiet on the Western Front was a Netflix streaming movie. Never went to big screen. Would love to see it on the big screen. Another war movie that gets no love and I'm not sure why, is A Bridge Too Far. Love that movie especially the music score.
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Decisions decisions.
Cliff.Booth
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It did go to a few screens. I saw it at a historical theater in Dallas, it was amazing. But, a sad reality is that if it is a) a foreign language movie with subtitles b) about WWI c) an intentionally depressing anti-war movie that doesn't involve a Rambo-type character doing insane **** and walking away from explosions in slow-mo, a large chunk of Americans will not care to see it. It was a powerful adaptation of the novel and really well-shot, but I get why it was never going to make a ton of money as a wide release.
The Ex Officio Director
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Cliff.Booth said:

It did go to a few screens. I saw it at a historical theater in Dallas, it was amazing. But, a sad reality is that if it is a) a foreign language movie with subtitles b) about WWI c) an intentionally depressing anti-war movie that doesn't involve a Rambo-type character doing insane **** and walking away from explosions in slow-mo, a large chunk of Americans will not care to see it. It was a powerful adaptation of the novel and really well-shot, but I get why it was never going to make a ton of money as a wide release.

I stand corrected. It was a beautifully made movie. Hopefully it will appear on the big screen one day. Saving Private Ryan will be on the big screen come June 2nd and 5th at Regal in Spring. The opening scene to All Quiet with little to no talking mixed with the sinister music playing, just drew me in that the1930 and 1970 adoption couldn't do. Not saying they were badly made, both are my favorite and each show something different that other doesn't. The scene were the Germans are taking the uniforms off the dead, washing them, stitching them up and reissuing them to the new recruits, shows the horror and brutality that WW1 truly was.
Can't decide if I want to be cute & cuddly, or go blow some sh*t up.
Decisions decisions.
uujm
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Not sure where to post this.

Supposedly Paramount confirmed the Star Trek United series with Scott Bakula at Cinemacon yesterday. I am only seeing Billie Eilish and Street Fighter posts on their twitter page so not sure. Also they are saying the Star Trek movie from John Francis Daley and Johnathan Goldstein is confirmed.

It will be interesting to see what direction they go in with these. I would think United would keep a similar feel to Enterprise. The movie from Daley and Goldstein should be fun if it is like their other movies.
 
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